Luka Doncic is the best player in the nba

[Petergrifindor]

I agree with a lot of that. I simply think that finals caliber Giannis defense could shut down anyone. I think he is the only player in this league that could pester Luka at that level. Then again, screens and switches change anything.

Personally I think nobody can stop real elite offensive players.

No matter who you are, you can't stop the likes of MJ, Durant, Iverson or KAJ. You can make them work hard if you are an elite defender like Giannis, but the nature of the game is that beyond certain level of skill, the offensive players can't be stopped.

Now, with a whole team effort, and if the teammates of the elite offensive guy are pure crap, then there is a chance. But 1 on 1, nobody can do it, even the best of the best defenders.

[alebaba]

Hell no. He ranks 201st in defensive winshares. The same reason people didn't want to call Lebron the best player in NBA last year is the same reason I can't call Luka Doncic the best player in the NBA. Everyone is just blown away by his offensive game which is trascendent no doubt but I value being a two way player far more than just being trascendent on offense.

Well, ppl called Curry the best player in the Nba when his defense was non existent.

[Baski]

I like Luka but he has no case over Giannis due to the defensive gap. Harden also does what Luka does but does it better. Kawhi is a godly playoff performer and Luka hasn't even played one playoff game. Than still LeBron. Way premature statement.

Lol what??
What the hell does he do better apart provoking fouls and free throws?
Passing? Not even in the same class as Luka and Luka does it with weaker teammates than Harden.
Scoring? Doncic does it already more efficiently, stats prove it.
Renounding? Again, not even in the same class as Doncic

So for someone who likes Doncic, you surely have a strange way to show it....

You think calling James Harden a better player than Luka Doncic is supposed to be some sort of insult?

[MrBigShot]

I don't think he's the best at this point but the fact that this is even a conversation is really special. Luka has so good so fast that people's perception of him hasn't caught up yet.

[Yuri36]

I like Luka but he has no case over Giannis due to the defensive gap. Harden also does what Luka does but does it better. Kawhi is a godly playoff performer and Luka hasn't even played one playoff game. Than still LeBron. Way premature statement.

Lol what??
What the hell does he do better apart provoking fouls and free throws?
Passing? Not even in the same class as Luka and Luka does it with weaker teammates than Harden.
Scoring? Doncic does it already more efficiently, stats prove it.
Renounding? Again, not even in the same class as Doncic

So for someone who likes Doncic, you surely have a strange way to show it....

You think calling James Harden a better player than Luka Doncic is supposed to be some sort of insult?

Learn to read, man.
It's one thing to say Harden is a better player than Doncic (albeit it's definitely debatable basing on this season so far) but it's quite another to say that EVERYTHING Luka does, Harden does it better.
That's what I was precisely answering but again, if you don't know how to read, I cant do anything for you

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Lol what??
What the hell does he do better apart provoking fouls and free throws?
Passing? Not even in the same class as Luka and Luka does it with weaker teammates than Harden.
Scoring? Doncic does it already more efficiently, stats prove it.
Renounding? Again, not even in the same class as Doncic

So for someone who likes Doncic, you surely have a strange way to show it....

You think calling James Harden a better player than Luka Doncic is supposed to be some sort of insult?

Learn to read, man.
It's one thing to say Harden is a better player than Doncic (albeit it's definitely debatable basing on this season so far) but it's quite another to say that EVERYTHING Luka does, Harden does it better.
That's what I was precisely answering but again, if you don't know how to read, I cant do anything for you

He is scoring 8 more points on similar TS and TOV. Playmaking he has averaged over 11APG before but this year is sharing playmaking duties with Westbrook. So from an overall offensive standpoint, it seems they are similar but Harden is just a little better at doing it.

[TheBonzaiEffect]

You think calling James Harden a better player than Luka Doncic is supposed to be some sort of insult?

Learn to read, man.
It's one thing to say Harden is a better player than Doncic (albeit it's definitely debatable basing on this season so far) but it's quite another to say that EVERYTHING Luka does, Harden does it better.
That's what I was precisely answering but again, if you don't know how to read, I cant do anything for you

He is scoring 8 more points on similar TS and TOV. Playmaking he has averaged over 11APG before but this year is sharing playmaking duties with Westbrook. So from an overall offensive standpoint, it seems they are similar but Harden is just a little better at doing it.

You can't say TS% as though it encompasses everything. Luka has a superior eFG%, a superior FG% on drives, and on two pointers. Ergo, Luka is a better scorer from inside the arc, and a better finisher. There's two things right there.

[StickeeFingaz]

Basketball is played on two ends of the floor.
I agree that he's in the running for MVP because of his offensive gifts although he's an average defender at best.

Too much is made about his defense mostly because of his relative slowness (unfortunately that's not something he can improve) but honestly, he is not that bad especially when you look at steals and some of the défensive rebounds he takes.
Also Mavs's defense is not that bad, for example the Bucks have a worse defense than the Mavs.

Where the hell are you getting your stats? Every site I look at, the Bucks have a better defensive rating than the Mavs. You’re just making **** up.


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[SecondTake]

Your realize giannis got destroyed in the ecf right

This statement is too concrete but he certainly is playing like a top-3 guy.

Some of these Luka fans though. Jesus. He would personally tell you to chill out. smh

The crowning is getting premature. I love Luka, think his playing style is like poetry in motion, but you cant convince me that if he met Giannis in the finals, anything other than a massacre would happen. For as beautiful as his game is, the pure insane physical gifts of Giannis would win out at this point. And for that reason you cant call him the best player in this league.

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[Yuri36]

Basketball is played on two ends of the floor.
I agree that he's in the running for MVP because of his offensive gifts although he's an average defender at best.

Too much is made about his defense mostly because of his relative slowness (unfortunately that's not something he can improve) but honestly, he is not that bad especially when you look at steals and some of the défensive rebounds he takes.
Also Mavs's defense is not that bad, for example the Bucks have a worse defense than the Mavs.

Where the hell are you getting your stats? Every site I look at, the Bucks have a better defensive rating than the Mavs. You’re just making **** up.


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They allow more pts than Dallas anyway

[og15]

Not enough games played to say that, but he’s putting himself into that level of conversation which is just impressive.

Basketball is played on two ends of the floor.
I agree that he's in the running for MVP because of his offensive gifts although he's an average defender at best.

Too much is made about his defense mostly because of his relative slowness (unfortunately that's not something he can improve) but honestly, he is not that bad especially when you look at steals and some of the défensive rebounds he takes.
Also Mavs's defense is not that bad, for example the Bucks have a worse defense than the Mavs.

Where the hell are you getting your stats? Every site I look at, the Bucks have a better defensive rating than the Mavs. You’re just making **** up.


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My only guess would be inaccurately ranking defense by opposing PPG which is a misunderstanding of how pace affects that kind of stat. That would be my guess because by Drtg, Bucks are 5.1 pts/100 possessions better per Bballref (103.7 - 8th to 108.8 - 17th), they give up 49.4% eFG to Dallas’ 51.8% eFG, they are the 2nd best team in DRB% (81% to 77.4%) and they are even better at forcing opponent turnovers (12.5% to 11.4%) which isn’t a strength of theirs. So it is very likely using an inaccurate defensive metric in opponent PPG.

[tria]

I like Luka but he has no case over Giannis due to the defensive gap. Harden also does what Luka does but does it better. Kawhi is a godly playoff performer and Luka hasn't even played one playoff game. Than still LeBron. Way premature statement.

Almost all true.
But then, I am a little scared of my own opinion about how this season is going to end. All I can say is, if anybody want to stop him, better do it in a regular season. If he drag this team to playoff, he will turn his playoff mode and it will be to late. There will be no wide smiles. Just torture and ... disbelieve on the opponents side. He is now on 50%-60%.

He is a master of adaptation. There is no coach or team or player in today NBA that can stop him in best of 7 series. Best of 3 or maybe best of 5 there are chances. But not in 7 games. He only need one good night sleep after L.

All my claims from one or two years ago was ridiculed. About draft, his translation in NBA...all. They looked then as hyperbolas.
Yet he overachieved everything.

Maybe one more year.

I remember his last year in Euroleague in playoffs agains Panathinaikos. I thought now he will face trouble, defensive team with home advantage will plan for him and shut him down. And they do, their whole system is made to limit him. The blow out Real Madrid for like 30 and people thought, me included, well, this is it. He is not yet prepared as 19 year old to such intense pressure of a team fully prepared to throw 2-3 motivated athletic defenders with days of preparations to harass him at every step under harsher FIBA rules.

Guess what, next game 2 days later, again in hostile Athens in front of 15k crazy fans, Doncic adapts his game, Panathinaikos’s scheme doesn’t work anymore and Madrid goes to win the game, and later series with 3:1.

That is when, even after watching him do things no 18 year should be doing for whole year, i went holy ****, this guy is truly special.

So people, if you think Doncic will not be able to cope with playoff defenses 2 years later and under NBA rules, prepare to be proven wrong.

[GOATTatum]

Doncic is a stat padder on a bad team. Put him on the Celtics and he's a less athletic Jaylen Brown with terrible defense.

[Speadge]

I just felt the need to post this somewhere.

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[Jabroni Lames]

29.9 ppg, 10.4rpg, 9.7 assists Per game and the Mavs being the surprise team sitting 5th in the Western conference with a relatively crappy roster outside of Doncic and Porzingas! This kid is extraterrestrial

Porzingis is crappy too.

[og15]

Doncic is a stat padder on a bad team. Put him on the Celtics and he's a less athletic Jaylen Brown with terrible defense.

The bad 10-5 team that is currently tied for 5th in the West and is 1st in the NBA in Ortg? Hmm...interesting

Also athleticism and explosiveness are conflated a lot. Doncic is athletic, but not explosive. There are areas of athleticism in which he is better than a guy like Jaylen Brown and vice versa.

[Raps in 4]

He's definitely in contention for the title this year.

[Raps in 4]

Doncic is a stat padder on a bad team. Put him on the Celtics and he's a less athletic Jaylen Brown with terrible defense.

30 PPG on 63% TS
14.1 BPM
Team has a 10-5 record

"Stat padding"

[Hindenburg]

He's off to a better start in his career than LeBron. Let that sink in.
Better 1st year and so far better 2nd year. Pretty crazy.

[nurseryc]

No more please, not another Luka thread! Oh that’s right, I created the thread...