Who's the Better Team in Los Angeles?

[Not Suave Rico]

How many minutes for PG on AD? Because AD is going throw a party on him.

AD actually struggled badly last year when Harrell guarded him

You mean when he put up 46 and 16?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201901140LAC.html

AD did all his damage against Gortat and Boban. Harrell actually won the head to head vs AD.

[TJ_Ford_11]

Kahwi>LeBron
George>Davis
Clippers>Lakers

I don't know that PG is better than Davis. Most people felt the opposite was true prior to last year, when Davis basically tanked the season.

However last season, George was definitely better. He was an MVP candidate at one point.

[OkcSinceSGA]

AD actually struggled badly last year when Harrell guarded him

You mean when he put up 46 and 16?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201901140LAC.html

AD did all his damage against Gortat and Boban. Harrell actually won the head to head vs AD.

That concept is too difficult. It was also pre Zubac trade. So as you said... AWFUL defenders Gortat+Boban are who he feasted on. Not that impressive when you consider that. Yes, AD is still a beast and over the course of a series, it's doubtful Harrell shuts him down, but it's ignorant to just shout about that one game.

[Official]

The Clippers front court would get completely dominated in a playoff series. Harrell or Zubac has no chance against Cousins, much less AD.

[Official]

However last season, George was definitely better. He was an MVP candidate at one point.

How was PG better?

[ProcessDoctor]

If both teams stay healthy, I think the Clips win ~5 more games than the Lakers.

[tsirigoj]

Yea, 35% shooting against Harrell. When Harrell went to the bench and he was guarded by our 3rd stringers he went off. Not sure why Lakers fans keep making themselves look bad with referencing this game. Look at the shooting data.

Yeah. No one sees 35%, everyone sees 46 and 16.

But lets play this game. Harrell guards AD. Who's covering Cousins? Put him on the post, he'll eat.

He was guarded by Harrell on 77 shots last season and shot a whopping 36%. Not exactly good for him when discussing how nobody will guard him. AD/Cousins playing together will be easy to expose defensively TBH. I'll take the inefficient 20 points Cousins will give for his slow footed defense and inability to stop quicker players now. Not saying AD won't get his. He will. He's a superstar. I'm just saying the whole "Who's gonna stop Davis!?" angle is overplayed by Lakers fans. When you find a way for the Lakers to stop the Lou/Harrell PNR that murdered them last year+Kawhi and PG... I'll find someone to stop Lebron and AD.

Lakers are going to be overmatched by this team and I can't wait to see it.

77 shots? In how many games?

If he's even getting that many shots, I question the defense. A great defense against a star player would force him to pass.

This sounds like an excuse, but anyone who has played basketball before as the first or even second option on their team can tell you that's true.

Sounds more of a case of the shot just wasn't falling. That happens.

[tsirigoj]

i dont know, im not that impressed by the kawhi clippers as i was with the blake, cp3, deandre teams.

i still think pg 13 is weak mentally and kawhi has never won a legit title as the number 1. his spur title was as a role player and his raptor title vs the warriors was due to injuries of kd and klay.

people forget lebron with kuzma as his 2nd bets player was within 1 and a half games of 2nd place almost midway through the season before he pulled his groin and missed 18 games.

Paul George is an underachiever in the playoffs. He once scored 6 points in an elimination game in 2018 against the Jazz. LeBron is the GOAT playoff performer, and although Davis hasn't been deep into the playoffs, his averages are RIDICULOUS: 31 PPG, 13 REBS and 3 BLK in 13 career playoff games (many of them against the Warriors, too).

Oh, and LeBron owns Paul George.

This kind of arguing is fallacious in more than one way, I'll explain why.

1. Lakers fans bringing up that Lebron is a better playoff performer historically (true) without talking about the fact that Lebron had his first decline year last year, where as PG is just now peaking and Lebron will be 35 soon with a million miles on him. Yes, Lebron's career stats are more impressive. He's discussed as a GOAT, Paul George is barely now peaking into a superstar. It has nothing to do with the coming years whatsoever. Lebron has PLENTY of laughable choke moments like the 2011 finals duds, and that was at his absolute peak when people were comparing him to the likes of Michael Jordan. Different expectations for the two players discussed here.

2. Paul George hasn't underachieved as badly as people make it out. The last 6 years in the playoffs he averages 26/8/4 basically. His efficiency in 3 or 4 runs was no doubt mediocre for his stature, but in 1 run was star level, another superstar level metrics wise. Not as dominant as Lebron was before (nobody said he was), but he was still carrying a pretty big load. This was WITHOUT a supporting superstar like Kawhi to shoulder the load and the overall talent of this current Clippers team to prevent teams from locking in on shutting him down.


Again let me end this by saying Lebron is 35 in December with 15 years on his body and more miles/wear and tear than any 35 year old in history maybe. I'd guess he's played at least 50% more minutes/games to this point than 35 year old Michael Jordan due to finals runs every single year nearly+coming out of HS. This is more that PG is just now peaking, Lebron is leaving his prime than PG is better than 2012 Lebron etc.

I don't think PG has underachieved, but saying that last year was Lebron's first decline year is funny.

He was coasting. Go rewatch some of those injury interviews. Everybody in LA front office new LeBron wasn't expending energy on last year's team.

[tsirigoj]

However last season, George was definitely better. He was an MVP candidate at one point.

How was PG better?

Paul George is great.

Anthony Davis is better. I think every GM in the league would agree to this.

[LakersSoul]

The Clippers Depth is overstated. Just because you put Harrell and Williams on the bench and have more sub-par players in Zubac and Bev starting does not mean you have more depth. Your depth includes the strength of your starting lineup.

I agree people are talking like Lakers only have AD, LeBron and Kuzma. They added Green, Avery, Cousins, McGee, Daniels and Dudley. That’s a deep bench and now one that is deeper and better than Clippers.

[TheGOATWill]

How many minutes for PG on AD? Because AD is going throw a party on him.

AD actually struggled badly last year when Harrell guarded him and Zubac had his coming out party against AD too.

Can’t wait for Lebron to get those two ladies in the P/R. Gonna be a long night for them.

[tsirigoj]

The Clippers Depth is overstated. Just because you put Harrell and Williams on the bench and have more sub-par players in Zubac and Bev starting does not mean you have more depth. Your depth includes the strength of your starting lineup.

I agree people are talking like Lakers only have AD, LeBron and Kuzma. They added Green, Avery, Cousins, McGee, Daniels and Dudley. That’s a deep bench and now one that is deeper and better than Clippers.

I don't know if I would jump to "better" QUITE yet, but competitive with the Clippers? Definitely.

I was even watching ESPN today, and they were talking listing all the amazing defenders/three point shooters that the Clippers have and said "Lakers have AD who is a great defender, Avery Bradley is a good defender, Lebron is good if he wants to be, but oustide of that? Not much."

COMPLETELY forgot they had Danny Green. COMPLETELY forgot that had lights out shooters in Quinn Cook and Troy Daniels. COMPLETELY forgot that Rondo can be a great defender when he chooses to be.

This is kinda what you get when you're a Laker fan. With such a storied franchise, everybody hopes and prays for your demise.

With THAT being said, do I love the Laker fanbase? Not really. I'm a Laker fan since I was 3 years old, but also being an Eagles fan, I know what it feels like to be part of a REALLY cool and fun fanbase. Laker fanbase (at least the ones at Staples) seem so laissez-faire, and even the team feels a bit white-collared.

Still, I'm loyal to the death.

[TJ_Ford_11]

How was PG better?

Paul George is great.

Anthony Davis is better. I think every GM in the league would agree to this.

If you want to go the route of what other people think about each of them, then look at these numbers. 356 MVP votes for George vs. 0 for Davis. As of last season, George is the better player.

[tsirigoj]

How was PG better?

Paul George is great.

Anthony Davis is better. I think every GM in the league would agree to this.

If you want to go the route of what other people think about each of them, then look at these numbers. 356 MVP votes for George vs. 0 for Davis. As of last season, George is the better player.

You're seeing the tree and not the forest.

AD basically sat out last season in protest. He's not going to get MVP votes.

Basically, by your logic, Antetokounmpo is the best player in the league, Harden is the 2nd, and PG is the 3rd.

MVP vote rankings have no correlation with best player in the league. They haven't for a while. If they did, Kobe should have a ton of MVPs, as should Shaq, as should Iverson, and LeBron should have 10.

Sorry.

[TJ_Ford_11]

However last season, George was definitely better. He was an MVP candidate at one point.

How was PG better?

Better shooter, better defender, better free throw shooter, better passer, better attitude, and can still play through minor injuries.

[tsirigoj]

How was PG better?

Paul George is great.

Anthony Davis is better. I think every GM in the league would agree to this.

If you want to go the route of what other people think about each of them, then look at these numbers. 356 MVP votes for George vs. 0 for Davis. As of last season, George is the better player.

Also, while we're at it, GMs are kind of the people that decide who they want on their team. Their opinion matters. I'd say at least 2/3 (and that's a low estimate) of the league would prefer AD over PG13.

[Sprewell4Three]

The Lakers have an overrated roster. Seriously, most people saw what KCP , Rondo did last season. Those guys were mediocre at best. Then Danny Green who was replaced by Van Vleet in the finals. Boogie Cousins look liked a shell of himself on top of that teams will pick and roll him to death. Lebron is in his 15 th year , people
Really think he will play a complete 82 game season ?

[TJ_Ford_11]

Paul George is great.

Anthony Davis is better. I think every GM in the league would agree to this.

If you want to go the route of what other people think about each of them, then look at these numbers. 356 MVP votes for George vs. 0 for Davis. As of last season, George is the better player.

You're seeing the tree and not the forest.

AD basically sat out last season in protest. He's not going to get MVP votes.

Basically, by your logic, Antetokounmpo is the best player in the league, Harden is the 2nd, and PG is the 3rd.

MVP vote rankings have no correlation with best player in the league. They haven't for a while. If they did, Kobe should have a ton of MVPs, as should Shaq, as should Iverson, and LeBron should have 10.

Sorry.

That is the point I was trying to make. I don't care about MVP votes either. I should have just frankly said that I didn't think your opinion of what other general manager's opinions are should base on how good a player is at the moment. You were seeing the branch of the the tree, while I was seeing the continent that the forest was in. I apologize.

[Sprewell4Three]

Lakers deeper and more star power but they shouldn’t have resigned kcp he sucks


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How are they deeper? Clippers have 2 6th man of the year candidates.

[Official]

Better shooter, better defender, better free throw shooter, better passer, better attitude, and can still play through minor injuries.

Statistically AD destroys PG - definitely don't want to go that route.