Is Jayson Tatum a franchise player?

[Asif16]

Is there ever a 21 year old franchise player? This thread is stupid!

You guys were literally hyping up Tatum and Brown as the second coming before last season. Also while shouting Tatum is "only 13yrs old" on top of that.

What goes around comes around

What has gone around or came around? He had an average season, average playoffs, wasn't anything crazy, but was't bad either. Our entire team was a mess and obviously we saw it in the media as well, roles weren't defined enough(which is on Brad a bit), it was a bad(average) season for us last year. Both Brown and Jayson still have the chance to at the very least all-stars, it's up to them.

Im talking in regards to makign stupid threads. Celtics fans where washing the GB with threads like Tatum is the next Kobe, Jaylen brown is the Paul Pierce, if not better.

You dont have to explain to me just how Medciocre the the celtics were last year. And I already said in a post above that Tatum an Brown will most likely still be solid NBA players moving forward. But thats about it

[FlatearthZorro]

You guys were literally hyping up Tatum and Brown as the second coming before last season. Also while shouting Tatum is "only 13yrs old" on top of that.

What goes around comes around

What has gone around or came around? He had an average season, average playoffs, wasn't anything crazy, but was't bad either. Our entire team was a mess and obviously we saw it in the media as well, roles weren't defined enough(which is on Brad a bit), it was a bad(average) season for us last year. Both Brown and Jayson still have the chance to at the very least all-stars, it's up to them.

Im talking in regards to makign stupid threads. Celtics fans where washing the GB with threads like Tatum is the next Kobe, Jaylen brown is the Paul Pierce, if not better.

You dont have to explain to me just how Medciocre the the celtics were last year. And I already said in a post above that Tatum an Brown will most likely still be solid NBA players moving forward. But thats about it

I legit don't remember any threads, tbh... maybe link them, but there aren't too many C's fans who start threads here, cause even if it was Jordan I doubt he'd get much praise if he was a Celtic and was being discussed on RealGM's GB.

The ressemblences to Kobe were found by other fans, not C's. I think Tatum should model his game after Pierce, not Kobe. Kobe was a better athlete than Tatum, Tatum is taller tho and a PP style of play would fit him really well. Brown has never been close to PP's game. He's a good athlete, who's shot the 3 well, played solid D and has improved his passing, but has struggled with the handles(his biggest weakness).

[Asif16]

What has gone around or came around? He had an average season, average playoffs, wasn't anything crazy, but was't bad either. Our entire team was a mess and obviously we saw it in the media as well, roles weren't defined enough(which is on Brad a bit), it was a bad(average) season for us last year. Both Brown and Jayson still have the chance to at the very least all-stars, it's up to them.

Im talking in regards to makign stupid threads. Celtics fans where washing the GB with threads like Tatum is the next Kobe, Jaylen brown is the Paul Pierce, if not better.

You dont have to explain to me just how Medciocre the the celtics were last year. And I already said in a post above that Tatum an Brown will most likely still be solid NBA players moving forward. But thats about it

I legit don't remember any threads, tbh... maybe link them, but there aren't too many C's fans who start threads here, cause even if it was Jordan I doubt he'd get much praise if he was a Celtic and was being discussed on RealGM's GB.

Dude I remember them clear as day. Im sure others as well.

Besides, the point is that you guys massive overrated Tatum and Brown in their first years. There's no way you can deny that. A lot of people tried to warn you.

If you guys didnt overrate them that hard to begin with, I think they'd be getting treated a lot more fairly on here...which is being young players with a lot of potential who could potentially become All-Stars.

But here we are talking about whether or not he can be a "Franchise" player

[ProspectPark]

You can twist and turn around the technicalities, but the fact of the matter is even while I'm ignoring his rookie season, they won 29 then 38 in his 2nd and 3rd seasons. The roster was terrible in his second season, and virtually any average PG would have been able to win 29 with it. In his 3rd season, he had a decent coach, a great coaching staff, and a good roster of role players in a joke of a conference and division.

The Celtics were better without him, that's not even a discussion worth entertaining. They made the ECF as one of the youngest teams in the NBA. With a mediocre replacement for Kyrie, they blew through expectations. You can not sit here and tell me the Celtics were supposed to make it to game 7 of the ECF without Kyrie Irving.

You can not sit here and ignore that they did worse than that with Kyrie. The locker room was a mess and although there are a few people to blame, he is supposed to be the leader. It's always something with him.

How many games do you expect the Nets to win this season? I want to bookmark your answer.

You do understand the Bucks were significantly better in 2019 compared to 2018 right?

Giannis MVP leap.
Added Lopez, Mirotic, Hill, Ilyasova
Replaced Jason Kidd with Coach Bud

Did you quote the wrong post? I have no idea what you're referring to.

2018 Celtics without Kyrie beat the Bucks to make it to the ECF.
2019 Celtics with Kyrie lost to the Bucks in the 2nd Round.

You wrote the 2018 Celtics were better because they advanced to the Conference Finals without Kyrie.

It’s idiotic to compare these two teams because the Kyrie Celtics faced a much tougher Milwaukee Bucks team.

[FlatearthZorro]

You do understand the Bucks were significantly better in 2019 compared to 2018 right?

Giannis MVP leap.
Added Lopez, Mirotic, Hill, Ilyasova
Replaced Jason Kidd with Coach Bud

Did you quote the wrong post? I have no idea what you're referring to.

2018 Celtics without Kyrie beat the Bucks to make it to the ECF.
2019 Celtics with Kyrie lost to the Bucks in the 2nd Round.

You wrote the 2018 Celtics were better because they advanced to the Conference Finals without Kyrie.

It’s idiotic to compare these two teams because the Kyrie Celtics faced a much tougher Milwaukee Bucks team.

With the way our offense and defense functioned and the performance Irving put on in the series against the Bucks, I could make the case the Bucks faced a much worse C's team. Irving shot <.350 from the field, .180 from 3, and we allowed 30 more points per 100 with him on the court. So the argument can go either way.

[Bad-Thoma]

That dude Tatum is a superstar who can do it all, shoot, drive, score, pass, and defend, all at an elite level. 2019 was outlier because of moody ass Kyrie. Celtics now got the best point guard in the NBA as Tatum's sidekick. It's championship or bust for the next 15 years.

Obvious troll is obvious. I can't believe some people took this seriously.

As for the OP, not yet. His ceiling is definitely franchise player but who knows if he hits it, the good news is he is 21 and plenty of time to get there.

[Darth Celtic]

Kawhi wasn't a franchise player at 21. Neither is tatum. Neither was marvin williams. Unless you are Lebron James, you rarely know how it will turn out at such a young age. Ask again in 4 years we might know. Otherwise it's just a popularity contest of celtics fans vs non celtics fans voting.

[Blaze4G]

Is there ever a 21 year old franchise player? This thread is stupid!

True franchise players show the glimpse of it in yr 1. You look at Lebron in yr 1 and now Doncic in Yr 1 and can tell they will become special players right away. We have seen 2 full yrs of Tatum but I dont see franchise type player on a championship contending team.
IDC if hes 19,20 yrs old. If your in YR3, you better produce otherwise your showing no improvement like Wiggins.

Guess Kawhi isnt a true franchise player.

[MagicBagley18]

i'm gonna do this crazy thing and let him play out another year or even 2 before i make that leap of whether he is or isn't....reality is he was overrated and now IMO he's underrated and the only way to settle this is to let his play dictate what he becomes.

if i had to have a say i see him peaking around top 10-20 at his best....whether that fits the definition of franchise player or not is all speculation and subjective.

[Tiny ball]

I believe that Brown has more upside than Tatum. He mostly got by on his superior athletic ability. He really is still just learning how to play basketball.imho
Tatums dad was pro basketball player and has had better coaching. Does Brown blow right by Tatum in the next few years it should happen if he wants it bad enough and gets good coaching. They are two different type players and I'm totally impressed with Tatums rebounding in these games. The Celtics are like near unbeatable when both these young men play good game on the same night.

[Tiny ball]

Did you quote the wrong post? I have no idea what you're referring to.

2018 Celtics without Kyrie beat the Bucks to make it to the ECF.
2019 Celtics with Kyrie lost to the Bucks in the 2nd Round.

You wrote the 2018 Celtics were better because they advanced to the Conference Finals without Kyrie.

It’s idiotic to compare these two teams because the Kyrie Celtics faced a much tougher Milwaukee Bucks team.

With the way our offense and defense functioned and the performance Irving put on in the series against the Bucks, I could make the case the Bucks faced a much worse C's team. Irving shot <.350 from the field, .180 from 3, and we allowed 30 more points per 100 with him on the court. So the argument can go either way.

The Celtics always or near always played better when Irving did not play. All you have to do is look at last years wins and losses.

[Prokorov]

Im talking in regards to makign stupid threads. Celtics fans where washing the GB with threads like Tatum is the next Kobe, Jaylen brown is the Paul Pierce, if not better.

You dont have to explain to me just how Medciocre the the celtics were last year. And I already said in a post above that Tatum an Brown will most likely still be solid NBA players moving forward. But thats about it

I legit don't remember any threads, tbh... maybe link them, but there aren't too many C's fans who start threads here, cause even if it was Jordan I doubt he'd get much praise if he was a Celtic and was being discussed on RealGM's GB.

Dude I remember them clear as day. Im sure others as well.

Besides, the point is that you guys massive overrated Tatum and Brown in their first years. There's no way you can deny that. A lot of people tried to warn you.

If you guys didnt overrate them that hard to begin with, I think they'd be getting treated a lot more fairly on here...which is being young players with a lot of potential who could potentially become All-Stars.

But here we are talking about whether or not he can be a "Franchise" player

the celtics making the ECF a couple years ago was the worst thing to happen to those young guys, the team, and the fans.

Home court got them by 2 pretty weak/inexeprienced teams. Their heads really got big off of nearly getting through an incredibly weak east. they all thought they "arrived". only they hadnt and hadnt accomplished anything. the following year they wouldnt accept roles and thought it would be easy to get back just by showing up.

their fans overhyped them because they "almost got to the finals".

both are good role guys/fringe all-stars. niether is a star or franchise player

[kanahda ballz]

No.

He is a good 3 pt. shooter, very good rebounder for his size and a good defender.

However, what keeps him from franchise level player is his lack of an isolation game (read he was 95th out of 95 on some Iso rating), does not get to the FT line very much, and is a below average playmaker.

If he can make huge improvements in 2 of the 3 areas listed above then he can become a franchise player...but it's unlikely.

[FlatearthZorro]

2018 Celtics without Kyrie beat the Bucks to make it to the ECF.
2019 Celtics with Kyrie lost to the Bucks in the 2nd Round.

You wrote the 2018 Celtics were better because they advanced to the Conference Finals without Kyrie.

It’s idiotic to compare these two teams because the Kyrie Celtics faced a much tougher Milwaukee Bucks team.

With the way our offense and defense functioned and the performance Irving put on in the series against the Bucks, I could make the case the Bucks faced a much worse C's team. Irving shot <.350 from the field, .180 from 3, and we allowed 30 more points per 100 with him on the court. So the argument can go either way.

The Celtics always or near always played better when Irving did not play. All you have to do is look at last years wins and losses.

We gave up like 126 points with Irving on the court, 96 with him off the court I think vs the Bucks combined with his shooting %, the Bucks easily faced a worse team both on defense and offense in the playoffs last year.

Anyhow we will see with time. Tatum's still really young. This season will be interesting for both him and Brown(contract year).

[Prokorov]

Did you quote the wrong post? I have no idea what you're referring to.

2018 Celtics without Kyrie beat the Bucks to make it to the ECF.
2019 Celtics with Kyrie lost to the Bucks in the 2nd Round.

You wrote the 2018 Celtics were better because they advanced to the Conference Finals without Kyrie.

It’s idiotic to compare these two teams because the Kyrie Celtics faced a much tougher Milwaukee Bucks team.

With the way our offense and defense functioned and the performance Irving put on in the series against the Bucks, I could make the case the Bucks faced a much worse C's team. Irving shot <.350 from the field, .180 from 3, and we allowed 30 more points per 100 with him on the court. So the argument can go either way.

it really cant. the 18 bucks were a 7 seed team. the 19 bucks were a 1 seed and elite defense with an MVP. night and day.

[FlatearthZorro]

No.

He is a good 3 pt. shooter, very good rebounder for his size and a good defender.

However, what keeps him from franchise level player is his lack of an isolation game (read he was 95th out of 95 on some Iso rating), does not get to the FT line very much, and is a below average playmaker.

If he can make huge improvements in 2 of the 3 areas listed above then he can become a franchise player...but i doubt it.

Yea, he said that's what he's working on in the summer. Attacking the basket and getting more FTs.

If you mean the player to win titles as in franchise player I dunno, cause only LBJ/Kawhi maybe Davis(? still a question mark we will see how he does on a better team)/Giannis and I guess Harden are that type of players? Maybe George I dunno, he had a great season last year. I think George is a pretty good comp for Tatum, btw, similar body types and game and George was a guy Tatum idolized growing(him and Kobe).

[ITYSL]

Dude I remember them clear as day. Im sure others as well.

Link a handful of threads on the GB started by Celtics fans that compared Tatum to Kobe or Brown to Pierce. Shouldnt be hard since you claimed they were all over the GB.

Link or GTFO

[FlatearthZorro]

Dude I remember them clear as day. Im sure others as well.

Link a handful of threads on the GB started by Celtics fans that compared Tatum to Kobe or Brown to Pierce. Shouldnt be hard since you claimed they were all over the GB.

Link or GTFO

I remember other fans saying it. There are some similarities, but Kobe was more athletic than Tatum and I don't think Tatum can play the same game Kobe did. As I said he can play a PP type of game and it will suit him super well.

3rd time I'm writing this, but I guess in 2, maybe 3 years we will know what Tatum is all about. This upcoming season will be interesting, too as he will be at the very least the 3rd option on offense, and the black holes Morris and Irving are gone.

[Ill News]

Im talking in regards to makign stupid threads. Celtics fans where washing the GB with threads like Tatum is the next Kobe, Jaylen brown is the Paul Pierce, if not better.

You dont have to explain to me just how Medciocre the the celtics were last year. And I already said in a post above that Tatum an Brown will most likely still be solid NBA players moving forward. But thats about it

I legit don't remember any threads, tbh... maybe link them, but there aren't too many C's fans who start threads here, cause even if it was Jordan I doubt he'd get much praise if he was a Celtic and was being discussed on RealGM's GB.

Dude I remember them clear as day. Im sure others as well.

Besides, the point is that you guys massive overrated Tatum and Brown in their first years. There's no way you can deny that. A lot of people tried to warn you.

If you guys didnt overrate them that hard to begin with, I think they'd be getting treated a lot more fairly on here...which is being young players with a lot of potential who could potentially become All-Stars.

But here we are talking about whether or not he can be a "Franchise" player

Lol, it's hard not to overrate Tatum given the fantastic rookie season he had, and was even better during the playoffs. I mean, can you blame Celtics fans for hyping him? You're acting like we committed some crime here for suggesting he could be a superstar based on his incredible rookie year, when you guys would probably do the same. You're telling me if you had a rookie like that, you'd just be "Eh, this is probably his high point, it'll all be downhill from here!" Get outta here

[valrond1]

Right now? No, he isn't, not by a long shot.
But he has the potential to becoming one down the road. About half of the best top 15 players now weren't franchise players at Tatum's age