What is Gersson Rosas doing?

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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#81 » by vamos » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:38 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:You grouped them together multiple ways in multiple posts... including in writing how they're both consistently inconsistent.

I think that's an inaccurate claim.


they are the two franchise cornerstones. i dont know why you are making this into something it isn't.

this thread is about Gersson Rosas being some kind of problem. My contribution to the thread is that both KAT and Wiggins have way more impact at this point than any fringe player or fringe roster move that people may want to pick at. I think that's a true statement and is not any sort of comparison of the two players.
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#82 » by brutalitops » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:39 pm

He's done great.

We are the 9-12th best team In the West with two max signings where one of them would take us giving assets to move.

Two horrid overpays in Teague and Dieng. It would be ok if either were starting calibre players. We have a backup center on 16m P/Y

And you are **** at not overpaying for Jones? Doing nothing is better then making Panic moves.

We traded Saric who was dissapointing and going to be a RFA to get to the elite end of the draft.

What did you want to happen? Us sign Morris for a 3 year 30m contract which moves nothing? He's creating cap space. Something previous management destroyed.
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#83 » by Richfield » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:39 pm

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AssistRubio wrote:He literally hasn't done a single thing right since taking over for the Wolves.

He hasn't done a single thing you agreed with. It doesn't mean he's done wrong.


Nor does it mean that he's done anything right.


AssistRubio wrote:He swung and missed on trading up for Garland.

You don't know yet if that's a bad thing.


Maybe you're saying something else here, but as far as Garland, your logic doesn't add up here. If he swung and missed on a guy who is successful, that's not good. If he swung and missed on a guy who is not successful, it means he's swinging for the wrong guys. Seems bad either way, unless you had something else in mind.


AssistRubio wrote:He swung and missed on acquiring D'Angelo Russell.

Don't blame your GM if a free agent prefers the Warriors to your team.


Yeah I don't see how Wolves fans think clearing cap space is a good idea over keeping assets they have in one hand. I mean it's a way to sell fans on sucking another year and not spending money this season on trying to win now. And from the looks of this thread, that con is working. The gentleman who mentioned keeping assets to have something to actually trade when that time comes was on point. And the other gentleman that imagined Danny Ainge would want to trade Tatum at all, let along for Wolves pieces, I just feel sorry for that guy. I also have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell him.


AssistRubio wrote:Which in return wasted our entire FA period with not being able to acquire a single meaningful player.

You guys are over the cap, and therefore very limited in your options in free agency.


Wolves are limited either way, nobody seems to want to play for a poorly run organization where there is rapid coach and GM turnover, and they just hired a kid to coach. Blame it on Thibs those contracts if you want, but it's the owner that hires the people that make these decisions, and he signs off on them too. Nobody trusts the Wolves front office. That's coming from a non-Wolves fan. I happen to love Minneapolis though, so don't blame the city. Great city. Terrible front office.


AssistRubio wrote:Now just let an asset like Tyus Jones walk for nothing.

You don't know if Tyus Jones with an $8M salary is still an "asset".


If he's a basketball asset compared to the rest of your team, he's an asset. Whether it's 6M or 8M or 10M. He makes the team better. Comparing numbers to average salaries and that bs phrase "positive value contract" or whatever it is, is a tool management uses to make excuse for not paying guys. The team brings in enough money to afford giving Jones 8M. He's worth keeping in my opinion. Otherwise you're just letting the few assets you do have disappear into thin air. If you don't want to pay him the full 8M, sign him and try to trade him a little later. Teams like and respect Jones, even if the Wolves don't, as the Grizzlies just showed us. One man's trash another's treasure I guess.

AssistRubio wrote:What in the world is he doing?

It looks like he's doing things you don't understand.


There can also be things the GM doesn't understand, that make fans question what the heck he's doing. Just to be thorough. If the Wolves were atop the West, and AssistRubio were asking that same question, it might look more like genius than ineptitude, understood or not.


As an aside. I thought the team was on the rise with players and fans happy right before they let Sam Mitchell go again. He had tuned into some of the strengths of the roster before Thibs came in and slowed things down. Everybody likes to scoff at Mitchell, but what he put on the floor spoke for itself. Look at the trends. It's a very questionable move by the owner to replace Sam Mitchell the way he did, in favor of an unhappy rigid close-minded coach whose specialty is defense and reputation for under performing offense that can't get the job done. The owner ripped the heart out of what they had which was a good thing going. Maybe some don't want Mitchell long term based on his reputation of the past, but if he had grown as a coach Wolves fans would have never gotten the chance to find out. Not a Wolves fan but I loved watching them with some of the pieces from this roster when he was coach, and they were giving contenders a run for their money on any given night. The team was trending in the right direction and the owner ignored all that in favor of his own conservative outdated (amongst other things) convictions. What a sad story for that coach and these players. I don't blame them if they all want to walk next free agency chance they get.
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#84 » by walk with me » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:43 pm

Twolves will be a bottom 6 team next year...
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#85 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:53 pm

walk with me wrote:Twolves will be a bottom 6 team next year...

Even if so, still have made the correct moves this offseason
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#86 » by TacoLord » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:59 pm

Andrew Wiggins is such an elite defender he locks down the Front Office to where they can't make a move.
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#87 » by AbeVigodaLive » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:12 pm

vamos wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:You grouped them together multiple ways in multiple posts... including in writing how they're both consistently inconsistent.

I think that's an inaccurate claim.


they are the two franchise cornerstones. i dont know why you are making this into something it isn't.

this thread is about Gersson Rosas being some kind of problem. My contribution to the thread is that both KAT and Wiggins have way more impact at this point than any fringe player or fringe roster move that people may want to pick at. I think that's a true statement and is not any sort of comparison of the two players.



If you mean that one is a franchise cornerstone in that he's a top 20 player and All NBA performer who can be counted on from night to night... and who the team is building the franchise around... KAT fits.

If you mean that the other is a 5-year-pro who is making nearly $30M despite never producing a single season above replacement level and is regressing and the main reason the Wolves are on a treadmill to nowhere...

Sure. They're both "franchise cornerstones."
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#88 » by TheZachAttack » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:46 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:
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AssistRubio wrote:He literally hasn't done a single thing right since taking over for the Wolves.

He swung and missed on trading up for Garland.
He swung and missed on acquiring D'Angelo Russell. Which in return wasted our entire FA period with not being able to acquire a single meaningful player.
Now just let an asset like Tyus Jones walk for nothing.

What in the world is he doing?




Patience. A rebuild does not happen in one offseason.



More accurately, a re-re-re-re-rebuild doesn't happen in 15 years either...

I get the strategy. But I think if there's any fanbase out there that's been patient after one Promise of Hope campaign after another... it's the Wolves.


That's not a Rosas related though. If anything rushing it is how you end up in a re-re-re-re-re-re build and we're talking about no more success in 10 years from now.

It's good that Rosas is not caving to fan base pressure if there is any...which I think generally other than vocal minority...there is not. I think Wolves fans are willing to let him execute his medium and long terms plans and be patient.
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#89 » by vamos » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:48 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:If you mean that one is a franchise cornerstone in that he's a top 20 player and All NBA performer who can be counted on from night to night... and who the team is building the franchise around... KAT fits.

If you mean that the other is a 5-year-pro who is making nearly $30M despite never producing a single season above replacement level and is regressing and the main reason the Wolves are on a treadmill to nowhere...

Sure. They're both "franchise cornerstones."


you keep making a point that has nothing to do with what i am saying. ok. i get it. you think KAT is a good player and Wiggins is not. that is not my point here at all. why do you keep trying to convince me of something im not saying?

the wolves decided to pay wiggins that money. nobody forced them to. paying him that money signals that they believe he is a franchise cornerstone as a max player. you may not like it or believe it was a good decision but that's not in any way related to what i am saying.
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Post#90 » by AssistRubio » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:54 pm

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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
TheZachAttack wrote:


Patience. A rebuild does not happen in one offseason.



More accurately, a re-re-re-re-rebuild doesn't happen in 15 years either...

I get the strategy. But I think if there's any fanbase out there that's been patient after one Promise of Hope campaign after another... it's the Wolves.


That's not a Rosas related though. If anything rushing it is how you end up in a re-re-re-re-re-re build and we're talking about no more success in 10 years from now.

It's good that Rosas is not caving to fan base pressure if there is any...which I think generally other than vocal minority...there is not. I think Wolves fans are willing to let him execute his medium and long terms plans and be patient.


There aren't many Wolves fans left. Apathy has set in all over this market for the Wolves. And Rosas certainly has done nothing to improve that. The Target Center will be as empty this year as it's ever been.
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Post#91 » by AbeVigodaLive » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:57 pm

vamos wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:If you mean that one is a franchise cornerstone in that he's a top 20 player and All NBA performer who can be counted on from night to night... and who the team is building the franchise around... KAT fits.

If you mean that the other is a 5-year-pro who is making nearly $30M despite never producing a single season above replacement level and is regressing and the main reason the Wolves are on a treadmill to nowhere...

Sure. They're both "franchise cornerstones."


you keep making a point that has nothing to do with what i am saying. ok. i get it. you think KAT is a good player and Wiggins is not. that is not my point here at all. why do you keep trying to convince me of something im not saying?

the wolves decided to pay wiggins that money. nobody forced them to. paying him that money signals that they believe he is a franchise cornerstone as a max player. you may not like it or believe it was a good decision but that's not in any way related to what i am saying.



I don't think it... I literally posted many stats that prove it. There's literally no comparison. You kept saying that both have to improve... but didn't add any context to it, which made your comment(s) seem lazy and half-arsed.

Wiggins has to improve A LOT to be an average or above average NBA player. He is not considered a franchise cornerstone in any way not in a checkbook (and that's been the case for well over a year now.)

KAT has to improve, if he wants to be a 1st or 2nd team All NBA player.
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#92 » by AbeVigodaLive » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:02 pm

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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
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Patience. A rebuild does not happen in one offseason.



More accurately, a re-re-re-re-rebuild doesn't happen in 15 years either...

I get the strategy. But I think if there's any fanbase out there that's been patient after one Promise of Hope campaign after another... it's the Wolves.


That's not a Rosas related though. If anything rushing it is how you end up in a re-re-re-re-re-re build and we're talking about no more success in 10 years from now.

It's good that Rosas is not caving to fan base pressure if there is any...which I think generally other than vocal minority...there is not. I think Wolves fans are willing to let him execute his medium and long terms plans and be patient.



You're right. Rosas is probably making the right moves for him new to the job and maybe for the long-term health of the team.

My point is that the fanbase has been asked to "be patient" for multiple regimes for almost 15 straight years. I have no problem with any Wolves fan miffed (or at least skeptical) after being told to "be patient" by McHale, Stack, Kahn, Newton, Saunders, Thibodeau, Laydon... and now Rosas.

And that's just in the past 11 years.
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Post#93 » by vamos » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:27 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:I don't think it... I literally posted many stats that prove it. There's literally no comparison. You kept saying that both have to improve... but didn't add any context to it, which made your comment(s) seem lazy and half-arsed.

Wiggins has to improve A LOT to be an average or above average NBA player. He is not considered a franchise cornerstone in any way not in a checkbook (and that's been the case for well over a year now.)

KAT has to improve, if he wants to be a 1st or 2nd team All NBA player.


Look i have no idea what point you think you're making about Gersson Rosas but please stop quoting me in it. We are not talking about the same thing clearly.
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Post#94 » by AbeVigodaLive » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:50 pm

vamos wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:I don't think it... I literally posted many stats that prove it. There's literally no comparison. You kept saying that both have to improve... but didn't add any context to it, which made your comment(s) seem lazy and half-arsed.

Wiggins has to improve A LOT to be an average or above average NBA player. He is not considered a franchise cornerstone in any way not in a checkbook (and that's been the case for well over a year now.)

KAT has to improve, if he wants to be a 1st or 2nd team All NBA player.


Look i have no idea what point you think you're making about Gersson Rosas but please stop quoting me in it. We are not talking about the same thing clearly.


Deflection.

YOU brought up the lazy Wiggins and KAT narrative/comparison... not me.

But since your misinformed comments are not directly referring to Rosas... they're off limits?
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Post#95 » by vamos » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:55 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:Deflection.

YOU brought up the lazy Wiggins and KAT narrative/comparison... not me.

But since your misinformed comments are not directly referring to Rosas... they're off limits?


stop with the personal attacks. this is supposed to be a thread about Gersson Rosas. there was never a comparison from me of those two players until you made one. i simply brought them up as both being more critical to the success of the org than Gersson making fringe roster moves. the rest of this is just your imagination.

thank you in advance.
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Post#96 » by AbeVigodaLive » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:59 pm

vamos wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:Deflection.

YOU brought up the lazy Wiggins and KAT narrative/comparison... not me.

But since your misinformed comments are not directly referring to Rosas... they're off limits?


stop with the personal attacks. this is supposed to be a thread about Gersson Rosas.

thank you in advance.



Sorry for capitalizing "YOU"... I can see how that was entirely too aggressive.

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Post#97 » by life_saver » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:04 pm

AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Quentin wrote:
AssistRubio wrote:He literally hasn't done a single thing right since taking over for the Wolves.

He swung and missed on trading up for Garland.
He swung and missed on acquiring D'Angelo Russell. Which in return wasted our entire FA period with not being able to acquire a single meaningful player.
Now just let an asset like Tyus Jones walk for nothing.

What in the world is he doing?


You have no clue. Rosas is getting the Wolves in a position to be a player in FA next summer and the following summer. Look at the deals he signed, mostly short term. He let Tyus walk because the guy doesn't move the needle and would eat $9M in cap space. Also, he did NOT trade up for Garland. He was interested in Garland at #5 but they wanted #11 and Covington (who's a needle moving player on a friendly deal). That's what has been widely reported. He knew Saric was going to get a bigger cap eating deal next summer and he's another guy that doesn't move the needle. So trading Saric was a win.

Rosas is doing a great job!


Hockey town + worst NBA franchise (historically) + COLD! + blah city for young millionaire athletes + no history + "flyover" country, et al is not an easy sell. The best bet is to hope that Towns is one helluva good friend to somebody on the FA market. OR... to overpay for 2nd and 3rd tier guys.

This is a big myth...if anything you can call it as a football town. Vikings are by far the most popular team in Minnesota. There is a big gap between Vikings and rest. Wild has some good passionate fanbase but you will see lot more casual fans who are into NBA rather than NHL. Recent NBA finals had much bigger ratings than NHL in twin cities market.
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Re: What is Gersson Rosas doing? 

Post#98 » by Slim Tubby » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:08 pm

AssistRubio wrote:
TheZachAttack wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:

More accurately, a re-re-re-re-rebuild doesn't happen in 15 years either...

I get the strategy. But I think if there's any fanbase out there that's been patient after one Promise of Hope campaign after another... it's the Wolves.


That's not a Rosas related though. If anything rushing it is how you end up in a re-re-re-re-re-re build and we're talking about no more success in 10 years from now.

It's good that Rosas is not caving to fan base pressure if there is any...which I think generally other than vocal minority...there is not. I think Wolves fans are willing to let him execute his medium and long terms plans and be patient.


There aren't many Wolves fans left. Apathy has set in all over this market for the Wolves. And Rosas certainly has done nothing to improve that. The Target Center will be as empty this year as it's ever been.


Just stop it already. Virtually every Wolves fan has been pleased with the moves Rosas has made...and didn't make. Everything he's done so far is cleaning up the pathetic decisions made by Thibs and what he did with our cap space. Paying $8-9M for a back-up PG that doesn't move the needle? Good grief. He moved Saric who wasn't happy in MN and will be seeking a large contract after this season for a chance to land Culver. He signed Vonleh and Bell to cheap, short-term contracts who both have some upside. Layman was a great addition as well. Throw in Napier and Graham for depth for virtually nothing. He's creating Max cap space for 2020 and 2021. With your incessant ranting about Rosas, he either stole your lunch money or Tyus Jones is your cousin. Enough already. Your argument is stale and completely without merit of any kind.
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Post#99 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:08 pm

Freaking hell chill and wait and see what happens in a bigger sample size? Damn man...
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Post#100 » by AbeVigodaLive » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:14 pm

life_saver wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Quentin wrote:
You have no clue. Rosas is getting the Wolves in a position to be a player in FA next summer and the following summer. Look at the deals he signed, mostly short term. He let Tyus walk because the guy doesn't move the needle and would eat $9M in cap space. Also, he did NOT trade up for Garland. He was interested in Garland at #5 but they wanted #11 and Covington (who's a needle moving player on a friendly deal). That's what has been widely reported. He knew Saric was going to get a bigger cap eating deal next summer and he's another guy that doesn't move the needle. So trading Saric was a win.

Rosas is doing a great job!


Hockey town + worst NBA franchise (historically) + COLD! + blah city for young millionaire athletes + no history + "flyover" country, et al is not an easy sell. The best bet is to hope that Towns is one helluva good friend to somebody on the FA market. OR... to overpay for 2nd and 3rd tier guys.

This is a big myth...if anything you can call it as a football town. Vikings are by far the most popular team in Minnesota. There is a big gap between Vikings and rest. Wild has some good passionate fanbase but you will see lot more casual fans who are into NBA rather than NHL. Recent NBA finals had much bigger ratings than NHL in twin cities market.





Again... it's all about perception.

Of course, football gets more eyeballs. It does virtually everywhere. But the Wolves aren't competing with the Vikings during the week in January - March. And the hockey vs. basketball debate is not even a debate in too many cities, considering how hockey is a niche sport, especially when counting tv screens while I just read that basketball has more youth participants than any other sport.

Even with a general feeling of malaise across town, the Excel Center still packs them in at a decent clip... at least compared to Target Center. Compared to other U.S. cities, you bet the Twin Cities are viewed as a hockey town(s)... despite the many, many hoops fans here.

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