Tuesday game thread discussion

[tcheco]

That's a terrible terrible thread

And to the guy offering Wall for Simmons... That's gotta be a joke, right?

The guy is elite at defending and passing, his team was one shot away from the finals and you are dumb enough to say that the "experiment" failed? LOL

What? they were "one shot away" from overtime in game 7. If they win that, they still have to play an entire series against maybe the best player in the league before getting to the finals.

I stand corrected, they lost a game in a game winning basket in the last second against the NBA champions that beat "THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE" by 4-2

OMG THEY DON'T WORK TOGETHER, TRADE SIMMONS

Terrible terrible take, you should be ashamed.

[fbalmeida]

on.

To me, Simmons looks like a pretty solid two-way SF with range issues.

The 6'10" player with amazing court vision great handles and runs the offense fine is more of a Wing?

The ****?

The issue isn't exactly new. Larry Brown is on record in 2017 stating that whoever thought, the then draftee Simmons would be a point guard, was a "moron".

With slick passing and vision, front-court height, and zero range, he certainly is an outlier. Being the primary ball-carrier, team-wise, and not having any range while running the offence, is certainly going to give you problems in stretching the court and keeping defences honest.

Of course they can't all be Stocktons, but the way a good point guard can exploit defenders that opt to back up off of them into passing lanes by shooting well from the field and +35% from three, is what separates a big guy with handles from a genuine ball carrier.

If not a wing, perhaps a small-ball centre.

[Swish1906]

Dude, Wall had an achilles tear...If the Wiz are lucky he is 75% the player he was. No one is trading for him

Wes, Barea....they both lost more than one step

Guess you have not seen Wall lately. He more 75%, hes just not playing.

Guess you are just trying to ignore every single basketballer having an achilles tear and how they came back. Instead you watch some scrimmage video and believe that he is coming back at full (or almost full) strength...

[tcheco]

They were 1 shot away from beating the champions, with a 22 year old Simmons and a 25 year old embiid with a team built during the regular season last year, BUT THEY CAN'T WORK TOGETHER.

Again, they probably had one of the most stacked starting lineups after Golden State in recent memory. They are still a very good team but not getting the best out of both at the same time. I think there is a chance it can work if they go get a real PG and move Simmons to PF.

Simmons at PG works if he is surrounded by shooters and guys that can run the fast break. We all remember how Simmons carried the Sixers to a 14 game winning streak or whatever it was when Embiid went down in his' rookie season. We rarely see that type of Simmons when Embiid is playing.

I'm sure if you look Simmons' number when Embiid is playing and when he isn't playing, this would be a open and shut case. The eye test definitely backs that up.

I feel like this current team is as stacked as last years team.

Horford and Josh instead of Butler adds more shooting. Simmons is even more important without butler, who helped starting the offense.

Horford also helps Embiid with his minutes, helping the defense to be better when he rests.

People are really overthinking this, and taking conclusions that are simply wrong

Also, feel free to bring the data of Simmons playing without embiid, and vice versa, and also compare to other one-two punches in the league to compare the differences.
Or we can just have a bunch of hot takes based on watching a couple of games as well

[tcheco]

I feel like this point is as valid as people who said: OKC can't win with Harden, Westbrook and KD, they all need the ball to be effective

[spikeslovechild]

Why are other fans constantly obessing over Simmons? He isn't going to be moved no matter how much other fans dream on it.

The only question is how much does Simmons want it. We all know what he needs to do is develop a consistent 3PT shot. That is the one thing standing between him being a 18 PPG allstar player and a 23-25 PPG MVP caliber player. He already does so much well including defend 3 positions, play make, run the transition offense, etc. It's the missing piece.

It's on him but regardless he won't be moved. We won't receive equal value and this team is built to win now the roster is the roster.

[Vsauce12]

I feel like this point is as valid as people who said: OKC can't win with Harden, Westbrook and KD, they all need the ball to be effective

Stop using your feelings and start using your head because you’re talking a lot of crap rn

[Vsauce12]

lol at this thread. The Sixers are rolling and had arguably the biggest win of the nba season last night. Simmons is under contract for a long time. I can't guarantee much, but I'll guarantee and bet anyone that Simmons will be on the Sixers for at least the next few years.

What!?

[GeorgeMarcus]

I feel like this point is as valid as people who said: OKC can't win with Harden, Westbrook and KD, they all need the ball to be effective

Stop using your feelings and start using your head because you’re talking a lot of crap rn

Says the guy who believes the process failed and Simmons/Embiid are garbage

Believes is the wrong word. I know you don’t believe that.

[JB2]

Simmons is a still an elite talent but he hasn't turned the corner to being an elite player... dude should be a walking triple double with a consistent 22/10/10.

Philly IMO built the team poorly this summer. I've been saying it but to make up for Simmons flaws, getting a trigger happy guard who can score, create, and initiate would have been ideal instead of Horford. Should have signed (or attempted to sign) D'lo and then moved Simmons to the 4. Embiid/Simmons/Harris/Richardson/Russell with a veteran bench to me would do more damage as long as D'lo kept up his level up play. Simmons is going to be the fall boy come playoffs.

That said, don't know how you trade him or for who.

[Jamaaliver]

lol at this thread. The Sixers are rolling and had arguably the biggest win of the nba season last night. Simmons is under contract for a long time. I can't guarantee much, but I'll guarantee and bet anyone that Simmons will be on the Sixers for at least the next few years.

There are some legit for concerns with the fit.

The Athletic HAD A NICE PIECE ON THIS ISSUE RECENTLY:

Over the course of their seven-game playoff series in the spring, the Sixers outscored the Raptors 545-455 with Joel Embiid on the court, but were outscored by an astonishing 256-147 margin in the 99 minutes when Embiid sat.

...too many times, Simmons comes down the court not even looking to score. This season, he has a fourth-quarter usage rate of just 15.4 percent, well below any of his other three quarters of play (20 percent in the first and second quarters, 21.3 percent in the third). Far too often, though, Simmons is in spots where the highest value shot is to look to score himself, and he doesn’t. There are plays in which the hard part — getting near the rim — is done, and Simmons simply needs to capitalize.

Good defensive teams know when Simmons isn’t comfortable scoring, even when he’s in position to do so. If Simmons is unwilling to take those shots, there’s no reason to help off of shooters, especially those in the high-valued short corners. Not only is Simmons’ passivity hurting his team because it takes away scoring opportunities near the rim, but it also makes it easier to defend the Sixers’ role players in the corners, a double whammy of dropped effectiveness.

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[bisme37]

I still think they should keep Ben and play him at power forward. Trade Horford or someone else for an actual dynamic point guard who can shoot and score off the dribble. Voila, problem solved.

[lakers2020]

The ideal spot and 6ers trade partner for Simmons IMO is Brooklyn.
Trade Simmons for Dinwiddie. You could add other things around it to balance it better but that would be the core deal.
Kyrie, Harris, Durant, Simmons, Allen
Dinwiddie, Richardson, Harris, Horford, Embiid


One other great spot and trade partner is the Raptors
Trade Simmons for FVV and whatever else required to make the deal.

Would probably have to be Dinwiddie and J. Allen in a 3 team trade.

FVV is expiring, but I think he's a legit 20-25m/ yr player now.

[zimpy27]

The ideal spot and 6ers trade partner for Simmons IMO is Brooklyn.
Trade Simmons for Dinwiddie. You could add other things around it to balance it better but that would be the core deal.
Kyrie, Harris, Durant, Simmons, Allen
Dinwiddie, Richardson, Harris, Horford, Embiid


One other great spot and trade partner is the Raptors
Trade Simmons for FVV and whatever else required to make the deal.

Would probably have to be Dinwiddie and J. Allen in a 3 team trade.

FVV is expiring, but I think he's a legit 20-25m/ yr player now.

I was thinking Simmons and Smith for Dinwiddie and LeVert

[VDT]

Simmons and Embiid are a terrible combination and bring the worst out in each other. The Sixers have elected to build around Embiid, not Simmons. This is not a Bucks scenario with Giannis.

Simmons dominates and plays at his best when Embiid sits. Embiid likes to slow the game down and have the ball passed into him where he is effective in scoring inside, Simmons likes to run and gun, similar to Magic Johnson. They have completely contrasting play styles and cancel out each other’s effectiveness. You simply cannot expect big games from Simmons when Embiid is playing.

1. What is a worthy trade for Simmons?
2. Of all teams factoring in coaches, what is the best team for Simmons to be traded to in order for him to develop to his full potential and become the best version of himself?

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The team is not build for Embiid. The Horford acquisition and the way they use Embiid shows the opposite actually.

The Sixers are not going to trade him this season as they are still contenders ( no matter how low you think their chances are) and it is unlikely that they find a better replacement.

What they do in the summer depends on how the season goes. They are still unlikely to find a better replacement but maybe their hand is forced. Ideal would be to find a Kawhi trade, where the other team will also be forced to make a trade.

Also no to the likes of Wall, D Angelo etc.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Simmons is a still an elite talent but he hasn't turned the corner to being an elite player... dude should be a walking triple double with a consistent 22/10/10.

Philly IMO built the team poorly this summer. I've been saying it but to make up for Simmons flaws, getting a trigger happy guard who can score, create, and initiate would have been ideal instead of Horford. Should have signed (or attempted to sign) D'lo and then moved Simmons to the 4. Embiid/Simmons/Harris/Richardson/Russell with a veteran bench to me would do more damage as long as D'lo kept up his level up play. Simmons is going to be the fall boy come playoffs.

That said, don't know how you trade him or for who.

Horford is a lot more impactful than D’Lo would be. It’s not like D’lo would be the go to scoring option over Embiid, or even Tobias, and our defense would suffer as a result. People act like perimeter shooting is our Achilles heal but we’re tied for 5th in 3pt%.

Ben’s shooting passivity is frustrating but there’s so much more to like. There’s no way we’re trading him.

[BullyKing]

The Sixers would be the clear cut favorite if he were a consistent 20-22ppg scorer, last night he was a ghost on offense.

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Ben Simmons averages 16 a game for his career. You really think him adding another 4-6 per game is the difference between whatever they are and being the clear cut favorite for the title?

[BullyKing]

Ben great last playoffs? What? So him clogging up the paint and just staying in the restricted area, allowing his defender to double Embiid was great?

You’re about as homer as it gets, going back and fourth is a waste of time.

99% of sixer fans arent even sixer fans first, they are simmons fans first and foremost, it is sickening hearing them just dodge the facts and defend him no matter what

somehow acting like because we are winning, him standing in the paint clogging everything up and turning the ball over constantly is helping us win games, because we are winning..

You must not come here often if you think I’m a Simmons-first Sixers fan. Embiid is by far our best player and I’m always the first one to make that case.

But if you think Simmons is a net negative player or something... You’ve been listening to too much WIP.

Tread carefully, you're debating someone who played basketball "post middle school"?

[jimmy keys]

That's a terrible terrible thread

And to the guy offering Wall for Simmons... That's gotta be a joke, right?

The guy is elite at defending and passing, his team was one shot away from the finals and you are dumb enough to say that the "experiment" failed? LOL

What? they were "one shot away" from overtime in game 7. If they win that, they still have to play an entire series against maybe the best player in the league before getting to the finals.

I stand corrected, they lost a game in a game winning basket in the last second against the NBA champions that beat "THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE" by 4-2

OMG THEY DON'T WORK TOGETHER, TRADE SIMMONS

Terrible terrible take, you should be ashamed.

They should have traded Simmons for Kawhi when they had the chance. They'd have won it all last year and still had a solid foundation even if Butler & Kawhi both left.

[jimmy keys]

Simmons is a still an elite talent but he hasn't turned the corner to being an elite player... dude should be a walking triple double with a consistent 22/10/10.

Philly IMO built the team poorly this summer. I've been saying it but to make up for Simmons flaws, getting a trigger happy guard who can score, create, and initiate would have been ideal instead of Horford. Should have signed (or attempted to sign) D'lo and then moved Simmons to the 4. Embiid/Simmons/Harris/Richardson/Russell with a veteran bench to me would do more damage as long as D'lo kept up his level up play. Simmons is going to be the fall boy come playoffs.

That said, don't know how you trade him or for who.

Horford is a lot more impactful than D’Lo would be. It’s not like D’lo would be the go to scoring option over Embiid, or even Tobias, and our defense would suffer as a result. People act like perimeter shooting is our Achilles heal but we’re tied for 5th in 3pt%.

Ben’s shooting passivity is frustrating but there’s so much more to like. There’s no way we’re trading him.

Any idea why they didn't make a more aggressive run at Kemba? I'd like Kemba > Horford for them personally.