Refs new "freedom of movement" rule bans defenders from grabbing off ball cutters like Curry and Klay!!!

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Re: Refs new "freedom of movement" rule bans defenders from grabbing off ball cutters like Curry and Klay!!! 

Post#81 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Fri Oct 5, 2018 4:24 pm

nzahir wrote:Jesus man, this league is going to ****

Basically impossible to play defense now

If they are going to call that, then they better start calling MOVING SCREENS

YES!

Last night a Rockets player literally just pushed a Pacers defender away, 2 hands and all, the Pacers defender reached out and grabbed him to prevent him from running away after and got called for the foul.

Much like the NFL, they are removing defense from the game while trying to give the offense every advantage possible. Moving screens has been a much larger issue than defensive holding, but yet some players on elite offensive teams are allowed to do it, while players on mediocre/bad teams get called for it.
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Post#82 » by kodo » Fri Oct 5, 2018 4:34 pm

Lenneth wrote:Never understood why that was not enforced heavily before.


Because the officials allow the offense to grab & hold defenders when screening them.
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If you can grab/hold a defender on a screen, the defender should be allowed similar physicality.
If you make the physicality illegal for the defender, it needs to be illegal for the screener.

If we have double standards, the NBA should just get their agenda over with and just have the defending team go to the bench on defense so they can have the 210-180 games they want.
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Post#83 » by clyde21 » Fri Oct 5, 2018 4:35 pm

Mugging people off-ball is not defense nor is it basketball. Any goon off the street can do that.
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Re: Refs new "freedom of movement" rule bans defenders from grabbing off ball cutters like Curry and Klay!!! 

Post#84 » by Lala870 » Fri Oct 5, 2018 4:42 pm

Going the NFL route.

NBA wants that NBA 2k style offense to boost ratings and also give GS another chip. Yawn.
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Post#85 » by Lala870 » Fri Oct 5, 2018 4:42 pm

clyde21 wrote:Mugging people off-ball is not defense nor is it basketball. Any goon off the street can do that.


You can also add moving screens to that list
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Post#86 » by clyde21 » Fri Oct 5, 2018 4:44 pm

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clyde21 wrote:Mugging people off-ball is not defense nor is it basketball. Any goon off the street can do that.


You can also add moving screens to that list


True. I can get behind them enforcing moving screens better, too.
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Re: Refs new "freedom of movement" rule bans defenders from grabbing off ball cutters like Curry and Klay!!! 

Post#87 » by Yuri Vaultin » Fri Oct 5, 2018 4:57 pm

I wonder if they plan on implementing the existing rules; travelling, double dribble, push-offs, offensive flops, carries and so on.

* I mean call them on ALL players, not just scrubs.
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Post#88 » by Admiral-Kizaru » Fri Oct 5, 2018 5:19 pm

Yuri Vaultin wrote:I wonder if they plan on implementing the existing rules; travelling, double dribble, push-offs, offensive flops, carries and so on.

* I mean call them on ALL players, not just scrubs.


What would have happen to Lebron if they started doing that? :-?
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Post#89 » by Stillwater » Fri Oct 5, 2018 5:28 pm

clyde21 wrote:Mugging people off-ball is not defense nor is it basketball. Any goon off the street can do that.

That is what the rule is meant to stop, but they are calling far less contact so far.
Any new rule and it's like the refs are 1st graders trying to learn how to glue.
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Re: Refs new "freedom of movement" rule bans defenders from grabbing off ball cutters like Curry and Klay!!! 

Post#90 » by NBARocks » Fri Oct 5, 2018 6:25 pm

Admiral-Kizaru wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:I wonder if they plan on implementing the existing rules; travelling, double dribble, push-offs, offensive flops, carries and so on.

* I mean call them on ALL players, not just scrubs.


What would have happen to Lebron if they started doing that? :-?

Nothing. His reputation as a traveler is overblown and a result of trolling that became a meme, and now seem to be a fact when in reality it's a myth. Watch his Olympic play. FIBA is stringent in calling travels.
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Post#91 » by xfactor » Fri Oct 5, 2018 6:26 pm

PizzaSteve wrote:Grabbing has alwsys been illegal, and teams desperate to compete with the warriors ramped it up to new levels. Glad to see enforcement being remonded on refs who turned a blind eye due to warriors hate.


You're right about that. That's why I doubt anything will change.
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Post#92 » by xfactor » Fri Oct 5, 2018 6:28 pm

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These muggings are so stupid. And people wonder why Steph throws his mouthguard. :lol: I still hate seeing his bloodied arms and chest when doing post game interviews.
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Post#93 » by xfactor » Fri Oct 5, 2018 6:31 pm

clyde21 wrote:Mugging people off-ball is not defense nor is it basketball. Any goon off the street can do that.


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Post#94 » by Lalouie » Fri Oct 5, 2018 6:32 pm

i remember back in the old days at elementary school in the 50/60s schoolyard courts were divided into zones with team players stationed in alternating zones. if the nba is going to go this far they may as well free zone the courts too
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Post#95 » by Luigi » Fri Oct 5, 2018 6:43 pm

DTP wrote:But strong guys like LeBron, Drummond, Davis will continue to be mauled in the paint with no love.


One more step. The all Curry NBA is upon us soon.
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Post#96 » by Luigi » Fri Oct 5, 2018 6:45 pm

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Lenneth wrote:Never understood why that was not enforced heavily before.


Because the officials allow the offense to grab & hold defenders when screening them.
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If you can grab/hold a defender on a screen, the defender should be allowed similar physicality.
If you make the physicality illegal for the defender, it needs to be illegal for the screener.

If we have double standards, the NBA should just get their agenda over with and just have the defending team go to the bench on defense so they can have the 210-180 games they want.


The myopic vision of NBA fans is going to ruin the game. All they watch for is the 3 ball. That's going to wear off, and unless they introduce the 4 point line, fans will leave looking for a new high.
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Re: Refs new "freedom of movement" rule bans defenders from grabbing off ball cutters like Curry and Klay!!! 

Post#97 » by couchie » Fri Oct 5, 2018 7:11 pm

blitzbolt2 wrote:This is basically a giant middle finger to defensive teams.

It's fair to say Grit and Grind its officially over.
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Honestly the teams that do this the most now are the teams that don't know how to defend. It's desperation to stop Curry for example. There are great defenders who know how to guard him. Then there are players that try to wrap him up, hold him, grab him because he's constantly moving. They want to keep the ball out of his hands at all costs. Understandable. But it can be done without doing it that way.

If you say it's not called on the other side of the ball enough..then fine. Make that a point of emphasis as well. The smart players will adjust.
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Re: Refs new "freedom of movement" rule bans defenders from grabbing off ball cutters like Curry and Klay!!! 

Post#98 » by Jakay » Fri Oct 5, 2018 7:17 pm

Antinomy wrote:Good god. It’s supposed to be a contact sport for christ’s sake.

Looks like we’ve taken the next step towards team’s having shootarounds to see who can score the most points in 48 minutes.

How many “positive” defensive rules have they implemented in the last 20 years?

Seems like the offenses are allowed to get away with more & more each year while defenses are getting their handcuffs tighter & tighter.


Allowing zone defence was possibly the biggest rule change of the last 20 years.

just sayin
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Post#99 » by Luigi » Fri Oct 5, 2018 7:26 pm

Jakay wrote:
Antinomy wrote:Good god. It’s supposed to be a contact sport for christ’s sake.

Looks like we’ve taken the next step towards team’s having shootarounds to see who can score the most points in 48 minutes.

How many “positive” defensive rules have they implemented in the last 20 years?

Seems like the offenses are allowed to get away with more & more each year while defenses are getting their handcuffs tighter & tighter.


Allowing zone defence was possibly the biggest rule change of the last 20 years.

just sayin


That's true. But the constant drone for illegal defense calls was making things difficult, since it was such a poorly enforced rule anyway.

We are undeniably drifting toward a one dimensional game through rule changes and enforcements, and have been for a great many years now.
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Post#100 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Fri Oct 5, 2018 7:27 pm

Defenders are basically screwed. Can't handcheck, so it's tough to keep a offensive player in front of them when they have the ball. How do you play defense against that? You make it hard for that player to get the ball, right? Well, by the sounds of this rule, it's going to be even harder to do that.

20 years from now, it is going to be illegal to touch any offensive player, regardless of context, and little kids will be talking about how Lebron James Jr. is the GOAT because he scores 40 ppg while averaging 15-17 FTA/game. I can't wait.

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