Sam Vecenie's Top 25 players aged 23 and under.

[Swish1906]

I feel like Ben should be #1 considering he's only 1 of a handful listed that are actually key components to a championship contending team and has been that important since his rookie season.

he's also one of only 2 all stars in that list, with the other all star being d'angelo russell whom ben single handedly shut down in the playoffs this past season.

after ben, dlo, donovan and maybe murray, the rest of these dudes are just young players on bad teams that haven't achieved anything of note yet and/or just 3rd/4th options and are of very little significance unless proven otherwise. the 'yeah man, that guy is a fun young player to watch' type that are in teams fighting for a 30-52 record

Crap argument. You can replace Simmons with a few guys on the list and the Sixers wont have a worse season. Maybe even a better one.

[tidho]

Incoming rookies should be on a separate list adjacent to lists like this.

[kio80]

I feel like Ben should be #1 considering he's only 1 of a handful listed that are actually key components to a championship contending team and has been that important since his rookie season.

he's also one of only 2 all stars in that list, with the other all star being d'angelo russell whom ben single handedly shut down in the playoffs this past season.

after ben, dlo, donovan and maybe murray, the rest of these dudes are just young players on bad teams that haven't achieved anything of note yet and/or just 3rd/4th options and are of very little significance unless proven otherwise. the 'yeah man, that guy is a fun young player to watch' type that are in teams fighting for a 30-52 record

Crap argument. You can replace Simmons with a few guys on the list and the Sixers wont have a worse season. Maybe even a better one.

Crap argument. You can remove anyone of the guys in the list from their team and any of the teams may not do any better or worse.


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[ellobo]

Sam Vercenie is a weenie

There is a guy who is an All star, led his team to the finals being overlooked by a guy who hasnt played against guys who get paid to play the game of Basketball yet.

Zion played in the NCAA, so the bolded statement is not accurate .

Are you implying that there’s a “Webber”
scandal going on in duke that we do not know of yet?


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I'm not implying anything specific, just making a snarky and cynical observation about college basketball in general. If Zion and/or other players at Duke weren't getting paid through some channel, he certainly played against others who were.

[KqWIN]

I feel like Ben should be #1 considering he's only 1 of a handful listed that are actually key components to a championship contending team and has been that important since his rookie season.

he's also one of only 2 all stars in that list, with the other all star being d'angelo russell whom ben single handedly shut down in the playoffs this past season.

after ben, dlo, donovan and maybe murray, the rest of these dudes are just young players on bad teams that haven't achieved anything of note yet and/or just 3rd/4th options and are of very little significance unless proven otherwise. the 'yeah man, that guy is a fun young player to watch' type that are in teams fighting for a 30-52 record

Crap argument. You can replace Simmons with a few guys on the list and the Sixers wont have a worse season. Maybe even a better one.

Crap argument. You can remove anyone of the guys in the list from their team and any of the teams may not do any better or worse.


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It shouldn't be this difficult to communicate that a lot of Ben's team success is a result of...his team. This is a team sport at the end of the day.

[matt6715]

Honestly I see a realistic path to Bam being a better player than Zion in 5 years

[kio80]

Crap argument. You can replace Simmons with a few guys on the list and the Sixers wont have a worse season. Maybe even a better one.

Crap argument. You can remove anyone of the guys in the list from their team and any of the teams may not do any better or worse.


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It shouldn't be this difficult to communicate that a lot of Ben's team success is a result of...his team. This is a team sport at the end of the day.

This goes for most of the contending teams, there’s not one player who can take credit of the entire team’s success, this is a team sport at the end of the day.
However, please stay on topic.



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[KqWIN]

Crap argument. You can remove anyone of the guys in the list from their team and any of the teams may not do any better or worse.


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It shouldn't be this difficult to communicate that a lot of Ben's team success is a result of...his team. This is a team sport at the end of the day.

This goes for most of the contending teams, there’s not one player who can take credit of the entire team’s success, this is a team sport at the end of the day.
However, please stay on topic.



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This is on topic. I don't think Ben Simmons should be considered the number one prospect just due to the virtue of being on the best team. I also don't think younger players should be ruled out because they play on poor teams.

[Jalexjsmithj]

Crap argument. You can replace Simmons with a few guys on the list and the Sixers wont have a worse season. Maybe even a better one.

Crap argument. You can remove anyone of the guys in the list from their team and any of the teams may not do any better or worse.


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It shouldn't be this difficult to communicate that a lot of Ben's team success is a result of...his team. This is a team sport at the end of the day.

I disagree, I’m a believer in Simmons but team design of the 6ers limits the impact he can have on the game. I’m not sure where on this list I would have him because if I listed him outside of his situation I might have at 1. But the reality is he’s most likely gonna be* in Philly for a long time and that would drop him down to like behind Mitchell for me.



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[KqWIN]

Crap argument. You can remove anyone of the guys in the list from their team and any of the teams may not do any better or worse.


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It shouldn't be this difficult to communicate that a lot of Ben's team success is a result of...his team. This is a team sport at the end of the day.

I disagree, I’m a believer in Simmons but team design of the 6ers limits the impact he can have on the game. I’m not sure where on this list I would have him because if I listed him outside of his situation I might have at 1. But the reality is he’s most likely gonna be* in Philly for a long time and that would drop him down to like behind Mitchell for me.



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Sure...I might not totally agree, but I understand where you're coming from. I just don't think that the Sixers success automatically crowns him number one. I didn't mean that Ben's individual success comes from the situation he's in.

[kio80]

It shouldn't be this difficult to communicate that a lot of Ben's team success is a result of...his team. This is a team sport at the end of the day.

This goes for most of the contending teams, there’s not one player who can take credit of the entire team’s success, this is a team sport at the end of the day.
However, please stay on topic.



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This is on topic. I don't think Ben Simmons should be considered the number one prospect just due to the virtue of being on the best team. I also don't think younger players should be ruled out because they play on poor teams.

I don’t think he’s the number 1 prospect due to the situation he’s in at the moment, him being number one or not is debatable.
However, it’s easier to inflate personal stats while being in lottery teams.



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[In2ition]

Crap argument. You can remove anyone of the guys in the list from their team and any of the teams may not do any better or worse.


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It shouldn't be this difficult to communicate that a lot of Ben's team success is a result of...his team. This is a team sport at the end of the day.

This goes for most of the contending teams, there’s not one player who can take credit of the entire team’s success, this is a team sport at the end of the day.
However, please stay on topic.



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This can't be true. I thought it was entirely Devin Booker's fault that the Suns have had a bad record every year he's been in the league.

[KqWIN]

This goes for most of the contending teams, there’s not one player who can take credit of the entire team’s success, this is a team sport at the end of the day.
However, please stay on topic.



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This is on topic. I don't think Ben Simmons should be considered the number one prospect just due to the virtue of being on the best team. I also don't think younger players should be ruled out because they play on poor teams.

I don’t think he’s the number 1 prospect due to the situation he’s in at the moment, him being number one or not is debatable.
However, it’s easier to inflate personal stats while being in lottery teams.



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Sure. Personal stats and wins are effected by the team situation. You've got to consider everything. The argument I was responding to was that Ben is number one because his team is number one.

[Jalexjsmithj]

Honestly I see a realistic path to Bam being a better player than Zion in 5 years

Lay that out


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[Hindenburg]

If you're in favor of removing rookies front the list then you can't have Simmons on there.

[kio80]

If you're in favor of removing rookies front the list then you can't have Simmons on there.

Haha this joke never gets old.


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[kio80]

It shouldn't be this difficult to communicate that a lot of Ben's team success is a result of...his team. This is a team sport at the end of the day.

This goes for most of the contending teams, there’s not one player who can take credit of the entire team’s success, this is a team sport at the end of the day.
However, please stay on topic.



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This can't be true. I thought it was entirely Devin Booker's fault that the Suns have had a bad record every year he's been in the league.

I am shooting myself in the foot here but I gotta agree with this one


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[Crizzle]

If you're in favor of removing rookies front the list then you can't have Simmons on there.

Oh I see what you did there.

[khufure]

if Simmons can shoot he'd be #1. 56% FT => 60% FT is improvement though, let's see him get to mid 60% in his 3rd season and able to take some midrange jumpers.


I'm surprised at some of the rankings. Ayton over Markennan? Russel as well, and at #13? Zion over Luka before Zion plays a game?

[kio80]

According to the age and the rookie performance by Luka last season, he should be number 1 without a doubt.

I have no idea how Zion can be above Luka. With not even 1 minute of NBA game time.

He’s definitely the heaviest at the of age 23 or under though. That I vote him number 1



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