[Woj] George Karl wants to trade DeMarcus Cousins

Post #81 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:46 am

What a mess.

There are very few players who should be given the level of power and deference some of you think Cousins should have. You can't be a successful TEAM if everyone is tiptoeing around one mercurial guy, I don't care how good you think he is.

You've got to a build an organization from the top down, with ownership and management on the same page.

Unfortunately, the Kings have completely failed to do that. So you've got mismanagement and discord in the front office and a moody star player who sort of got along with exactly one of his head coaches so far.

I feel for Kings fans. Truly.

TKainZero · Post #82 » by **TKainZero** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:47 am

Stauskus?

Wonderllama · Post #83 » by **Wonderllama** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:51 am

To think the Knicks could have been in on this. Sigh

RollingWave · Post #84 » by **RollingWave** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:53 am

There would be nothing more hilarious than if they traded Lawson and Faried for Cousins

Jkam31 · Post #85 » by **Jkam31** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:56 am

Wonderllama wrote:To think the Knicks could have been in on this. Sigh

In on what? False hope
DMC vs Karl hmmm tough decision

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Post #86 » by **bondom34** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:56 am

StocktonShorts wrote:What a mess.

There are very few players who should be given the level of power and deference some of you think Cousins should have. You can't be a successful TEAM if everyone is tiptoeing around one mercurial guy, I don't care how good you think he is.

You've got to a build an organization from the top down, with ownership and management on the same page.

Unfortunately, the Kings have completely failed to do that. So you've got mismanagement and discord in the front office and a moody star player who sort of got along with exactly one of his head coaches so far.

I feel for Kings fans. Truly.

I don't see how you put anything on Cousins. He's had a few coaches, most of whom were fired because they were bad coaches (Westphal, Smart), then Malone (Cousins liked him), now Karl, who seems to be a snake of great proportions.

AustinPowers · Post #87 » by **AustinPowers** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 6:56 am

I love Sac fans overrating their "power". They're not gonna walk into the State Senate and affect the passage of a bill just as monkey jamming their keyboard isn't gonna determine whether they trade Cousins or not.

Haha, Monta got traded for an injured Bogut and the fans booed the owner off the stage. 3 years later they say "Oops, sorry 'bout that" and figure out which championship gear they wanna buy.

(Yes, Boogie is a better player than Monta. Just referring to the perceived power fans think they have.)

rpa · Post #88 » by **rpa** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:00 am

AustinPowers wrote:I love Sac fans overrating their "power". They're not gonna walk into the State Senate and affect the passage of a bill just as monkey jamming their keyboard isn't gonna determine whether they trade Cousins or not.

Haha, Monta got traded for an injured Bogut and the fans booed the owner off the stage. 3 years later they say "Oops, sorry 'bout that" and figure out which championship gear they wanna buy.

(Yes, Boogie is a better player than Monta. Just referring to the perceived power fans think they have.)

2 big differences:
1) Monta was never as good of a player as Cousins is right now
2) The Warriors were taking a longterm approach to winning. They traded Monta for an (arguably) better play with injury issues and the ability to keep their pick. The Kings aren't thinking longterm (if the Woj article is to be believed); they'd be trying to trade Cousins for mediocre pieces to make a run for the playoffs ASAP.

The problem is that the Vivek doesn't want to open up his shiny, new stadium with a losing team. He wants to open it up with a "winner". Problem is, taking a short term approach (and merely going for a playoff birth and calling that "winning") is going to get him (and the team) absolutely obliterated by the fans.

Post #89 » by **Young_Star11** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:11 am

Sacramento are just a complete and utter mess.

bleeds_purple · Post #90 » by **bleeds_purple** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:12 am

bondom34 wrote:
StocktonShorts wrote:What a mess.

There are very few players who should be given the level of power and deference some of you think Cousins should have. You can't be a successful TEAM if everyone is tiptoeing around one mercurial guy, I don't care how good you think he is.

You've got to a build an organization from the top down, with ownership and management on the same page.

Unfortunately, the Kings have completely failed to do that. So you've got mismanagement and discord in the front office and a moody star player who sort of got along with exactly one of his head coaches so far.

I feel for Kings fans. Truly.

I don't see how you put anything on Cousins. He's had a few coaches, most of whom were fired because they were bad coaches (Westphal, Smart), then Malone (Cousins liked him), now Karl, who seems to be a snake of great proportions.

Exactly. This guy has been through more **** in his short career than any player I can ever remember.

Thrown under the buss by the media before he even got in the league.
Ownership change.
New head coach virtually every year. With associated change of style.
New point guard more than every year. Along with other massive roster turnovers.

I can't believe I'm saying it but for his sake I hope he does get traded. This **** franchise doesn't deserve a player like him. This whole fiasco just goes to show how much ownership matters. If you have a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) owner who doesn't know **** about **** he's going to run your franchise into the dirt.

AustinPowers · Post #91 » by **AustinPowers** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:12 am

rpa wrote:
AustinPowers wrote:I love Sac fans overrating their "power". They're not gonna walk into the State Senate and affect the passage of a bill just as monkey jamming their keyboard isn't gonna determine whether they trade Cousins or not.

Haha, Monta got traded for an injured Bogut and the fans booed the owner off the stage. 3 years later they say "Oops, sorry 'bout that" and figure out which championship gear they wanna buy.

(Yes, Boogie is a better player than Monta. Just referring to the perceived power fans think they have.)

2 big differences:
1) Monta was never as good of a player as Cousins is right now
2) The Warriors were taking a longterm approach to winning. They traded Monta for an (arguably) better play with injury issues and the ability to keep their pick. The Kings aren't thinking longterm (if the Woj article is to be believed); they'd be trying to trade Cousins for mediocre pieces to make a run for the playoffs ASAP.

The problem is that the Vivek doesn't want to open up his shiny, new stadium with a losing team. He wants to open it up with a "winner". Problem is, taking a short term approach (and merely going for a playoff birth and calling that "winning") is going to get him (and the team) absolutely obliterated by the fans.

1) I said that in my original post

2) The Warriors struck out on Deandre Jordan the previous summer, even "wasted" their amnesty on Charlie Bell to increase their offer. They settled on Bogut at the deadline. They had a vision, particularly a defensive minded C. Maybe Karl and Vlade have a vision. Not sure what that is, but maybe.

Obliterated by the fans = monkey jamming your keyboards to little or no effect.

They'll sell tickets to the new stadium for the first couple years just due to the novelty.

davey_wavy · Post #92 » by **davey_wavy** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:12 am

The coachs job is to be a leader for his guys.

If he or she feels there is a problem on the team that could potentially set them back, they must step up and alleviate the issue.

Sounds like most of you have never been in a position of leadership before. This is why you don't understand what Karl is trying to do

RIPskaterdude · Post #93 » by **RIPskaterdude** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:13 am

You don't alleviate the issue by causing players to take sides against your star player

bleeds_purple · Post #94 » by **bleeds_purple** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:18 am

Yea man because leadership really means starting a **** mutiny amongst the people your leading.

Post #95 » by **Domejandro** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:20 am

StocktonShorts wrote:What a mess.

There are very few players who should be given the level of power and deference some of you think Cousins should have. You can't be a successful TEAM if everyone is tiptoeing around one mercurial guy, I don't care how good you think he is.

You've got to a build an organization from the top down, with ownership and management on the same page.

Unfortunately, the Kings have completely failed to do that. So you've got mismanagement and discord in the front office and a moody star player who sort of got along with exactly one of his head coaches so far.

I feel for Kings fans. Truly.

I actually feel DeMarcus has been rather professional about the whole ordeal; George Karl is simply going to every extreme to trade DeMarcus and he is really coming across as the aggressor in all of this.

rpa · Post #96 » by **rpa** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:26 am

AustinPowers wrote:Obliterated by the fans = monkey jamming your keyboards to little or no effect.

They'll sell tickets to the new stadium for the first couple years just due to the novelty.

I think you underestimate how passionate, smart, and organized the Kings fan base is. This is a fan base that was able to block the sale of the Kings after it had already been agreed upon. Moreover, we aren't talking about a big city here; we aren't talking about some place like NYC, LA, or Chicago where there are enough transplants and casual fans to fill a stadium due to its novelty.

If the team prioritizes winning 40 games and/or getting swept as an 8th seed over possibly contending, they're going to get eviscerated.

A good way to view the Kings is as a college team in a college town.

davey_wavy · Post #97 » by **davey_wavy** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:49 am

bleeds_purple wrote:Yea man because leadership really means starting a **** mutiny amongst the people your leading.

Not his fault the s*** got leaked out. Plus, it's common for people in the workplace to sometimes take the hiring or firing of someone alittle personal. You call that a "mutiny" though?

DreDay · Post #98 » by **DreDay** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:51 am

If they don't want Cousins, this is the perfect time to sell high.

Of course, why the **** wouldn't you want him though? Karl is a moron.

bleeds_purple · Post #99 » by **bleeds_purple** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:53 am

davey_wavy wrote:Not his fault the s*** got leaked out. Plus, it's common for people in the workplace to sometimes take the hiring or firing of someone alittle personal. You call that a "mutiny" though?

Mutiny wrote:an open rebellion against the proper authorities

WOJ wrote:Karl has been recruiting Kings vice president of basketball operations Vlade Divac and multiple players on the Kings' roster to unite with him in making the case to owner Vivek Ranadive that Cousins needs to be traded, league sources said.

Karl and members of the Kings front office have made it clear to opposing team executives and coaches that they hope to soon have a formal ownership authorization to actively shop Cousins, sources said. Kings officials, including Karl, have discussed potential deals informally with other teams, but no other front office has felt comfortable that any deal can happen

Post #100 » by **Prez** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:00 am

At what point do we stop throwing around the tired "Cousins is an immature headcase" narrative, and instead acknowledge that the Kings have screwed him over for 5 years now? No star player in the league besides Lebron and probably healthy Durant would have done **** with what Cousins has had to deal with on the Kings.

Cousins is a clear top 10 player and would WRECK the league on a competent franchise with quality talent around him and a stable coaching staff. How anyone could blame him 100% for the mess that is Sacramento basketball right now is beyond me.