Curry 2015 NBA finals

[NZB2323]

Curry also shot 44% and averaged 4.7 turnovers per game. Iggy had a better offensive rating and defensive rating than Curry. It’s not quite the robbery people are making it out to be.

[kazyv]

Curry also shot 44% and averaged 4.7 turnovers per game. Iggy had a better offensive rating and defensive rating than Curry. It’s not quite the robbery people are making it out to be.

curry and iggy both had the same TS of 59%. oh and btw, david lee had the same offensive rating and a better defensive rating than iggy, maybe he should have gotten the mvp?

[NZB2323]

Curry also shot 44% and averaged 4.7 turnovers per game. Iggy had a better offensive rating and defensive rating than Curry. It’s not quite the robbery people are making it out to be.

curry and iggy both had the same TS of 59%. oh and btw, david lee had the same offensive rating and a better defensive rating than iggy, maybe he should have gotten the mvp?

David lee played 39 minutes of garbage time in that series. Iggy has a higher TS% and eFG% than Curry.

I’m not saying that Iggy should have won Finals MVP. I’m just saying that it was a lot closer than a bunch of people are making it out to be.

[kazyv]

Curry also shot 44% and averaged 4.7 turnovers per game. Iggy had a better offensive rating and defensive rating than Curry. It’s not quite the robbery people are making it out to be.

curry and iggy both had the same TS of 59%. oh and btw, david lee had the same offensive rating and a better defensive rating than iggy, maybe he should have gotten the mvp?

David lee played 39 minutes of garbage time in that series. Iggy has a higher TS% and eFG% than Curry.

I’m not saying that Iggy should have won Finals MVP. I’m just saying that it was a lot closer than a bunch of people are making it out to be.

well, you are trying to say that it's closer, but so far you aren't making any sense, since they both had 59% TS and mentioning any other shooting stats has no bearing on anything.

offensive rating is about the performance of the team and curry played 42 minutes a game. https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/lineup_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&lineup_type=2-man&output=total&is_playoffs=Y&year_id=2015&team_id=GSW&opp_id=CLE&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&order_by=diff_pts

iggy played 189 out of his 222 minutes with curry on the court. who should we be giving credit for the offensive rating in those minutes? the team, lead by it's star curry maybe?

[knicksNOTslick]

Iggy was left open that whole series. That's why his offensive numbers look great. You know why he was open? Because of Steph Curry. Lol

Let me ask you this, because it happened in college.
Steph Curry was held scoreless and his team won. The other team decided to double team him the whole game. Who's the MVP of the game? Curry or his teammate who benefitted off of the double team.

Steph was robbed of Finals MVP in 2015. Case closed. And no, Lebron lost so he doesn't deserve it.

[knicksNOTslick]

Curry also shot 44% and averaged 4.7 turnovers per game. Iggy had a better offensive rating and defensive rating than Curry. It’s not quite the robbery people are making it out to be.

curry and iggy both had the same TS of 59%. oh and btw, david lee had the same offensive rating and a better defensive rating than iggy, maybe he should have gotten the mvp?

Just another dude who watches stats. Iggy was open the whole series while the Cavs were focused on stopping Steph. Credit to him for hitting open shots because Harrison Barnes in 2016 missing wide open shots was the reason they lost that year in the Finals. I guess if he hits his open shots, people would be giving him the Finals MVP that year because that seems to be the logic here.

[Jay 20]

Iggy was left open that whole series. That's why his offensive numbers look great. You know why he was open? Because of Steph Curry. Lol

Let me ask you this, because it happened in college.
Steph Curry was held scoreless and his team won. The other team decided to double team him the whole game. Who's the MVP of the game? Curry or his teammate who benefitted off of the double team.

Steph was robbed of Finals MVP in 2015. Case closed. And no, Lebron lost so he doesn't deserve it.

Best post yet.

[Baski]

An interesting thing about sports forums is the way people try to use the infinity gauntlet to alter reality, way after the fact. At the time the finals was going on, the prevalent dialogue was how bad Curry looked and how Iggy was keeping them afloat. But if you ask a realgm'er today, he had one bad game and dominated the rest.

Somehow his pretty averages weren't enough for people to think he was having a good series then, while the series was actually being played, but waaaay after the fact, with even less context, we should take them at face value now.

Do you think everyone just hit their head on a cliff like Goku and forgot because you posted his series average?

Can I vote twice for Iguodala for finals MVP, retroactively? If Bush did it...

edit: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1392234

Poll during the finals about who should get finals mvp. Iggy with 162 votes. "Other warriors player" option with 28. Lebron with 56. But sure, "everyone knew" Curry deserved it.

Another thread about it at the time, and not years later when people can rewrite history in their heads.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1392996

Keep snapping those fingers with no gauntlet on, Thanos.

Respect.

Edit: Looking through the thread, an overwhelming majority of posts were championing Iguodala for the award. I even noticed a few forecasting that the media would use "narratives" to award Curry the FMVP even though Iggy deseved it, ergo Iggy would get "robbed". Sounds pretty familiar.
For example, check out this gem from a bunch of "idiots":

Yes and it's not close

Curry has been playing awful outside of the forth for the last 3 games

Strangely it doesn't show up in the stat sheets aside from game 2, and that's really what's going to be measured.

As bad as he played in game 3 he ended with 10-20 FG 7-13 from 3 with 27-6-6. Those are technically great numbers, and that's what's going to be looked at I'm afraid.

I guess that means RealGM is full of idiots who wouldn't have voted any better than the 11 idiots who gave Iggy the award, if a certain fanbase is to be believed.

That thread is a gold mine.

[Spanish_Laker]

Are you talking about the Warriors team that faced only but injurry ridden and hobbled teams all playoffs long?

[Baski]

Curry is never winning an NBA Finals even if he scored 50 ppg on 80% 3 pt

Nike is the main sponsor of NBA Finals. An Underarmour guy simply cant win it no matter the performance.

You know Draymond is winning MVP if the Warriors win it all.

And if he does he'll have a damn good argument for it. This isn't a conspiracy against Curry. For every single FMVP he didn't win, there was a great argument for the actual winner. They weren't exactly looking off Curry and giving it to Shaun Livingston now were they?

OT
It went to the right guy imo, but either way was not an "egregious robbery" or whatever hyperbole guys want to throw out. The last two finals KD was better and the voters got it right, however, they won, and that's all that Curry cares about if we're going off of his words. His pitch to KD was that he didn't give a crap about the individual awards, just about winning. Ergo he saw this coming; they all did. The media didn't do anything to Curry as much as he did to himself, but again, they're winning so he's happy. You guys should be happy too and stop trying to delegitimize an award that's been right like 98% of the time.

[Baski]

Keep conveniently bending narratives.

The Finals MVP award is voted by a bunch of media members beholden to narratives. The key reason why Iggy even became MVP was because the Cavs deliberately trapped and doubled Curry all series and dared one guy to make open shots.

In other words, you’re telling me other Finals MVPs in history weren’t double teamed? That’s first of all.
Secondly, the Finals MVP award isn’t the only award voted “by a bunch of media members beholden to narratives”, so hold that opinion for all of those awards if you please.

Again the "Steph Curry alone gets double teamed" argument. Pathetic.

[Krazykiwi]

The Finals MVP award is voted by a bunch of media members beholden to narratives. The key reason why Iggy even became MVP was because the Cavs deliberately trapped and doubled Curry all series and dared one guy to make open shots.

In other words, you’re telling me other Finals MVPs in history weren’t double teamed? That’s first of all.
Secondly, the Finals MVP award isn’t the only award voted “by a bunch of media members beholden to narratives”, so hold that opinion for all of those awards if you please.

Again the "Steph Curry alone gets double teamed" argument. Pathetic.

Curry fan boys are currently the biggest homers in the NBA today.

[Jay 20]

The Finals MVP award is voted by a bunch of media members beholden to narratives. The key reason why Iggy even became MVP was because the Cavs deliberately trapped and doubled Curry all series and dared one guy to make open shots.

In other words, you’re telling me other Finals MVPs in history weren’t double teamed? That’s first of all.
Secondly, the Finals MVP award isn’t the only award voted “by a bunch of media members beholden to narratives”, so hold that opinion for all of those awards if you please.

Again the "Steph Curry alone gets double teamed" argument. Pathetic.

You're right other Finals MVPs are doubled and people recognize it and when a player still averages 26 and helps other teammates get open looks (he was 2nd in the entire series in assists to LBJ) due to his presence they usually win FMVP but Steph did not.

[Ugly0598]

The media and a lot of fans had a hard on for Iguodala at the time

[Baski]

In other words, you’re telling me other Finals MVPs in history weren’t double teamed? That’s first of all.
Secondly, the Finals MVP award isn’t the only award voted “by a bunch of media members beholden to narratives”, so hold that opinion for all of those awards if you please.

Again the "Steph Curry alone gets double teamed" argument. Pathetic.

You're right other Finals MVPs are doubled and people recognize it and when a player still averages 26 and helps other teammates get open looks (he was 2nd in the entire series in assists to LBJ) due to his presence they usually win FMVP but Steph did not.

The idea is that being defended more intensely than your teammates is not a new concept nor is it unique to Curry. The way people parrot that stupid narrative you would think Michael Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron and the others did not get doubled at all and were just feasting on single coverage, or that the guys they did pass to had the ability to outperform then but simply didn't. It's almost never used as an excuse for these guys when they play bad.
I'll disagree with your last statement, because for one reason or another, despite the heavy defensive coverage, these guys still come out looking like the clear cut best/most impactful player over those 4-7 games, while he...........hasn't yet.

[random_hero891]

iggy winning it over Steph was the biggest sham in FMVP history...he literally got it just because of the media's hard on for LeBron and that iggy 'limited' him offensively.

Steph, as u mentioned, had one of the best 4th quarters performances in finals history, including a 37 point performance in a pivotal G5, and lead the Warriors in scoring, assists, was 2nd in steals, 3rd in in rebounds and had the highest game score.

it's hilarious how people give Kawhi credit for having ait's hilarious 'FMVP' because he won it posting 17/6/2 but discredit Curry because he didn't win one despite posting better numbers across the board than a lot of past FMVP winners.

dude was shooting 61%, 58% from 3 in the finals, Steph shot 44% and 39% in 2015 finals

[Jay 20]

Again the "Steph Curry alone gets double teamed" argument. Pathetic.

You're right other Finals MVPs are doubled and people recognize it and when a player still averages 26 and helps other teammates get open looks (he was 2nd in the entire series in assists to LBJ) due to his presence they usually win FMVP but Steph did not.

The idea is that being defended more intensely than your teammates is not a new concept nor is it unique to Curry. The way people parrot that stupid narrative you would think Michael Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron and the others did not get doubled at all and were just feasting on single coverage, or that the guys they did pass to had the ability to outperform then but simply didn't. It's almost never used as an excuse for these guys when they play bad.
I'll disagree with your last statement, because for one reason or another, despite the heavy defensive coverage, these guys still come out looking like the clear cut best/most impactful player over those 4-7 games, while he...........hasn't yet.

Did he really play that bad though? I feel like for this finals we need to compare him to the person that actually won FMVP.

Who was truly more valuable in that series to the Warriors? If you think Iggy was then ok we will agree to disagree. I believe Steph was more valuable to the Warriors. If he's not on the floor they do not win against a depleted Cavs roster.

[wowski]

It was expectation versus reality. People were expecting spectacular video game numbers. What Curry gave instead was solid superstar numbers. Take away those expectations and you’d see he was the MVP for the winning team.

[E-Balla]

To anyone confused the Iggy Finals MVP it was given because Lebron was 33% from the field guarded by Iggy and almost 50% against everyone else. His starting changed the whole series, and was the reason they won. Meanwhile Delly made Steph look bad.

[shi-woo]

Iggy winning it over him was crazy. People trying to rewrite history and act like Steph wasnt disappointing is also crazy.

He had an abysmal game
A bad game
3 you'd expect out of a star (underperform for a superstar)
And 1 where he looked like an MVP

This guy gets it, and remembers clearly.

The only reason Iggy won is because Steph looked blah game 1 and was horrific game 2. Those games, as well as the LeBron love fest, are what created the Iggy narrative.

For a lot of people who were just getting to know Steph and his game it was an underwhelming introduction. I remember my brother saying after every game "This is the guy you think is taking over the NBA?". And he wasn't wrong for thinking that. Steph had great boxscores numbers, but watching the actual games he was getting taken out to the woodshed until they started Iggy in game 4. Turnovers, bad shots, ect.

Steph should have gotten it, but Iggy made such a noticeable impact in all the wins that you really can't fault them for giving it to him.

The real story of that finals wasn't Curry, Iggy, or LeBron, but how useless the Cavs made Klay Thompson...

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