Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I]

[Buzzard]

"let me use literally the only 2 stats that favor Cam over RJ to prove my point!"

Having a concern is just that. If you want it to be proof of something that is on your overly sensitive and defensive mentality. It probably comes with the territory of being a Knicks fan. So far so good; now us poor Knick fans just wait on it to blow up in our face. Examples, Alan Houston's death contract, Melo, and the Unicorn....

i'm not a Knicks fan.

I did not call him a bust. If he can't hit free throws, its a concern. Pretty simple stuff.

[clyde21]

Having a concern is just that. If you want it to be proof of something that is on your overly sensitive and defensive mentality. It probably comes with the territory of being a Knicks fan. So far so good; now us poor Knick fans just wait on it to blow up in our face. Examples, Alan Houston's death contract, Melo, and the Unicorn....

i'm not a Knicks fan.

I did not call him a bust. If he can't hit free throws, its a concern. Pretty simple stuff.

sure, RJ needs to hit his FTs, but you're gonna have to offer a lot more than that to prove Cam's better.

[Priest24]

I'm going with the person with best opportunity at the moment

ROY: Ja

Runner up: RJ

Sleeper: Jordan Poole. Jordan + Thing that splashes = formula for success.

[Duke4life831]

Laugh all you want but these two stats should give some concern for Barrett over Reddish:

Barrett FT% .665, 3PT% .308
Reddish FT% .772, 3PT% .333

Barrett was hands down the best finisher; but if he cannot make a uncontested 12ft. shot there should be at least a little concern for his shooting ability....

"let me use literally the only 2 stats that favor Cam over RJ to prove my point!"

Having a concern is just that. If you want it to be proof of something that is on your overly sensitive and defensive mentality. It probably comes with the territory of being a Knicks fan. So far so good; now us poor Knick fans just wait on it to blow up in our face. Examples, Alan Houston's death contract, Melo, and the Unicorn....

Getting passed the fact that Clyde isn't a Knicks fan, I don't see his post as being overly sensitive and defensive. He's just pointing out that FT% and 3pt% by themselves isn't enough to give concerns for Barrett over Reddish. I mean why not talk about rebounding, assists, scoring, BPM, WS, PER or basically any other stat that favors RJ. And if we are talking about efficiency with FT and 3pt%, why not

Barrett 53.2 TS%
Reddish 49.9 TS%

[Buzzard]

i'm not a Knicks fan.

I did not call him a bust. If he can't hit free throws, its a concern. Pretty simple stuff.

sure, RJ needs to hit his FTs, but you're gonna have to offer a lot more than that to prove Cam's better.

I just have to wait for them to play. Maybe you are the NBA Nostradamus ( the always right version ) and no one knows it yet but you...

[clyde21]

I did not call him a bust. If he can't hit free throws, its a concern. Pretty simple stuff.

sure, RJ needs to hit his FTs, but you're gonna have to offer a lot more than that to prove Cam's better.

I just have to wait for them to play. Maybe you are the NBA Nostradamus ( the always right version ) and no one knows it yet but you...

you're the one who said Cam will be taken before RJ after this season, I didn't even make a claim, I just questioned the thought process behind it lol

[Buzzard]

"let me use literally the only 2 stats that favor Cam over RJ to prove my point!"

Having a concern is just that. If you want it to be proof of something that is on your overly sensitive and defensive mentality. It probably comes with the territory of being a Knicks fan. So far so good; now us poor Knick fans just wait on it to blow up in our face. Examples, Alan Houston's death contract, Melo, and the Unicorn....

Getting passed the fact that Clyde isn't a Knicks fan, I don't see his post as being overly sensitive and defensive. He's just pointing out that FT% and 3pt% by themselves isn't enough to give concerns for Barrett over Reddish. I mean why not talk about rebounding, assists, scoring, BPM, WS, PER or basically any other stat that favors RJ. And if we are talking about efficiency with FT and 3pt%, why not

Barrett 53.2 TS%
Reddish 49.9 TS%

I love Barrett's finishing and his willingness to defend and rebound; but in today's game most players, even those who are 6'10" or taller, are expected to be able to shoot. If you don't think free throw shooting is a concern, I suggest you go talk to some 76er fans about Ben Simmons. Barrett's FT% was a sore spot in high school. He shot .648 his senior year there also.

Is free throw shooting a boom or bust stat? Absolutely not, Shaq is all world by anyone's book. But it is a concern. Why all the uproar about a valid concern does seem like a sensitive sore spot to me.

Link:
https://www.prepcircuit.com/roster_players/21951989

[Duke4life831]

Having a concern is just that. If you want it to be proof of something that is on your overly sensitive and defensive mentality. It probably comes with the territory of being a Knicks fan. So far so good; now us poor Knick fans just wait on it to blow up in our face. Examples, Alan Houston's death contract, Melo, and the Unicorn....

Getting passed the fact that Clyde isn't a Knicks fan, I don't see his post as being overly sensitive and defensive. He's just pointing out that FT% and 3pt% by themselves isn't enough to give concerns for Barrett over Reddish. I mean why not talk about rebounding, assists, scoring, BPM, WS, PER or basically any other stat that favors RJ. And if we are talking about efficiency with FT and 3pt%, why not

Barrett 53.2 TS%
Reddish 49.9 TS%

I love Reddish's finishing and his willingness to defend and rebound; but in today's game most players, even those who are 6'10" or taller, are expected to be able to shoot. If you don't think free throw shooting is a concern, I suggest you go talk to some 76er fans about Ben Simmons. Reddish FT% was a sore spot in high school. He shot .648 his senior year there also.

Is free throw shooting a boom or bust stat? Absolutely not, Shaq is all world by anyone's book. But it is a concern. Why all the uproar about a valid concern does seem like a sensitive sore spot to me.

Link:
https://www.prepcircuit.com/roster_players/21951989

Okay first thing first, prepcircuit isn't a place where I would be referencing for stats like FT%. They only have complete stats for 10 out of his 30 games. You're referencing a 10 game sample. Also I don't get why you're referencing it because no one here is making the case that RJ is a good FT shooter.

Cam's finishing ability and willingness to rebound? Cam's finishing rate around the basket was in the 28th percentile last year in college while finishing just 51% at the rim. Also Cam finished dead last for Duke rotation players in rebounds per game, 6'1 Tre Jones averaged more rebounds per game than Reddish did.

[Buzzard]

Getting passed the fact that Clyde isn't a Knicks fan, I don't see his post as being overly sensitive and defensive. He's just pointing out that FT% and 3pt% by themselves isn't enough to give concerns for Barrett over Reddish. I mean why not talk about rebounding, assists, scoring, BPM, WS, PER or basically any other stat that favors RJ. And if we are talking about efficiency with FT and 3pt%, why not

Barrett 53.2 TS%
Reddish 49.9 TS%

I love Reddish's finishing and his willingness to defend and rebound; but in today's game most players, even those who are 6'10" or taller, are expected to be able to shoot. If you don't think free throw shooting is a concern, I suggest you go talk to some 76er fans about Ben Simmons. Reddish FT% was a sore spot in high school. He shot .648 his senior year there also.

Is free throw shooting a boom or bust stat? Absolutely not, Shaq is all world by anyone's book. But it is a concern. Why all the uproar about a valid concern does seem like a sensitive sore spot to me.

Link:
https://www.prepcircuit.com/roster_players/21951989

Okay first thing first, prepcircuit isn't a place where I would be referencing for stats like FT%. They only have complete stats for 10 out of his 30 games. You're referencing a 10 game sample. Also I don't get why you're referencing it because no one here is making the case that RJ is a good FT shooter.

Cam's finishing ability and willingness to rebound? Cam's finishing rate around the basket was in the 28th percentile last year in college while finishing just 51% at the rim. Also Cam finished dead last for Duke rotation players in rebounds per game, 6'1 Tre Jones averaged more rebounds per game than Reddish did.

I messed that up and fixed it. i meant I love Barrett's finishing ability, willingness to defend and rebound. If you notice through out the whole thread, I have only questioned his free throw shooting and shooting in general.

I look at the High School stats as cumulative. Take what you find in HS and what you have in college; he shot around .650 - .660 from the free throw line in 48 games,

[sfernald]

Ben Simmons (Thought I'd get in before the salty Jazz fans)

Thanks for taking the lead so I didn't have too, good sir

During the NBA Finals, which will be televised Thursday night by TNT, Kevin Durant will play against LeBron James for the third time. Durant, of course, is the player LeBron trades to the Warriors for Durant before the 2017 NBA season. Like LeBron, Durant is a historically great player. One more title would give him all of the total records in the modern era. The other player is Ben Simmons, a rookie who played on the 2018 championship team but wasn’t quite as good, if he wasn’t at least as good as James or Durant.

Simmons was the 2017-18 Rookie of the Year, ending a three-year streak of the ballclub putting forward the winner of the award. All three of the previous winners had been enormous talent, too. On Thursday, Simmons will play against James again, this time for the championship. And if last year is any guide, the occasion could be good. Simmons averaged 24.8 points and 10.2 rebounds per game last year; LeBron averaged 31.1 points and 11.8 rebounds, and Durant put up 28.7 points and 10.7 rebounds. Simmons also averaged a gain of 1.9 assists per game to 3.1 for James, and a gain of 2.0 for Durant.

In summary, last year’s Rookie of the Year was a worthy champion. This year’s edition of the honor will be a close race again. Simmons can’t possibly be better, and the player likely to best him, Donovan Mitchell, was quite a disappointment last year, averaging a paltry 14.2 points and 3.1 assists a game, compared to the 2.0 points and 3.6 assists he averaged this season. John Collins, who won the award in 2018, averaged 24.7 points and 11.5 rebounds in 44 games; that’s about 3.2 points and 1.4 rebounds a game more than that of Simmons. The great Ben Simmons may well prove the best rookie of the 20th century. That means we need to brace ourselves for a rematch of 2017.

[Rockmaninoff]

Zion, Ja, and RJ should be the obvious favorites.

Dark Horse: Coby White - I expect he'll be starting by February at the latest, and that's plenty of time to put up numbers.

Darker Horse: Jordan Poole - With Klay out, Poole will get lots of opportunity in a high powered offense.

Darkest Horse: Bol Bol - If Milsap leaves, there will be minutes. His chief competition is other young, unproven players.

[DiogoLandim]

I watched almost all Duke games last year. Cam is not a NBA player right now, to think he will be a top-3 rookie as soon as at the end of next season is comical.

[PhilBlackson]

It's likely one of Ja or RJ (in that order).

They'll simply have the highest usage of all the rooks and therefore the corresponding higher stats etc. I think Ja's actual play will earn him it but with RJ being in the Mecca...that added attention might make it close.

Outside chance Garland takes it but I think Sexton will look to "prove" his worth and keep ahead in the pecking order just knowing his competitiveness. I don't think guys like Zion, Hunter etc will have the usage to get the nod although I expect them to impress.

[Oscirus]

Unless Zion totally bombs or another rookie is just insane, Id say Zion's the heavy fav.

[drosereturn]

Zion, Ja, and RJ should be the obvious favorites.

Dark Horse: Coby White - I expect he'll be starting by February at the latest, and that's plenty of time to put up numbers.

Darker Horse: Jordan Poole - With Klay out, Poole will get lots of opportunity in a high powered offense.

Darkest Horse: Bol Bol - If Milsap leaves, there will be minutes. His chief competition is other young, unproven players.

0 percent chance White becomes ROY. Chicago has too much offensive firepower I dont think White has over 15 usg.
RJ is sure to win since he will have close to 40 usg rate. Minimum stat I expect is 25/5 /5.

[Buzzard]

I watched almost all Duke games last year. Cam is not a NBA player right now, to think he will be a top-3 rookie as soon as at the end of next season is comical.

I like the Hawks GMs eye for talent. My worse case is Hunter 1st team and Cam is 2nd team. Hunter will get 30 minutes a game. I am thinking Cam will get around 20. Barring a rash of injuries, depth is not going to be a issue on the Hawks front line.

To play the devil's advocate:
Many thought it was comical that some thought Trae Young would be a top ROY candidate last year. How did that end for you?

[Buzzard]

Zion, Ja, and RJ should be the obvious favorites.

Dark Horse: Coby White - I expect he'll be starting by February at the latest, and that's plenty of time to put up numbers.

Darker Horse: Jordan Poole - With Klay out, Poole will get lots of opportunity in a high powered offense.

Darkest Horse: Bol Bol - If Milsap leaves, there will be minutes. His chief competition is other young, unproven players.

0 percent chance White becomes ROY. Chicago has too much offensive firepower I dont think White has over 15 usg.
RJ is sure to win since he will have close to 40 usg rate. Minimum stat I expect is 25/5 /5.

In order for Barrett to hit that he will have to better against NBA players than he was against college talent. His 40 minute pers in college were:

25.7/8.6/4.9

I love the hype though

[Rockmaninoff]

Zion, Ja, and RJ should be the obvious favorites.

Dark Horse: Coby White - I expect he'll be starting by February at the latest, and that's plenty of time to put up numbers.

Darker Horse: Jordan Poole - With Klay out, Poole will get lots of opportunity in a high powered offense.

Darkest Horse: Bol Bol - If Milsap leaves, there will be minutes. His chief competition is other young, unproven players.

0 percent chance White becomes ROY. Chicago has too much offensive firepower I dont think White has over 15 usg.
RJ is sure to win since he will have close to 40 usg rate. Minimum stat I expect is 25/5 /5.

You do realize that James Harden is the only player that had usage over 35 in 2018-19, right? You're expecting that level of ball hog chucking?

RJ is still going to compete for touches with DSJ, Knox, and Trier. All those guys were 20+ in 2018-19.

[Capn'O]

Super happy the Blazers got Little.


Zion or RJ will win ROY.

[babyjax13]

I think RJ is just going to be given such a heavy load and if he plays not terribly he'll have great counting stats. That being said, I think Zion will have better impact stats and be the better player when all is said and done...but RJ is a nice start for New York.