Bledsoe and Suns reach 5 year, $70 million deal

Post #81 » by **jazzfan1971** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:30 pm

I think it's a decent signing, assuming he stays healthy.

That's a big assumption though.

With Dragic and Thomas (and the rookie) on the team I was expecting a S&T to be honest. Must not have been any tempting offers out there.

If I'm Greg Monroe I'm firing my agent yesterday.

RoyalMajesty · Post #82 » by **RoyalMajesty** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:31 pm

KingCuban wrote:What are Phoenix doing?

You just gave Isiah Thomas 7m a year. Dragic will need an extension soon.

He has to be on the block as soon as possible.

PG=Goran Dragic (34) & Isiah Thomas (14 @ PG & 14 @ SG)
SG=Eric Bledsoe (34)

LloydFree · Post #83 » by **LloydFree** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:31 pm

Bledsoe should call Greg Monroe and thank him for screwing Detroit. I'm sure that move had an effect on how they proceeded.

aIvin adams · Post #84 » by **aIvin adams** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:31 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:Seems Phx was waiting to see if anyone would actually offer Bledsoe a max type deal.

Minny apparently paved the way.

why would that Minny story make a difference? they couldn't make an offer without the Suns' cooperation. so i don't think that narrative makes any sense.

Chuck Everett · Post #85 » by **Chuck Everett** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:35 pm

Hope Bledsoe stays healthy. My only reason for not wanting to pay him this is his damn playing style coupled with a missing meniscus. I wouldn't have paid it though. Good luck Bledsoe and Phoenix.

DoubleLintendre · Post #86 » by **DoubleLintendre** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:38 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
Flying Colors wrote:What type of production minimum do we need to see in order for this to be consider a fair contract?

I still don't get this contract. How did Curry get 11 when he was deserving of max because of injuries, and Bledsoe, who doesn't deserve the max (showed way less than Curry at the time) and also has injuries, gets 14.

Being a Warriors fan, I saw every ankle roll Curry had. It was happening so often it become a (temporary) chronic issue. Everyone lost confidence in his ankles. It was the way he got injured that made his injuries seem an irreparable part of his future.

You never knew how or when he was going to roll his ankle next. The worst part of it was that Curry was getting hurt without contact, he was injuring himself making simple dribbling moves. The league has had its share of great players ruined by ankle injuries, like Grant Hill. I don't think Bledsoe's injury history had the infamous reputation of Curry's glass ankles.

LloydFree · Post #87 » by **LloydFree** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:39 pm

Good for him, if he can get it. But its better than 60 million for 4 years to Gordon Haywood.

mg · Post #88 » by mg » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:41 pm

Where's Suns fan now?

I thought they wouldn't bid against themselves and that Bled was damaged goods after getting his meniscus removed? So Minny, a team over the cap, supposedly thinks he's worth a max deal and Phoenix caved.

aIvin adams · Post #89 » by **aIvin adams** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:43 pm

mg wrote:Where's Suns fan now?

I thought they wouldn't bid against themselves and that Bled was damaged goods after getting his meniscus removed? So Minny, a team over the cap, supposedly thinks he's worth a max deal and Phoenix caved.

i don't think this is what happened, for the reason i stated above.

i'm super happy about this contract. very glad Bledsoe will be back in Phoenix next year, and hopefully for a while.

a lot of Suns fans got sore because there were no negotiations, and they thought that was Bledsoe's/Rich Paul's fault. whatever happened, it's over, and it ended before training camp so-- no harm, no foul.

this is the type of fair deal most Suns fans were hoping for.

Post #90 » by **Thugger HBC** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:43 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Seems Phx was waiting to see if anyone would actually offer Bledsoe a max type deal.

Minny apparently paved the way.

why would that Minny story make a difference? they couldn't make an offer without the Suns' cooperation. so i don't think that narrative makes any sense.

there's no doubt Minny's interest sparked this. unless you believe all of a sudden Phx now wants to give Bledsoe 25 mil more than what they offered a while back.

Post #91 » by **kingkirk** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:59 pm

RoyalMajesty wrote:PG=Goran Dragic (34) & Isiah Thomas (14 @ PG & 14 @ SG)
SG=Eric Bledsoe (34)

They also drafted Tyler Ennis, which now looks like a strange move. Could have used the pick on a big.

Unless EB exclusively plays at the 2, they will have a log jam of sorts.

YouTube · Post #92 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:07 am

When it comes to Bledsoe the Suns cant win in the public opinion, can they??? We have been bashed on these boards for the past month now about how dumb were are to not pay Bledsoe the money. About how our offer to him was crap. About how we are going to lose our best player as he takes his QO. How we have no leverage.

Now all i hear is how we are dumb to not stick to our guns. How dumb we are to pay Bledsoe what he got. How dumb we are to give up all our leverage in the last moments.

So people thought our original offer of 4/$48M (12M per season) was lowballing him. We up it $2M a season ($14M) and add on a 5th year and all of a sudden we are crazy and stupid and Bledsoe is soooooooo not worth it? Please! Thats a way better deal for the Suns than what Parsons/Hayward got. Parson starts out at almost $15M and ends up at $16M+!

Like i said, i have seen the Suns bashed to death this past month on these boards for not paying Bledsoe. We finally do, and way less then the 5/$84M he was asking for, and we continue to get bashed. $2M more a season and we get bashed. Whatever. Suns retain one of the best backcourts in the league and FINALLY all these horrible Bledsoe trade threads can stop!

Post #93 » by **kingkirk** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:07 am

aIvin adams wrote:this is the type of fair deal most Suns fans were hoping for.

Tbh, I think you guys gave more than a fair deal to him with 4 yr / 48m.

That was a sound deal imo.

If things we’re getting tough, maybe push that up to 4 yr / 52m, raising his salary from 12m annually to 13m, but I don’t like that 5th year as well as the jump to 14m annually.

If he didn’t have injury concerns then fair enough, but that meniscus issue could become bigger down the line.

Dragic will also want a similar deal, if not more.

Are the Suns prepared to pay 14m to both their starting guards and 7m to their back up? That’s potentially 35m on 3 guards on the roster. It’s ok now whilst you have others on cheaper deals, particularly the Morris twins and Plumlee.

If the plan for the Suns is to keep him long term, I don’t get it. If the plan is to resign him now and move him at a later date so you don’t lose him for nothing, then I can understand this move.

Post #94 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:09 am

bondom34 wrote:Random, but looked it up using ASPM/VORP, and his estimated value last season was 8.8 mil.

Does that look at totals or averages?

YouTube · Post #95 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:09 am

mg wrote:Where's Suns fan now?

I thought they wouldn't bid against themselves and that Bled was damaged goods after getting his meniscus removed? So Minny, a team over the cap, supposedly thinks he's worth a max deal and Phoenix caved.

See my post above!

LloydFree wrote:Good for him, if he can get it. But its better than 60 million for 4 years to Gordon Haywood.

Exactly!

Dupp · Post #96 » by **Dupp** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:11 am

Wow terrible.

Poor poor poor.

Post #97 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:12 am

Thugger HBC wrote:
aIvin adams wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:Seems Phx was waiting to see if anyone would actually offer Bledsoe a max type deal.

Minny apparently paved the way.

why would that Minny story make a difference? they couldn't make an offer without the Suns' cooperation. so i don't think that narrative makes any sense.

there's no doubt Minny's interest sparked this. unless you believe all of a sudden Phx now wants to give Bledsoe 25 mil more than what they offered a while back.

That is, in fact, what they all appear to believe.

Ettorefm · Post #98 » by **Ettorefm** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:13 am

Suns fan here also, don't know where you're going with this 'where are the suns fans?'
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I hope the Suns FO have a plan for him, probably to put him on the trading black in the future. I trust McDonough 100%, so I'm trying not to care that nuch about paying close to max for bledsoe

Blackification · Post #99 » by **Blackification** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:15 am

Capn'O wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
aIvin adams wrote:

why would that Minny story make a difference? they couldn't make an offer without the Suns' cooperation. so i don't think that narrative makes any sense.

there's no doubt Minny's interest sparked this. unless you believe all of a sudden Phx now wants to give Bledsoe 25 mil more than what they offered a while back.

That is, in fact, what they all appear to believe.

The suns have been trying to negotiate with them all off season this had nothing to do with minny. Its the first time bledsoe sat down to talk

Post #100 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:16 am

Capn'O wrote:This is almost exactly what I predicted in the previous thread. Once Minny came in with their trade offer, the Suns had no leverage whatsoever as it was out there that teams were willing to go max if they could. This year they can't. Next year they would. 4/48 wasn't cutting it. Bledsoe could wait and get paid next season.

I think this comes in a little below the max, no?

Suns were offering 12 but would have matched a 4/63. 5/70 (or 14 a year) is better than 4/63. Max is 5/84 or an avg of 16.8. So it's closer to Suns original offer than max. Bledsoe's camp moved more than Phx did on a per year basis. If you're going to lock a guy up at 14 a year, better to get that fifth year.