Devin Booker - The Kaiser of Empty Stats

Buzzard · Post #81 » by **Buzzard** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:45 pm

DeMar DeRozan's career took off once they got Kyle Lowry. Give the guy a average to above average PG. If the Suns are not going to do that, maybe they will send him to the Hawks for some filler and the Dallas pick :clap:

Post #82 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:45 pm

Who’s the 4 you would surround him with if you could only choose any non All NBA talent from the last 2 years?

I’d go

G - Jrue or Conley or Mitchell
F - Tatum or Covington
F - Blake or Young
C- KP or Turner

I’m positive I’m missing some obvious candidates

matt6715 · Post #83 » by **matt6715** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:59 pm

Suns went out in this draft and got him a stud big man and the perfect 3 and D wing, and he still doesn't have enough help. He's not a franchise guy period

jonjames · Post #84 » by **jonjames** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:01 pm

Nobody denies hes a good player..hes a top 100 player you just cant have him as your franchise guy. Better version of kevin martin seems pretty accurate.

Triples333 · Post #85 » by **Triples333** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:02 pm

His defense is... indefensibly terrible, and completely negates his legitimately impactful offensive production. By year 4, that's no longer "well he's young", "he doesn't have the infrastructure", etc. At some point the player is accountable to make himself an at least neutral defensive presence on the floor. When you look at a stat like PIPM, he rates among the top 5-10% of guys in the league offensively (among top option players, 23rd), but defensively he's just a sieve, netting a -3.5 rating that rates DEAD-LAST in the NBA, comfortably worse than Trae Young, who rates 2nd to last. This is the trend for his entire career thus far, netting a -1.1 multi-year PIPM. Eye-test confirms. And if he wants to be part of a winning culture, as the #1 option and leader of his team, he needs to begin to hold himself accountable on both ends.

If you look at all #1 options, the worst multi-year PIPM rating on defense other than him would be James Harden (-1.6). The difference is that Harden is an All-Generational offensive player, while Booker is simply very good. And even with Harden, it's still an issue.

https://www.bball-index.com/18-pipm/

Sunsfan76 · Post #86 » by **Sunsfan76** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:09 pm

matt6715 wrote:Suns went out in this draft and got him a stud big man and the perfect 3 and D wing, and he still doesn't have enough help. He's not a franchise guy period

You are so wrong.

Bridges and Ayton are rookies - you are acting like they are veterans. They have both shown a ton of promise, but it is going to take a couple years.

The Suns have flipped the switch, you would not know that because you don't watch them every game, but I do. They are going to be far better next year.

I would not have said the same thing 2 months ago, but the team has figured it out.

The reason they have lost the last few games is Oubre and Tyler Johnson are out. They are the only other players aside from Booker that can initiate the offense effectively.

Even with the defense doubling the crap out of Booker, he is still showing remarkable effectiveness. He has taken his game to a whole nother level in the last month.

2Mas · Post #87 » by **2Mas** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:09 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Who’s the 4 you would surround him with if you could only choose any non All NBA talent from the last 2 years?

I’d go

G - Jrue or Conley or Mitchell
F - Tatum or Covington
F - Blake or Young
C- KP or Turner

I’m positive I’m missing some obvious candidates

PHX is so young. A lot of them are still developing. In my 2k season with Phx. I flipped Phx #4 & Nola #9 & took Jrue. So I like that backcourt a lot.

Jrue & Booker. 1 of Jackson or Bridges will work out for them at the 3 spot. That's fine to me. I think Ayton is great. Not Doncic Trae level but he's gonna be a beast for a long time. So the 3 & 5 spots aren't an issue to me.

They just need a defesinve rangy 4. Jermari grant comes to mind?

Jrue Booker Ayton can you get 65+ppg. Jrue Grant Bridges can lead the d. 3 pt shooting is a little scarce, but a couple shooters off the bench could change that. -- IDT that a championship team, but a good realistic one.

I'm a big fan of Devin Booker. I think he's a little me first. But tbh, most of the young kids are.

But when your a 12ppg player getting 16ppg in a tanking season, sure those are empty stats. Dropping 26-5-5 is not empty lol. That's multiple all star games material. Bookers beast. Put him on a winning team. Or a team that tries hard like orlando, & ppl would love him.

caltab · Post #88 » by **caltab** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:10 pm

matt6715 wrote:Suns went out in this draft and got him a stud big man and the perfect 3 and D wing, and he still doesn't have enough help. He's not a franchise guy period

A stud big man who is a rookie and the “perfect” 3 and D who did nothing but collect checks and get shipped out of town the first instance possible (assuming you meant Ariza, but maybe you meant Bridges who is also a rookie). Combine that with D league level starting PGs and he had so much help.

When he had a healthy Oubre and Johnson at PG they did manage to look pretty good for a stretch recently. Next year I think a lot of people are going to be surprised with this team, they are much better than the record suggests when healthy and if they bring in an actual PG.

NaturalBuns · Post #89 » by **NaturalBuns** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:44 pm

What did that make Kyrie then prior to Lebron showing up? He was no winner either just a “stat” guy. What about Demarcus cousins and his Kings day.

The best player of this generation Lebron James went to 8 straight finals and now is not even going to make the playoffs and his stats are still up there.

It’s pretry simple devin booker is and has been on a bad team with multiple coaching changes.

Give it time, for the roster to improve not booker

Shady Franchise · Post #90 » by **Shady Franchise** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:04 pm

ShazamDaShiznt wrote:Dude had multiple coaches changed and tons of players traded while he's there. He doesn't even have a legit point guard to help him out. He's a talented scorer, one dimensional but with the right pieces surrounded around him they would win more games.

when you play for one of the worst nba team owners there's only so much you can expect

I'd expect a player earning that much to try on defense no matter what the team's record is. :dontknow:

Shady Franchise · Post #91 » by **Shady Franchise** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:08 pm

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:I was high on him after he has that 70 point game. But since then, it doesnt look like he has gotten much better?

You're using a career 70 point game as a reason he hasn't gotten better?

What was he supposed to do after that game to show you he's improved, average 80 a game?

Pinkyring · Post #92 » by **Pinkyring** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:13 pm

Sunsfan76 wrote:
matt6715 wrote:Suns went out in this draft and got him a stud big man and the perfect 3 and D wing, and he still doesn't have enough help. He's not a franchise guy period

You are so wrong.

Bridges and Ayton are rookies - you are acting like they are veterans. They have both shown a ton of promise, but it is going to take a couple years.

The Suns have flipped the switch, you would not know that because you don't watch them every game, but I do. They are going to be far better next year.

I would not have said the same thing 2 months ago, but the team has figured it out.

The reason they have lost the last few games is Oubre and Tyler Johnson are out. They are the only other players aside from Booker that can initiate the offense effectively.

Even with the defense doubling the crap out of Booker, he is still showing remarkable effectiveness. He has taken his game to a whole nother level in the last month.

The suns flipped a switch..... how sway? They've lost five in a row, 8 of the last 10 and 24 of the last 30, when was this switch flipped?

darmani · Post #93 » by **darmani** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:16 pm

Shady Franchise wrote:
ShazamDaShiznt wrote:Dude had multiple coaches changed and tons of players traded while he's there. He doesn't even have a legit point guard to help him out. He's a talented scorer, one dimensional but with the right pieces surrounded around him they would win more games.

when you play for one of the worst nba team owners there's only so much you can expect

I'd expect a player earning that much to try on defense no matter what the team's record is.

He's 238th highest paid player in the NBA this season. Right between Ekpe Udoh and Luke Kennard.

enigmatics · Post #94 » by **enigmatics** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:19 pm

Lethal scorer.
Not efficient on defense.
Doesn't have a point guard and was often being asked to distribute, which is not in his wheelhouse.
Plays for a franchise in disarray.

Did he deserve all the money so soon? Probably not. I still don't understand the hate and never will. I think it has more to do with nit-picking the cockiness he shows sometimes. D-riders love to d-ride ya know?

Shady Franchise · Post #95 » by **Shady Franchise** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:24 pm

darmani wrote:
Shady Franchise wrote:
ShazamDaShiznt wrote:Dude had multiple coaches changed and tons of players traded while he's there. He doesn't even have a legit point guard to help him out. He's a talented scorer, one dimensional but with the right pieces surrounded around him they would win more games.

when you play for one of the worst nba team owners there's only so much you can expect

I'd expect a player earning that much to try on defense no matter what the team's record is.

He's 238th highest paid player in the NBA this season. Right between Ekpe Udoh and Luke Kennard.

Ok smart guy, then I fully expect him to earn a spot on the all defensive team next season when his salary jumps to $27.2 million in 2019-20. :cheesygrin:

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #96 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:24 pm

Shady Franchise wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:I was high on him after he has that 70 point game. But since then, it doesnt look like he has gotten much better?

You're using a career 70 point game as a reason he hasn't gotten better? What was he supposed to do after that game to show you he's improved, average 80 a game?

Help win some **** games. There is seriously no reason why they are this trash, and if he is going to be lauded for being so talented, it needs to translate.

Nitro912 · Post #97 » by **Nitro912** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:50 pm

Who was the king of empty stats before Devin Booker? Cousins? I don't see any threads of cousins being an empty stat guy once he started winning on the warriors.

NTB · Post #98 » by **NTB** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:58 pm

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
Shady Franchise wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:I was high on him after he has that 70 point game. But since then, it doesnt look like he has gotten much better?

You're using a career 70 point game as a reason he hasn't gotten better? What was he supposed to do after that game to show you he's improved, average 80 a game?

Help win some **** games. There is seriously no reason why they are this trash, and if he is going to be lauded for being so talented, it needs to translate.

No reason?

PaKii94 · Post #99 » by **PaKii94** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:08 pm

Nitro912 wrote:Who was the king of empty stats before Devin Booker? Cousins? I don't see any threads of cousins being an empty stat guy once he started winning on the warriors.

Are they winning because of him? Is he still putting up the same stats he did on Sac?

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #100 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:18 pm

NTB wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
Shady Franchise wrote:
You're using a career 70 point game as a reason he hasn't gotten better? What was he supposed to do after that game to show you he's improved, average 80 a game?

Help win some **** games. There is seriously no reason why they are this trash, and if he is going to be lauded for being so talented, it needs to translate.

No reason?

Point is they should be better than they are. No one is expecting them to make the playoffs