Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East?

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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#81 » by ITYSL » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:56 pm

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SRS still higher than the Celtics. One afternoon game isn't very telling of head-to-head strength. Utah has been pretty damned good so far and the Cavs got off to a horrible start. And in their last 10 games Utah still has a stronger net rating, so why not? Last 10 Raptors net rating is 7.3, Celtics is 2.1. That's not very good for a #1 seed. Shut down the calls to "shut it down." If the Celtics are a head above the rest of the East, why can't they dominate teams like those teams in the West that have similar records?


Celtics are 11-4 against teams with a winning record. Raptors are 8-7. But sure, net rating or whatever.

Raptors have faced 7 western conference playoff teams on the road(all except MIN). Boston only faced one (SAS)....and lost. Context matters. Raptors whipped up on Houston....let's see Boston do they same when they travel there.

Not sure how that's relevant or if it's even accurate (OKC is in the 8 spot now and the Celtics beat them on the road) but OK. I agree, context does matter. Beating Houston on the road was impressive. Beating the Lakers, Kings, Grizzlies and Suns on the road was not. So the Raptors are 3-3 on the road against WC playoff teams, while the Celtics are 1-1. :)
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#82 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:56 pm

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Baller1234a wrote:Yeah they sure beat on the rockets but it was without CP3 lol.


Celtics beat Nuggets without Jokic/Millsap/Barton, the Sixers without Embiid, and that's without doing a shred of research


The Celtics have also beaten the Sixers with Embiid in a game where he shot 4-16 and that's without doubt a shred of research.


OK? I was refuting the notion that TOR's W over HOU didn't count because they didn't have CP3. A win is a win, including the one you're speaking of. That just happened to be the worst games of basketball ever witnessed, by both teams. But hey at least Embiid had the rust excuse...
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#83 » by PierceFan4ever » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:58 pm

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Celtics beat Nuggets without Jokic/Millsap/Barton, the Sixers without Embiid, and that's without doing a shred of research


The Celtics have also beaten the Sixers with Embiid in a game where he shot 4-16 and that's without doubt a shred of research.


OK? I was refuting the notion that TOR's W over HOU didn't count because they didn't have CP3. A win is a win, including the one you're speaking of. That just happened to be the worst game of basketball ever witnessed, by both teams. But hey at least Embiid had the rust excuse...


And I'm pointing out that you're making excuses to your post. Either way, both you and the previous poster were making excuses.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#84 » by HOOOMAN » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:00 pm

3rd..cleveland is another level and boston has the advantage in coaching
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#85 » by KnightofHyrule » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:06 pm

Gary Cokeman wrote:All that and they'll still clam up in the playoffs.

Enjoy:

Now, show me a highlight video of a Knicks player making a impact in the playoffs, or a lowlight video of a Knicks player "clamming up"...
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#86 » by lars_rosenberg » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:06 pm

Imho they are the best team in the east.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#87 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:06 pm

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PierceFan4ever wrote:
The Celtics have also beaten the Sixers with Embiid in a game where he shot 4-16 and that's without doubt a shred of research.


OK? I was refuting the notion that TOR's W over HOU didn't count because they didn't have CP3. A win is a win, including the one you're speaking of. That just happened to be the worst game of basketball ever witnessed, by both teams. But hey at least Embiid had the rust excuse...


And I'm pointing out that you're making excuses to your post. Either way, both you and the previous poster were making excuses.


I was doing the exact opposite. A BOS fan told a TOR fan their W over HOU was invalid because they didn't have CP3; I provided more than one example of Celtic W's against teams missing their best player. It's an equivalency, not an excuse.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#88 » by OzCastiel » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:07 pm

I love raptor fans using their fluke win over houston without chris paul as some type of transcendent win. Chris Paul would be the best player on the raptors and it's not even close.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#89 » by KnightofHyrule » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:12 pm

OzCastiel wrote:I love raptor fans using their fluke win over houston without chris paul as some type of transcendent win. Chris Paul would be the best player on the raptors and it's not even close.

"Fluke" lol? Stop hating. The Raptors are 18-8. Raptors and Rockets split the season series every year. Don't be disrespectful.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#90 » by Baller1234a » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:14 pm

SuperDario wrote:
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SuperDario wrote:
Celtics beat Nuggets without Jokic/Millsap/Barton, the Sixers without Embiid, and that's without doing a shred of research


The Celtics have also beaten the Sixers with Embiid in a game where he shot 4-16 and that's without doubt a shred of research.


OK? I was refuting the notion that TOR's W over HOU didn't count because they didn't have CP3. A win is a win, including the one you're speaking of. That just happened to be the worst games of basketball ever witnessed, by both teams. But hey at least Embiid had the rust excuse...

Yeah it was a win but it shouldn’t be used as a measuring stick. It sounds like...
“We beat the Rockets without CP3 on the road.
And the only way you could say you are a better team is if you beat the rockets on the road with CP3”
That type of logic is wrong IMO
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#91 » by The_Hater » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:14 pm

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Gary Cokeman wrote:All that and they'll still clam up in the playoffs.

Enjoy:


You do realize that both Derozan and Lowry have NOT been very good during their entire playoff careers, right?
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#92 » by The_Hater » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:15 pm

KnightofHyrule wrote:
OzCastiel wrote:I love raptor fans using their fluke win over houston without chris paul as some type of transcendent win. Chris Paul would be the best player on the raptors and it's not even close.

Don't be disrespectful.


Irony at it's finest from a Raptor fan who trolls the fans of other teams himself....
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#93 » by Baller1234a » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:16 pm

SuperDario wrote:
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OK? I was refuting the notion that TOR's W over HOU didn't count because they didn't have CP3. A win is a win, including the one you're speaking of. That just happened to be the worst game of basketball ever witnessed, by both teams. But hey at least Embiid had the rust excuse...


And I'm pointing out that you're making excuses to your post. Either way, both you and the previous poster were making excuses.


I was doing the exact opposite. A BOS fan told a TOR fan their W over HOU was invalid because they didn't have CP3; I provided more than one example of Celtic W's against teams missing their best player. It's an equivalency, not an excuse.

I never said that/meant it like that. As I explained in my last post I’m arguing that the win over the rockets should not be used as a measuring stick
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#94 » by KnightofHyrule » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:26 pm

The_Hater wrote:
KnightofHyrule wrote:
Gary Cokeman wrote:All that and they'll still clam up in the playoffs.

Enjoy:


You do realize that both Derozan and Lowry have NOT been very good during their entire playoff careers, right?

Of course. They go completely missing in some games. But then in other games they don't.

The common idea is that DeRozan and Lowry can't preform in the playoffs at all. This is inaccurate. They learn as the series goes on, which is evident because their worst games happen earlier in the series and their best games happen later in the series. As I told someone before, I'm happy it ain't the other way around.

DeRozan and Lowry need to win 4 games before the other team does. They've done it. Thrice. Only the Cavs, Warriors and Spurs have done it equal or more playoff game wins AND series wins over the past 2 years. But dudes make it seem as if the Raps get swept in the first round every year.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#95 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:31 pm

Baller1234a wrote:
SuperDario wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:
The Celtics have also beaten the Sixers with Embiid in a game where he shot 4-16 and that's without doubt a shred of research.


OK? I was refuting the notion that TOR's W over HOU didn't count because they didn't have CP3. A win is a win, including the one you're speaking of. That just happened to be the worst games of basketball ever witnessed, by both teams. But hey at least Embiid had the rust excuse...

Yeah it was a win but it shouldn’t be used as a measuring stick. It sounds like...
“We beat the Rockets without CP3 on the road.
And the only way you could say you are a better team is if you beat the rockets on the road with CP3”
That type of logic is wrong IMO


OK, I see what you're saying now and that's a fair point. It was a great win by Toronto but obviously beating an elite team doesn't translate to being an elite team.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#96 » by KnightofHyrule » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:31 pm

The_Hater wrote:
KnightofHyrule wrote:
OzCastiel wrote:I love raptor fans using their fluke win over houston without chris paul as some type of transcendent win. Chris Paul would be the best player on the raptors and it's not even close.

Don't be disrespectful.


Irony at it's finest from a Raptor fan who trolls the fans of other teams himself....

It isn't irony. An 18-8 playoff team deserves more respect than getting their wins called "flukes". Meanwhile, fans of a team that hasn't made the playoffs in years shouldn't spew inaccuracies to simply hate.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#97 » by JunkYardDog6ix » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:36 pm

KnightofHyrule wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
KnightofHyrule wrote:Enjoy:


You do realize that both Derozan and Lowry have NOT been very good during their entire playoff careers, right?

Of course. They go completely missing in some games. But then in other games they don't.

The common idea is that DeRozan and Lowry can't preform in the playoffs at all. This is inaccurate. They learn as the series goes on, which is evident because their worst games happen earlier in the series and their best games happen later in the series. As I told someone before, I'm happy it ain't the other way around.

DeRozan and Lowry need to win 4 games before the other team does. They've done it. Thrice. Only the Cavs, Warriors and Spurs have done it equal or more playoff game wins AND series wins over the past 2 years. But dudes make it seem as if the Raps get swept in the first round every year.

Relax man ... the beat the one man show pacers , the heat with a washed up D-Wade and no whiteside, and a young bucks team. Such a bad look for raptors fans, a few meaningless playoff series and you're acting like they're the kings of the eastern conference.
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Post#98 » by Lauri_Legend » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:43 pm

Cavs Boston and it doesn't after that. They'll be sitting at home in May anyway.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#99 » by KnightofHyrule » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:50 pm

JunkYardDog6ix wrote:
KnightofHyrule wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
You do realize that both Derozan and Lowry have NOT been very good during their entire playoff careers, right?

Of course. They go completely missing in some games. But then in other games they don't.

The common idea is that DeRozan and Lowry can't preform in the playoffs at all. This is inaccurate. They learn as the series goes on, which is evident because their worst games happen earlier in the series and their best games happen later in the series. As I told someone before, I'm happy it ain't the other way around.

DeRozan and Lowry need to win 4 games before the other team does. They've done it. Thrice. Only the Cavs, Warriors and Spurs have done it equal or more playoff game wins AND series wins over the past 2 years. But dudes make it seem as if the Raps get swept in the first round every year.

Relax man ... the beat the one man show pacers , the heat with a washed up D-Wade and no whiteside, and a young bucks team. Such a bad look for raptors fans, a few meaningless playoff series and you're acting like they're the kings of the eastern conference.

No I'm not. It's for the sake of comparison. While the Raptors were doing everything you said, the entire Eastern Conference outside of Cleveland were somehow doing worse, yet they are put ahead almost every year.

THAT'S the point. Every year people gas the Wizards and then they flop. Every year Bucks are dangerous and then they flop. I don't wanna hear that noise anymore.
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Re: Are the Raptors currently the 2nd best team in the East? 

Post#100 » by 711takeover » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:53 pm

KnightofHyrule wrote:
Gary Cokeman wrote:All that and they'll still clam up in the playoffs.

Enjoy:

Now, show me a highlight video of a Knicks player making a impact in the playoffs, or a lowlight video of a Knicks player "clamming up"...


Wait, are you really trying to say that DeRozan hasn't come up short historically in the playoffs? His numbers decrease in the playoffs from the regular season. Has he had good games? Yes. Has he also had atrocious games? Yes. Please just admit that he hasn't lived up to the hype in the post season and hope he proves everyone this year

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