Sir Psycho Sexy wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:Sir Psycho Sexy wrote:Actually no. Jokic's advanced stats literally dwarf Embiid's
BPM: 11.8 - 4.6
VORP: 1.9 - 0.6
WS: .263 - .149
TS%: .596 - .559
Their regular season advanced stats are in Jokic's favor too. I mean, there's a reason he had a ton more votes for MVP and was comfortably all nba first team.
BPM: 9.5 - 4.1
VORP: 7.3 - 3.3
WS: .226 - .194
TS%: .589 - .593
You’re using the wrong advanced stats hombre. Embiid dwarfs Jokic in RAPM for example, and impact metrics > box score metrics. His effect on team success was much greater than Jokic in terms of on/off. BPM/VORP are per possession and per minute iterations of the same stat- a lesser stat.
I also agree with stormi that it can’t be understated how much playing in a seamless system can affect some of these stats. Embiid was trying to make it work with other high volume/high usage players who forced him to the perimeter, whereas Denver’s roster and game plan both revolved around Jokic.
+/- isn't just an impact stat. That stat needs way more context than a lot of others. Denver doesn't have THAT much of a difference between their bench and starters. Jokic's best RAPM season was 2 years ago. So does that mean he was better then than now? No.
You won't find many Denver players ranking high for the '18/19 season.
Embiid's subs were Amir Johnson, Boban, Bolden or Muscala. You'll see how this season Embiid won't rank that high cause he'll finally have good support under the basket. Does that mean that Embiid's impact will be lower? No, it does not. He'll still have a superstar production and impact
It was true for Embiid when he had Nerlens for a backup to, and Nerlens is well above average for a backup. When Embiid is in the court, the Sixers outscore their opponent by a lot. That’s just the way it is.