Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA?

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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#81 » by abark » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:32 am

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jlokine wrote:crap on a guy who played 3 games? can we not wait at least like 20 games? wouldnt you the worst worker at your new work after 3 days?

It's not about the three games. He absolutely sucked in college too. This is just 3 more games of trash



jimmer fredette was .500 FG% 29ppg in 4th yr in college... adam morrison was 20 ppg in 3yrs, 28ppg in 3rd year, shooting .500...

if you are going to make conclusions based on a guy based off their college stats and 3 games in the nba, you are about as bad a skip bayless..

And if you really think I am making this assessment off of three games, here is my response to someone saying Cam will be the most likely star after the draft...


abark wrote:I just think Reddish is a ridiculous answer. I've heard all the excuses for his college performance, but I can't get over shooting 35% for any reason.

We've seen countless players sacrifice their role as top dog, and while it has has impacted their production, none have shown that kind of struggle with their efficiency.

Outside of good defense, he provided nothing to that Duke team.

I see him being closer to the most likely lottery bust, than being the guy to have the best career.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#82 » by abark » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:54 am

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jlokine wrote:crap on a guy who played 3 games? can we not wait at least like 20 games? wouldnt you the worst worker at your new work after 3 days?

It's not about the three games. He absolutely sucked in college too. This is just 3 more games of trash


Bruh. Did you See Giannis' first year? Did you see Kobe Bryant's first year? Did you see PG13's first year?

Some people take time. I'm not saying Cam Reddish is going to be some all start type player, but going off three game sample, when someone did not train during the summer due to recovering from a core injury, is just asinine. I get he had bad numbers in college. Okay?

You don't like Cam Reddish and that's cool. We are taking the wait and see approach. So far, he's been one of the better defensive players on our team. You'll find that out tonight when we play your team. He's rebounding pretty well. He's trying to figure out where to get his shot. The game is too fast for him at the moment.

He IS Not getting more minutes than he deserves during the season. He's around 22 minutes per game, which is a back up, but he's playing with our starters due to injury and his defensive presence.

Bookmark this and talk to me about Cam at the end of the season. I guarantee he will not be shooting 27% from the field and 0% from three.

Your first two examples didn't play in college, which is what I am focusing on.

His freshman year, Paul George averaged 14.3 points on 47.0% shooting and 44.7% from three (58.6% TS). Reddish averaged 13.5 on 35.6% and 33.3% (49.9%). That is a huge difference.

I don't know why so many are interpreting my "hate" as an overreaction to his current play. I have been saying the same things about him since last year.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#83 » by Young gun 6 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:19 am

He is so bad!
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Post#84 » by Sulico » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:25 am

Cam Reddish can ball. Lonzo ball. In his rookie season.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#85 » by Lalouie » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:47 am

is it because he went to duke as part of a highly publicized trio. and during that season i saw articles about reddish having the most upside of the three. was the media trying to give cam equal billing just because?

we all know that "pro" scouts all for for the hype too. that is not new.
maybe atl is so young they figger "why not"
from day1 he was the biggest "enigma" of the draft. enigma means "that's a good enough reason to throw the dice on this guy"
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#86 » by Oscirus » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:56 am

Yea its weird because 10 is right around where he should be but his drive is lacking . Talent wise he's easily top 3, but there's something missing. Similar to Knox last year. It'll be interesting to see if he's motivated enough to work enough to be a star/starter or if he's just going to try to get by on his talent till he goes from team to team and hes either a bench player or out of the league at 25
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#87 » by Ferulci » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:56 am

As a Bulls fan, my saving grace is to know that we dodged a bullet with Reddish.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#88 » by XxIronChainzxX » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:04 am

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No offense to you of course, and RJ is playing great, but this is exactly the kind of stat cherry picking that's ruining the league.

Why stop at 19 points? He didn't make it to 20/15/5 yet, ok, cool, maybe he still will. Singling out 19 is just corny.


Look, he's the only player who's named RJ Barrett to average more than 0 combined points, assists and rebounds while playing for the NY Knicks in the 2019-2020 season.
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Post#89 » by pootbrah » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:25 am

Is my predraft Wesley Johnson comparison on point?
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#90 » by Stillwater » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:41 am

its way too soon to judge if his issues really are mental or physical or both...but you cannot under most circumstances justify taking a prospect at 10 with major inconsistencies in effort and poor results either way . right now he is a bust.
he might get it together, he has the ability ,you can see it from hs tape, but if i was AtL id much rather they had'nt over picked Hunter to cover Youngs defense and just rolled with Jaxson and somebody like NAW, Sekou or Clarke at 10 then still had 17 where they may very well have still gotten Reddish if its true atl and only a small handful of teams outside the lottery were the most interested . way too soon but not looking too smart by the hawks org
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#91 » by Ball4life32 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:59 am

Hunter wasn’t an overpick. He struggled yesterday but he’s looked good so far and Hawks needed SF that can shoot and defend which he’s done so far. None of those guys i would of picked over Hunter...some of those guy aren’t even fits in Atlanta.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#92 » by The_Hater » Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:37 pm

Ball4life32 wrote:Hunter wasn’t an overpick. He struggled yesterday but he’s looked good so far and Hawks needed SF that can shoot and defend which he’s done so far. None of those guys i would of picked over Hunter...some of those guy aren’t even fits in Atlanta.


Hunter should be solid but I don’t think he’ll ultimately be the 4th best player in the draft, his ceiling just doesn’t look at high as several players picked later imo. But Schlenk traded a lot of assets to move up and get Hunter like he was getting a much better prospect, that’s been the criticism.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#93 » by Ball4life32 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:49 pm

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Ball4life32 wrote:Hunter wasn’t an overpick. He struggled yesterday but he’s looked good so far and Hawks needed SF that can shoot and defend which he’s done so far. None of those guys i would of picked over Hunter...some of those guy aren’t even fits in Atlanta.


Hunter should be solid but I don’t think he’ll ultimately be the 4th best player in the draft, his ceiling just doesn’t look at high as several players picked later imo. But Schlenk traded a lot of assets to move up and get Hunter like he was getting a much better prospect, that’s been the criticism.

He has more offensive upside than most think imo...he needs more shots but he’s gonna be good. We’ll have to see.

But the Hawks gave up essentially 1 extra 1st (17th pick) and a bunch of 2nd round picks to move up for Hunter. They also gave up multiple 2nd’s for Cap space / future 2nd’s. Sure, I would of liked the 17th pick (they traded for it knowing they would trade up for Hunter) but I certainly wouldn’t call it a lot of assets considering I don’t consider 2nd round rounders that valuable. Hawks were able to trade for Fernando at 34 when he dropped without giving up much.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#94 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:21 pm

It's far too soon to call Cam a bust, but he clearly isn't a starting caliber NBA player...yet.

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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#95 » by Tanks1 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:46 pm

Damn, after 4 games?
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#96 » by WeLikeOurGuys » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:51 pm

Wow,
After 4 games? He's a Rookie that the Hawks are trying to develop.

why are threads like this even allowed to stay open? its legit 4 games into the season and the kids a rookie.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#97 » by I_Like_Dirt » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:53 pm

The_Hater wrote:Hunter should be solid but I don’t think he’ll ultimately be the 4th best player in the draft, his ceiling just doesn’t look at high as several players picked later imo. But Schlenk traded a lot of assets to move up and get Hunter like he was getting a much better prospect, that’s been the criticism.


It's not common for the 4th pick in the draft to be the 4th best player in the draft since there's usually a few players that come out of the blue from later in the draft but Hunter should be fine. He's definitely better than he's given credit for. His defense goes beyond simple 3&D and his offense goes beyond 3 as well. He has some developing to do yet but he was a solid pick and I think he's got some reasonable allstar potential, though it's never sure if any player is going to make it or not until they do. Whether the trade up is worth it or not is debatable. I don't mind it and internet self-proclaimed scouts tend to hate trade-ups for anything but a guy who has proven to be a superstar out of the gates because they pick and choose guys later on. Still, I think it was justifiable and I don't think the Hawks are going to regret Hunter. I think

Reddish, though... I just don't see it. At what point is it not enough to just "look" like a top basketball player and start playing like one? He's just not good and he's never been good. That doesn't make him a bad person or anything. It might actually make him a nicer person for all I know. I just don't see NBA talent there. The Hawks could have drafted Hunter and taken Tyler Herro or PJ Washington with that second pick. I feel that would have changed their outlook relatively significantly.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#98 » by I_Like_Dirt » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:54 pm

R9ndo wrote:Wow,
After 4 games? He's a Rookie that the Hawks are trying to develop.

why are threads like this even allowed to stay open? its legit 4 games into the season and the kids a rookie.


It's 4 games plus his entire season at Duke plus some signs before that, too. Reddish has been called a top prospect for a while and hasn't really done anything on the court to suggest as much. This is more than a 4 game reaction as far as I can tell. This isn't totally unlike Harrison Barnes where he kept being called the #1 pick but his game never quit fit, only Reddish is worse than Barnes.
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#99 » by WeLikeOurGuys » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:01 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
R9ndo wrote:Wow,
After 4 games? He's a Rookie that the Hawks are trying to develop.

why are threads like this even allowed to stay open? its legit 4 games into the season and the kids a rookie.


It's 4 games plus his entire season at Duke plus some signs before that, too. Reddish has been called a top prospect for a while and hasn't really done anything on the court to suggest as much. This is more than a 4 game reaction as far as I can tell. This isn't totally unlike Harrison Barnes where he kept being called the #1 pick but his game never quit fit, only Reddish is worse than Barnes.

Wow, You should be a scout for the NBA since you can say someone will never be a good pro 4 games into his NBA career.
He showed signs of being a good player at duke also.

Hawks shouldn't even waste their time should just cut him right now. :lol:
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Re: Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA? 

Post#100 » by The_Hater » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:37 pm

R9ndo wrote:
I_Like_Dirt wrote:
R9ndo wrote:Wow,
After 4 games? He's a Rookie that the Hawks are trying to develop.

why are threads like this even allowed to stay open? its legit 4 games into the season and the kids a rookie.


It's 4 games plus his entire season at Duke plus some signs before that, too. Reddish has been called a top prospect for a while and hasn't really done anything on the court to suggest as much. This is more than a 4 game reaction as far as I can tell. This isn't totally unlike Harrison Barnes where he kept being called the #1 pick but his game never quit fit, only Reddish is worse than Barnes.


Wow, You should be a scout for the NBA since you can say someone will never be a good pro 4 games into his NBA career.
He showed signs of being a good player at duke also.

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Bringing up his Duke career might be the worst argument one can make In favor of Reddish. He was drafted in the lottery despite his college career as all it did was lower people’s expectations significantly. He was awful.
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