2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread

reignfire · Post #81 » by **reignfire** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 4:20 am

Trae Young.

He's gonna average 20 ppg on 60%TS, 6 apg, 4rpg. Team won't win much though.

He'll have a high TO rate as well as a rookie.

PhilBlackson · Post #82 » by **PhilBlackson** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 6:18 am

Unless Bamba just looks like a ridiculous steal n is developed way ahead of schedule by working with Hanlan then I think this will be between Trae and Ayton as an early guess.

Trae's in the perfect situation to just pile up numbers and Ayton is too good offensively to go unnoticed. I think Doncic will look good too but I don't think he'll put up the big numbers despite helping his team win more kind of like Tatum this past year. I like Robinson as a sleeper to make some noise this season too and Bagley will shut people up with the assertion he will be a bust just because he plays for the Kings.

dorkestra · Post #83 » by **dorkestra** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 7:31 am

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23967447/robert-williams-absent-boston-celtics-first-summer-league-practice

So is this the reason Robert Williams dropped? Maturity? I'm rooting for the dude - I don't like that he has a target on his back so quickly by the likes of ESPN.

Stevens later noted, "I think timeliness is important and, you know, if that's the last time then that's good for all of us."

I wonder how Allen Iverson would have handled Coach Stevens.

PhilBlackson · Post #84 » by **PhilBlackson** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 7:36 am

dorkestra wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23967447/robert-williams-absent-boston-celtics-first-summer-league-practice

So is this the reason Robert Williams dropped? Maturity? I'm rooting for the dude - I don't like that he has a target on his back so quickly by the likes of ESPN.

Stevens later noted, "I think timeliness is important and, you know, if that's the last time then that's good for all of us."

I wonder how Allen Iverson would have handled Coach Stevens.

Must be. This kid is acting like a complete bonehead so far.

Fortunately for Stevens, Williams is nowhere near an Iverson level talent. If he doesn't smarten up he can find himself buried in the G-League and forgotten about really quickly.

dorkestra · Post #85 » by **dorkestra** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 7:39 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
dorkestra wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23967447/robert-williams-absent-boston-celtics-first-summer-league-practice

So is this the reason Robert Williams dropped? Maturity? I'm rooting for the dude - I don't like that he has a target on his back so quickly by the likes of ESPN.

Stevens later noted, "I think timeliness is important and, you know, if that's the last time then that's good for all of us."

I wonder how Allen Iverson would have handled Coach Stevens.

Must be. This kid is acting like a complete bonehead so far.

Fortunately for Stevens, Williams is nowhere near an Iverson level talent. If he doesn't smarten up he can find himself buried in the G-League and forgotten about really quickly.

Am I wrong in inferring passive aggressive frustration from Celtics coaching staff from all of the quotes in the article? I'm reluctant to say so with confidence because of how often reporters manipulate quotes. Is this bad press supposed to motivate the guy via humiliation?

petebraun0 · Post #86 » by **petebraun0** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 2:48 pm

I think Carter will lead all rookies in rebounds. He's a solid rebounder; and Markannan, Lavine, and Dunn are going to miss a lot of shots. Carter will be there for offensive rebounds; and defensive. he'll have a good year. Lopez will not play a ton.

Larry Legend 33 · Post #87 » by **Larry Legend 33** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 3:34 pm

dorkestra wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
dorkestra wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23967447/robert-williams-absent-boston-celtics-first-summer-league-practice

So is this the reason Robert Williams dropped? Maturity? I'm rooting for the dude - I don't like that he has a target on his back so quickly by the likes of ESPN.

I wonder how Allen Iverson would have handled Coach Stevens.

Must be. This kid is acting like a complete bonehead so far.

Fortunately for Stevens, Williams is nowhere near an Iverson level talent. If he doesn't smarten up he can find himself buried in the G-League and forgotten about really quickly.

Am I wrong in inferring passive aggressive frustration from Celtics coaching staff from all of the quotes in the article? I'm reluctant to say so with confidence because of how often reporters manipulate quotes. Is this bad press supposed to motivate the guy via humiliation?

Nope, they are frustrated and the organization is embarrassed. They need to assign this kid a babysitter.

mabundo_nagumbe · Post #88 » by **mabundo_nagumbe** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 7:09 pm

dantley4prez wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
i saw a less developed version a couple years ago in Summer League. his name was Kristaps Porzingis.

but we'll see i guess.

what does that even mean? ayton is the next porzingis...but better?

what it means is that folks heavily doubted KP. I watched him in summer league, and I saw what most people would see months later. specifically, KP was a 7’2” unicorn who could knock down shots. that’s the most impressive thing I saw. he could rebound and play defense. it was a rare combination that no one expected him to be able to do right away.

I predict a similar outcome for Ayton, but with better and more developed skills

Ayton has a worse shot and sucks on defense. chill the f*ck down

Jarlaxle0204 · Post #89 » by **Jarlaxle0204** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 7:15 pm

petebraun0 wrote:I think Carter will lead all rookies in rebounds. He's a solid rebounder; and Markannan, Lavine, and Dunn are going to miss a lot of shots. Carter will be there for offensive rebounds; and defensive. he'll have a good year. Lopez will not play a ton.

It's possible but if we use Ariza as a PF, I full expect Ayton to put up huge numbers in rebounds.

8on · Post #90 » by **8on** » Mon Jul 2, 2018 7:59 pm

mabundo_nagumbe wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
Nuggets_Talk wrote:
what does that even mean? ayton is the next porzingis...but better?

what it means is that folks heavily doubted KP. I watched him in summer league, and I saw what most people would see months later. specifically, KP was a 7’2” unicorn who could knock down shots. that’s the most impressive thing I saw. he could rebound and play defense. it was a rare combination that no one expected him to be able to do right away.

I predict a similar outcome for Ayton, but with better and more developed skills

Ayton has a worse shot and sucks on defense. chill the f*ck down

a worse shot than rookie Porzingis?

how many rounds do you want to go?

SlovenianDragon · Post #91 » by **SlovenianDragon** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 3:49 am

reignfire wrote:Trae Young.

He's gonna average 20 ppg on 60%TS, 6 apg, 4rpg. Team won't win much though.

He'll have a high TO rate as well as a rookie.

Its one game tho.

Nuggets_Talk · Post #92 » by **Nuggets_Talk** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 4:52 am

suns fans coming out in full force ever since the ping pong balls happen to bounce their way. amazing how spherical pieces of plastic with numbers on them can give a fan base over confidence.

Winglish · Post #93 » by **Winglish** » Sat Jul 7, 2018 4:01 pm

It should be obvious to everyone that Donovan Mitchell is clearly the best second year player, AKA NBA rookie, in the league.

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WaveTheWheat80 · Post #94 » by **WaveTheWheat80** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 5:36 am

reignfire wrote:Trae Young.

He's gonna average 20 ppg on 60%TS, 6 apg, 4rpg. Team won't win much though.

He'll have a high TO rate as well as a rookie.

Ouch.... About that...

Larry Legend 33 · Post #95 » by **Larry Legend 33** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 1:41 pm

Winglish wrote:It should be obvious to everyone that Donovan Mitchell is clearly the best second year player, AKA NBA rookie, in the league.

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God are you guys going to drag this into 2019 too? Be more salty

Sactowndog · Post #96 » by **Sactowndog** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 3:08 pm

Don’t know if you watched the Kings Pheonix game but Giles looked like the real deal and that’s with horrendous guard play.

Black Mage · Post #97 » by **Black Mage** » Sun Jul 8, 2018 4:54 pm

I think Knox is in a great spot for dark horse odds. Knicks won't have NO to start and they'll give the kid a green light to shoot.

Wendell Carter is another solid dark horse as I think Bagley's presence really hindered Carter from showing his full game.

I could see Ayton struggle a bit given he has no proven point guard to play with and set him up.

Don't know what to expedct from Doncic, not sure if his athleticism will hold him back.

Sebastian · Post #98 » by **Sebastian** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 12:49 am

8on wrote:I would say probably Ayton. On offense, he looks ridiculous. What 7 footer has ever hit jumpers in your face with that kind of efficiency?

Markkanen? Durant?

Ayton's shot is nowhere near that good. Still a work in progress.

8on · Post #99 » by **8on** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 1:04 am

Sebastian wrote:
8on wrote:I would say probably Ayton. On offense, he looks ridiculous. What 7 footer has ever hit jumpers in your face with that kind of efficiency?

Markkanen? Durant?

Ayton's shot is nowhere near that good. Still a work in progress.

college freshman, Deandre Ayton

Sebastian · Post #100 » by **Sebastian** » Mon Jul 9, 2018 1:23 am

8on wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
8on wrote:I would say probably Ayton. On offense, he looks ridiculous. What 7 footer has ever hit jumpers in your face with that kind of efficiency?

Markkanen? Durant?

Ayton's shot is nowhere near that good. Still a work in progress.

college freshman, Deandre Ayton

You're kind of making my point. He didn't take a ton of jumpers, so the sample is too small to really extrapolate anyway, and from 20+ feet he was very inconsistent. Not just in shooting %, but if you watched him play you would have seen a lot of those long jumpers being waaay off. Hence why I said work in progress. He's nowhere near the level of guys like Lauri and KD. He's not even as good a shooter as JJJ.