Bucks frustrated with Jabari Parker?

[fansinceforever]

It's s easy to identify people who literally never watch bucks games or have watched the last 2 playoff games. The "Giannis needs to make his team better and that's why the Bucks suck" argument is so lazy and untrue it's not even worth breaking it down.

If you look at the Bucks players around Giannis, their coaching situation and still come to the conclusion that Ben Simmons would have them in the 7th seed, with a winning record then you and I just aren't watching the same sport.

If you're talking about the Bucks' issues and you're not beginning with defending the three, rebounding and shooting/making more threes then just stop there because you don't understand our issues.

[HurricaneKid]

Wow I have been saying this for years. Once Giannis really started to come into his own during Parker's rookie season, people who thought it was going to be some 1A/1B thing between Parker and Giannis were horribly misguided. I can only imagine how many trade opportunities that would've greatly improved the Bucks' supporting cast were turned down based on some reasoning like "he's the #2 pick and was on the cover of SI in high school and gets buckets."

Even drafting Embiid over Parker was a pretty common-sense move at the time, but it seemed like ownership just wanted to sell tickets by going with a guy from Chicago (when the Bulls aren't awful you get some 50-50 crowds at Bucks home games against them) who was available to play immediately.

This is a COMPLETE rewriting of history.

Embiid had a broken foot, stress fractures in his back, and had bombed the few physicals he showed up for so bad it was the stuff of legend and half the league redlined him. He had never played a full HS season, didn't play the full college season and was going to have to sit out his rookie season.

The question in the draft was how far he was going to fall. He had enormous potential but there was no indication he was ever going to be able to physically handle the NBA grind. The expectation was that he was fall to 6 or 7, depending on if Randle was going to be drafted ahead of him. Hinkie surprised a lot of people taking him at 3. NO ONE thought there was any chance he was going to go higher than that.

No offense, but you seem to be COMPLETELY rewriting history... Embiid was locked in as a top three pick. The question was whether he'd go 1, 2 or 3 because of his injury history.

With that being said the Bucks should not be faulted for taking Jabari as he was also a tremendous prospect at the time... The Bucks had to decide on whether to gamble on Jabari or Embiid's injury history and they guessed wrong. It happens.

There was a link posted earlier with 33 mock drafts don't the week before the draft. Here is the Embiid breakdown:

1st - 3
2nd - 1
3rd - 12
4th - 5
5th - 2
>5 - 10

The ESPN coverage itself said he was likely to fall to 6. If the mean and median are both higher than 3 he was anything but a lock to be #3. Vonleh was mocked higher in 27%+ mocks. Lock my ***.

He was definitively the #1 prospect even after the back fractures. But when he had the broken foot that was going to stop him from playing on top of that, his stock dropped notably. Bath and foot problems are death knells for bigs. When wind of his bad physicals spread and his agent stopped allowing them there was substantial conjecture about his future. Now, in retrospect Philly had probably made him the promise at 3 but no one knew it at the time.

[BadWolf]

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This is getting ugly really quick

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Prunty didn't say 'Try harder, suck less, pretend to play defense'? He didn't get it?

[johanliebert]

Jabari can't guard anyone in this series. He's too slow for Brown and Tatum and he's not strong enough to deal with Horford or Morris.

There are a lot of Bucks players who "don't wanna be here" not just Parker.

I don't think it's ever a good idea to go into a postseason with an interim head coach and I don't think this roster enjoys playing with each other.

Giannis is an incredible individual player but he needs to start doing that superstar thing where you "make the guys around you better." He tries to do it all on is own.

Then Prunty benches guys like Brogdon after a few turnovers instead of showing trust in his roster and building their confidence.

This is basically a one man team with a sub par coach, is what I'm trying to say. They have the talent to play as a team but they just don't do it.

Sorry I just totally started rambling lol. Back to Parker... he can't guard anyone so his value is not as high as he thinks it is.

Beogdon is 25 there’s no excuses for to’s

[3Diamantidis]

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This is getting ugly really quick

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Prunty didn't say 'Try harder, suck less, pretend to play defense'? He didn't get it?

Man, i don't understand what jabari is doing.
Does he really think that if he goes public with this, he will gain understanding or sympathy?
Does he really think that saying that in order to play on this team, players must be "on coach side" while he is not on that side, will help him at summer?
I haven't seen another guy torpedoing his future like this, this season.

[PhilBlackson]

Jabari needs to head home to CHI.

Said it in another thread but if he can stay healthy n have his own team I really think he can have an "Oladipo" like jump in his career n much like Victor, he suffers from having another primary ballhandler with high usage being the focal point. Him & Giannis' games just don't compliment each other because they both need the ball in their hands to be effective.

If I'm the Bulls I offer him a big money 2 year contract (maybe 3yr with the final being a TEAM option) then use him as the focal point in the offense with Markannen & LaVine being used more in the spot up n hope to draft Bamba as the defensive anchor.

[kuclas]

Issue is will Jabari end up like nerlen Noel. Where he turns down 4 years 60-70 million thinking he’s worth more.

It’s a dangerous game Parker is playing by complaining. He’s coming off his 2nd acl injury.

He may be out of Milwaukee. But not sure what he is worth.

Doesn’t look like he wants to stay in Milwaukee.

[The_Hater]

Parker seems more worried about how all this is going to effect his free agent payday then playing defense and doing the little things to help the Bucks win. Everything coming out of his mouth is about me me me.

[LightTheBeam]

Jabari needs to head home to CHI.

Said it in another thread but if he can stay healthy n have his own team I really think he can have an "Oladipo" like jump in his career n much like Victor, he suffers from having another primary ballhandler with high usage being the focal point. Him & Giannis' games just don't compliment each other because they both need the ball in their hands to be effective.

If I'm the Bulls I offer him a big money 2 year contract (maybe 3yr with the final being a TEAM option) then use him as the focal point in the offense with Markannen & LaVine being used more in the spot up n hope to draft Bamba as the defensive anchor.

Jabaris injuries will hold him back from ever having that jump.

That said if I was him, I would look at Oladipo and Randle and see both of them got shredded in the summer and went on to have by far their best years.

[LightTheBeam]

Issue is will Jabari end up like nerlen Noel. Where he turns down 4 years 60-70 million thinking he’s worth more.

It’s a dangerous game Parker is playing by complaining. He’s coming off his 2nd acl injury.

He may be out of Milwaukee. But not sure what he is worth.

Doesn’t look like he wants to stay in Milwaukee.

Anyone who offers Jabari 4/70 will regret it by Christmas. I've said this for years, guy is extremely overrated, often injured, and not in the best shape for a basketball player.

[Duke4life831]

I've been a Jabari fan and defender. Per 36 this year in his return he averaged 19/7/3 on 48/38/74 shooting. I have no doubt he can be a 21/7/3 on solid efficiency as soon as next year with a healthy off-season. I think he clearly has a chance to be a special offensive player.

But man I have no clue what he's been doing lately. Even before the playoffs he did some interview and he basically kept saying them and I, when talking about the team. It was so obvious he didn't feel apart of the team and reading the article it sounded like a dude talking about his former team, not his current team.

Then the playoffs start and in the really close game 1. it was very obvious to me that whenever the Bucks made a big play and they would show the bench celebrating, there was Jabari sitting on the bench with no emotion. Then game 2 was as bad of a showing of effort I have seen in a playoff game since Rondo in Dallas.

I get he wants a fresh start, but man he is handling this as poorly as anyone could handle it and has blown any small chance he had at a sizeable contract this summer.

[HurricaneKid]

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For the record, the Bucks are -60.5/100 possessions with Jabari on the floor FOR THE SERIES. He walks back on defense and has been positively HORRIBLE. And he is "deserving" of more PT???

You are DESERVING of the Rondo treatment. Send him home without a playoff share.

[Yoshun]

I'm a Jabari fan, but man, he needs to just not talk. The last thing you want to do if you're in his position is to start complaining.

[Rapaz]

I support Jabroni Parker

[Deezzraptors]

Who would pay him if he leaves bulls?

[NapoleonII]

Thank you Jabari for making it crystal clear that you don't deserve anything near 4/40 or 4/50 that you might have gotten had you kept your diva entitlement bottled up.

You just saved many a franchise from 8th seed mediocrity and the "star" perception you have of yourself while being perfectly okay with horrible defense and being one more ACL-tear away from China.

[Duke4life831]

By being such a negative on and off the court right now he has drastically hurt any chances at getting a sizable contract. I get it, he is making it clear that he doesn't want to be there anymore. But his best way to make sure he would be gone would've been to continue his hot play offensively into these playoffs and really up the chance that one of these teams offers him a sizeable contract and know that the Bucks really have no interest in matching anything like that with him.

But now with how he has been playing and how attitude it has killed any chances of that. So now he's probably only going to get team friendly offers and even with the obvious friction between him and the team, the Bucks would be dumb not to much a team friendly deal. Even if they have plans just to flip him for an asset later on.

[bisme37]

Beogdon is 25 there’s no excuses for to’s

I'm not excusing the turnovers. I'm saying Brogdon is clearly the third most competent Buck in the series and he needs to play and have the support of his teammates and coaches.

In game 1 Shane Larkin had 4 turnovers in like 5 first half minutes, and then Stevens put him back in the 2nd half and he played some terrific D, and then completely torched the Bucks in the 2nd half of game 2. And Stevens did nothing but compliment him after both games. This is how you win in the playoffs, you instill confidence in your roster from 1-15. Brogdon is on the team and does a lot of stuff well. You need those guys.

[The_Hater]

I've been a Jabari fan and defender. Per 36 this year in his return he averaged 19/7/3 on 48/38/74 shooting. I have no doubt he can be a 21/7/3 on solid efficiency as soon as next year with a healthy off-season. I think he clearly has a chance to be a special offensive player.

But man I have no clue what he's been doing lately. Even before the playoffs he did some interview and he basically kept saying them and I, when talking about the team. It was so obvious he didn't feel apart of the team and reading the article it sounded like a dude talking about his former team, not his current team.

Then the playoffs start and in the really close game 1. it was very obvious to me that whenever the Bucks made a big play and they would show the bench celebrating, there was Jabari sitting on the bench with no emotion. Then game 2 was as bad of a showing of effort I have seen in a playoff game since Rondo in Dallas.

I get he wants a fresh start, but man he is handling this as poorly as anyone could handle it and has blown any small chance he had at a sizeable contract this summer.

Well said. This sums everything up perfectly.

The thing is, I’m not sure who’s going to give him that big payday he wants? The injuries and now the attitude and effort are bad enough but now that defensive analytics exist, every GM in the league knows how terrible he is on defense.

What is there about the Jabari package that would entice any GM of to take a $100 million chance on him? He needs a dumb, desperate GM with cap space.

[RiotPunch]

If I'm a Bucks fan, I'd like to do a Jabari S&T for Dwight-type. The Hornets get a young guy with promise in Jabari and unload Dwight. Dwight inside would really help them man that paint.

And have him clog the middle mucking up things for Giannis? And trade a young potential all-star for a player with a few years left? Absolutely no way.

If the rumours are true about the toxicity as it pertains to his jealousy with Giannis?

Yep, nothing toxic about Dwight!