Al Horford - sneaky dirty?

[Mojo Amok]

You arent wrong, but its all about perception. Bowen played 16 years and if you try and find incidents of him actually hurting someone, its surprisingly rare considering alot would say hes one of the dirtiest defenders of all time.

[Curmudgeon]

Morris stepped on Horford's foot, not the other way around. Anyone who has played knows about those sprains which come from landing on the side of your foot. Was Morris properly taped? Bet he wasn't.

[jbk1234]

Morris stepped on Horford's foot, not the other way around. Anyone who has played knows about those sprains which come from landing on the side of your foot. Was Morris properly taped? Bet he wasn't.

This is an example of a non serious argument.

[KHRICH]

Morris stepped on Horford's foot, not the other way around. Anyone who has played knows about those sprains which come from landing on the side of your foot. Was Morris properly taped? Bet he wasn't.

Is this a troll post? him being taped has nothing to do with him not having landing space... I feel I fell for the bait though

[SMTBSI]

It's interesting to me, how KG was generally likable in Minny, but once he came to Boston, he was suddenly a "fake tough guy".
Horford was generally likable in Atlanta, but now on coming to Boston, perception is possibly shifting to him being dirty?

I admit one-and-a-half data points aren't much to go on, but I'm going to keep my eye on the pattern.

[Tai]

With Horford and Olynyk, Celtics are developing a reputation for being a dirty team that tries to injure other players.

I assume there was some irony injected into this lol, in which case I agree.

So that all said:

The injury on TJ Ford was very unfortunate, no two ways about it. But it's already been acknowledged it was 10 years ago, and now the closest thing after that was maybe last year? I mean, not nothing, but now Horford is, even "sneaky" dirty? Feels like a leap.

I find it interesting Horford's incident with Delly is categorized the same way, considering it was Delly that had already hurt Korver if I remember correctly, and was trying to hurt Horford on the very same play in the video. I feel it's more likely Horford retaliated in self-defense as well as fending up for Korver.

Considering people have complained about other players on the Celtics getting free throws on crappy calls, I'm bothered by the idea that contesting jumpers puts you at risk of being called a dirty player if a player lands on you wrong. No one likes seeing anyone get hurt (especially when it means others will devalue your team winning playoff games), but it's a fine line to walk, so it figures OP was willing to walk it cause of Horford's apparent history with the Wizards. No crime there, but both on defending a jumpshot, and now that's how we define "sneaky dirty"?

[heatwillbeback]

You don't come down under a shooter.

Was it intentional though? No reason to assume so with Horfords history. A few other incidents and then maybe it can be inferred.

[Tai]

Yes. He is the dirtiest guy on court by far.

Oh, wait...

What a dumb response. Dirty isnt pushing a player to get a rebound. Thats simply physical basketball and a foul, no matter the team. The Ford, Delly, Morris, and Beal plays all have the same thing in common... Zero effect on the outcome of the play itself, besides injuring the player.

"Pushing" a player, huh?

Guess Celtics fans aren't the only ones wearing rose-colored glasses here. See how easy it is?

[blazeyo]

You don't come down under a shooter.

Was it intentional though? No reason to assume so with Horfords history. A few other incidents and then maybe it can be inferred.

But he has a history...

[Tai]

You arent wrong, but its all about perception. Bowen played 16 years and if you try and find incidents of him actually hurting someone, its surprisingly rare considering alot would say hes one of the dirtiest defenders of all time.

What's that technique called where the fighters glide through the air in Asian movies? I feel like Bowen hung out with them a little.

[Curmudgeon]

Morris stepped on Horford's foot, not the other way around. Anyone who has played knows about those sprains which come from landing on the side of your foot. Was Morris properly taped? Bet he wasn't.

This is an example of a non serious argument.

Of course it is a serious argument. Players come down on the side of their foot all the time. It happens. There was absolutely nothing dirty about Horford's play and Horford has never been known as a dirty player. If anything, he and Olynyk have been criticized for being too soft. The sprain could have happened in rebounding action or in a dozen other ways.

But if this kind of silly argument makes losing feel better, go right ahead.

[Trippinskarlo]

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I guess you gotta be dirty when you're as soft as he is. It's embarrassing what a **** player he is.

[heatwillbeback]

You don't come down under a shooter.

Was it intentional though? No reason to assume so with Horfords history. A few other incidents and then maybe it can be inferred.

But he has a history...

I saw a few videos on the first page. Over a 10 or so year career that is nothing. I still give him the benefit.

Don't get me wrong, he was not right on this play. It's against the "code" of playing basketball- you give a shooter room to land. I'm just not convinced it's intentional.

[TMU]

It's hard to evaluate the intent of the player from some of those videos, but the one of Dellavenova was clearly a cheap foul and out of frustration. We have seen worse, and certainly not as dirty as that innocent jackass in Chicago.

[pcbothwel]

Yes. He is the dirtiest guy on court by far.

Oh, wait...

What a dumb response. Dirty isnt pushing a player to get a rebound. Thats simply physical basketball and a foul, no matter the team. The Ford, Delly, Morris, and Beal plays all have the same thing in common... Zero effect on the outcome of the play itself, besides injuring the player.

"Pushing" a player, huh?

Guess Celtics fans aren't the only ones wearing rose-colored glasses here. See how easy it is?

How are you missing the point... Pushing, pulling, etc. while getting a rebound may be too physical and a foul, but its occurring while attempting to make a legit play. Getting under a player after they release a jump shot has no effect on whether the shot goes in or not, it simply hurts the player. The elbow to Delly wasnt in an attempt to get the ball, the ball was already gone. It was done to hurt delly...

Again, how do you not see the difference?

[blitz41]

You arent wrong, but its all about perception. Bowen played 16 years and if you try and find incidents of him actually hurting someone, its surprisingly rare considering alot would say hes one of the dirtiest defenders of all time.

This is kinda what i mean, i tried finding stuff, theres this kick, 3 or so times he undercut Vince carter, and he did it to kobe a few times. Its not like he hurt 6 people a year, seems like he hurt one or two more people than horford has so far.

I dont think horford is dirty player, but hes getting into that draymond area where even if its an accident, you are losing the perception game.

[Tai]

What a dumb response. Dirty isnt pushing a player to get a rebound. Thats simply physical basketball and a foul, no matter the team. The Ford, Delly, Morris, and Beal plays all have the same thing in common... Zero effect on the outcome of the play itself, besides injuring the player.

"Pushing" a player, huh?

Guess Celtics fans aren't the only ones wearing rose-colored glasses here. See how easy it is?

How are you missing the point... Pushing, pulling, etc. while getting a rebound may be too physical and a foul, but its occurring while attempting to make a legit play. Getting under a player after they release a jump shot has no effect on whether the shot goes in or not, it simply hurts the player. The elbow to Delly wasnt in an attempt to get the ball, the ball was already gone. It was done to hurt delly...

Again, how do you not see the difference?

Horford was trying to affect a jumpshot; am I wrong to assume the argument you're making ties into that, and also assuming you're on the OP's side, why it's being called "sneaky" dirty in the first place? Telling me Horford shouldn't have had his foot under Morris is one thing, but clearly you feel Horford justified it because he was trying to defend a jumpshot, so oops his foot ended up under Morris. Still, how is that less a legit play on the ball itself than Gortat throwing a player to the ground with both hands for a rebound? That's not even including Pachulia being thrown into Durant's leg and Durant now has to sit a few weeks.

On Delly, I thought it was said well enough by everyone that he was basically the flavor of the month on "dirty player?" around the time of that video. Again, Delly had hurt Korver in some way, tried to hurt Horford in the same series, and Horford retaliated. Was it the best look for Horford? Perhaps not, but it was clear he was provoked directly and to a degree indirectly, as opposed to what's being implied in the Morris injury.

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[zronv7]

lmao how is that "sneaky dirty" he's just playing defense, give me a break

cry babies gonna cry

[CelticsPride18]

Well if he is doing it with purpose why would he hurt Morris and not Wall or Beal ?????