MJ VS LEBRON VS WHOEVER THREAD

[Jables]

Magic with 5 rings. He’s better than Lebron. Who else?

According to this thread, isn't Robert Horry one of the greatest?

Did you mispell Russell?

Jordan's bulls coasted to contention without him, Russell's celtics were average in his absence.

Do you have like, any concept of history?

Err do you have like, any concept of history? There were 6 teams in the playoffs when he played. **** there were about 2 more in the NBA at the start of the 60s. What the **** is coasting to contention? Losing in the second round to the Knicks, how we say things matters it turns out.

[Gooner]

Ironic from the Jordan fan whose attacking a non-homogeneous group of people because his airness has been slandered.

Roll your eyes all you want, but I’ve admitted on numerous occasions that I think Lebron has passed Jordan, when you consider the totality of their resumes in comparison to each other.

This entire thread is a microcosm of Lebron fans’ insecurities. By the way, I’m a Lakers fan, not a Jordan fan, but perhaps I should assume you are one of those insecure Lebron stans, since you incorrectly assumed I was a Jordan fan?

You can assume what you wish. At least I addressed someone specifcally, you just extrapolated a baseless conclusion about a massive portion of people from a handful of posts/users, a decent portion of which may or may not be serious.


Why exactly would lebron stans be inherently predisposed towards insecurity than like, any fanbase ever?

For the record I'm a Giannis-stan. And I'll be delighted when he sweeps the **** out of Lebron in the finals(assuming siakim or embid don't save lebum's skin)

Becasue you LeBron stans have for years lived under this illusion that LeBron is on similar level, or better than Jordan. It's hard to accept the reality.

[Ferulci]

Watch on YouTube

[freethedevil]

In fact before the 91-92 season half the experts selected the Blazers.

People who have no idea, tryin to make threads. TS is probably Nick Wright.

Favorites or not isn't relevant, that the worthy-less lakers wouldn't have competed with any of LBJ's final opponents and the blazers may have had a chance against only two is the far more compelling point. It isn't a mystery why Lebron had the objectively far more valuable career while winning less. If jordanites insist on acting like it is tho, they're welcome to reconcile that confusion with how they compare mj to kareem or russell.

If you want to call copper more valuable than diamonds because it makes you feel better then I’m not going to try changing your mind.

No, I'm saying that if you're trying to sell diamonds, having 50 is more valuable than having 30 where, if you look really close, you might be able to catch an infinitesimal degree of shine in one or two that isn't present in one of the aforementioned 50. That the first 50 diamonds were sold in a less attractive location really doesn't change that anyone who shares the objective of selling the diamonds(winning) is going to be picking the first batch as opposed to the second.

[J-Wolves]

Michael Jordan is a selfish prick. Us lowly basketball fans in the 90s didnt get to play as MJ in NBA Jam because he wanted too much money to be in the game. Good to see they made an arcade machine for Jordan, Gary Payton and Ken Griffey Jr though. Gary Payton still has 3 arcades of NBA Jam with Jordan in it.

[Jables]

Why are there so many threads about LeBron and Jordans finals records lately?

[70sFan]

Of course Russell is GOAT winner in all team sports history. On top of that, he won two of his titles as a player coach in times when it was definitely tougher to live for black superstar.

I have Russell slightly below Kareem and James due to his worse longevity, but I believe that he's the best player ever in terms of prime. Jordan is 4th on my list, clearly below Russell.

[freethedevil]

Roll your eyes all you want, but I’ve admitted on numerous occasions that I think Lebron has passed Jordan, when you consider the totality of their resumes in comparison to each other.

This entire thread is a microcosm of Lebron fans’ insecurities. By the way, I’m a Lakers fan, not a Jordan fan, but perhaps I should assume you are one of those insecure Lebron stans, since you incorrectly assumed I was a Jordan fan?

You can assume what you wish. At least I addressed someone specifcally, you just extrapolated a baseless conclusion about a massive portion of people from a handful of posts/users, a decent portion of which may or may not be serious.


Why exactly would lebron stans be inherently predisposed towards insecurity than like, any fanbase ever?

For the record I'm a Giannis-stan. And I'll be delighted when he sweeps the **** out of Lebron in the finals(assuming siakim or embid don't save lebum's skin)

Becasue you LeBron stans have for years lived under this illusion that LeBron is on similar level, or better than Jordan. It's hard to accept the reality.

Reality is what can be directly observed, not what can be assumed. All potential observations, to the best of what is possible, indicate Lebron had comparable or greater value at his peak and that his value took far longer to depreciate.

I'll grant you that here, value at peak is harder to discern unlike say, KG vs Kobe, where the former's superiority reamined true under a wide variety of contexts.

[70sFan]

According to this thread, isn't Robert Horry one of the greatest?

Did you mispell Russell?

Jordan's bulls coasted to contention without him, Russell's celtics were average in his absence.

Do you have like, any concept of history?

Err do you have like, any concept of history? There were 6 teams in the playoffs when he played. **** there were about 2 more in the NBA at the start of the 60s. What the **** is coasting to contention? Losing in the second round to the Knicks, how we say things matters it turns out.

Yeah, playing against expansion teams like 1993 Miami Heat made Bulls much harder to win title...

[Gooner]

You can assume what you wish. At least I addressed someone specifcally, you just extrapolated a baseless conclusion about a massive portion of people from a handful of posts/users, a decent portion of which may or may not be serious.


Why exactly would lebron stans be inherently predisposed towards insecurity than like, any fanbase ever?

For the record I'm a Giannis-stan. And I'll be delighted when he sweeps the **** out of Lebron in the finals(assuming siakim or embid don't save lebum's skin)

Becasue you LeBron stans have for years lived under this illusion that LeBron is on similar level, or better than Jordan. It's hard to accept the reality.

Reality is what can be directly observed, not what can be assumed. All potential observations, to the best of what is possible, indicate Lebron had comparable or greater value at his peak and that his value took far longer to depreciate.

I'll grant you that here, value at peak is harder to discern unlike say, KG vs Kobe, where the former's superiority reamined true under a wide variety of contexts.

Nothing indicates that LeBron had comparable career to Jordan other than empty stats in a weak era. There are few palyers in today's game putting up similar numbers to LeBron-Harden, Westbrook, Giannis, Doncic, Zion... LeBron's numbers are not the standard that's impossible to reach, but this is a team sport anyway, numbers don't matter.

[freethedevil]

Becasue you LeBron stans have for years lived under this illusion that LeBron is on similar level, or better than Jordan. It's hard to accept the reality.

Reality is what can be directly observed, not what can be assumed. All potential observations, to the best of what is possible, indicate Lebron had comparable or greater value at his peak and that his value took far longer to depreciate.

I'll grant you that here, value at peak is harder to discern unlike say, KG vs Kobe, where the former's superiority reamined true under a wide variety of contexts.

Nothing indicates that LeBron had comparable career to Jordan other than empty stats in a weak era.

Empty? Buddy, implying stats that are directly derived from winning is empty indicates you think winning is worthless.

Jordan was the one who played in expnasion, not lebron

[Gooner]

Reality is what can be directly observed, not what can be assumed. All potential observations, to the best of what is possible, indicate Lebron had comparable or greater value at his peak and that his value took far longer to depreciate.

I'll grant you that here, value at peak is harder to discern unlike say, KG vs Kobe, where the former's superiority reamined true under a wide variety of contexts.

Nothing indicates that LeBron had comparable career to Jordan other than empty stats in a weak era.

Empty? Buddy, implying stats that are directly derived from winning is empty indicates you think winning is worthless.

Jordan was the one who played in expnasion, not lebron

3-6 is not enough of a winning resume to be compared with Jordan, but you guys act like it doesn't matter because of the stats.

[freethedevil]

Nothing indicates that LeBron had comparable career to Jordan other than empty stats in a weak era.

Empty? Buddy, implying stats that are directly derived from winning is empty indicates you think winning is worthless.

Jordan was the one who played in expnasion, not lebron

3-6 is not enough of a winning resume to be compared with Jordan

There was a 6-4 and a 11 ring guy, my guy. Do be consistent.

but you guys act like it doesn't matter because of the stats.

Winning is a stat. One stat measures what 14 players achieve. The other measures what one player achieves. See the difference?

[Dino353]

Jordan was overrated, the no hand check rule came in the early 90’s. You couldn’t touch Jordan, you go back and watch some of those series agains the Knicks and Suns and it was comical how this guy was defended. Not to mention there was no zone in the 90’s meaning Jordan was able to go one on one against dwarfs while Kobe and LeBron came up being defended in zone defenses which allow double teams on the perimeter.

These Jordan loons will never admit it but the 90’s Era was like a cup of vodka filled with a ton of water. The product was diluted, 5-6 new teams added to the league just to fill out rosters with garbage players. The Bulls just kept on adding more and more pieces, David Stern made it be known in the 90’s that Jordan could not lose. The man would literally tell refs to not talk back to him and talk to them as if they were his child, he was a complete joke.

[Sark]

After first 3 games of 1991, never lost 3 in a row for 626 games. I'd say that's pretty good impact on winning.

Basically a Joe DiMaggio type of streak. You can put that in your simulations, and it will happen once every quadrillion times.

[KGtabake]

6/15>3/17 just saying.

Basically this lol
His post weakens lebron's case instead of boosting it.

[OdomFan]

Michael Jordan is a selfish prick. Us lowly basketball fans in the 90s didnt get to play as MJ in NBA Jam because he wanted too much money to be in the game. Good to see they made an arcade machine for Jordan, Gary Payton and Ken Griffey Jr though. Gary Payton still has 3 arcades of NBA Jam with Jordan in it.

I believe it was his brand that prevented him from getting his likeness in the game at that time. Not that he demanded money for it.

[Gooner]

Empty? Buddy, implying stats that are directly derived from winning is empty indicates you think winning is worthless.

Jordan was the one who played in expnasion, not lebron

3-6 is not enough of a winning resume to be compared with Jordan

There was a 6-4 and a 11 ring guy, my guy. Do be consistent.

but you guys act like it doesn't matter because of the stats.

Winning is a stat. One stat measures what 14 players achieve. The other measures what one player achieves. See the difference?

3-6 is not the only argument in favor of Jordan, don't get me wrong. But you have stated that LeBron's stats lead to winning, that's why I brought up his finals record.

This second statement is just ignorant. This is a team sport, no one does anything by himself. When LeBron stat pads his way to his obligatory 27-7-7 stat line, he does it in the presence of his 4 teammates on the court, and they actually help him when they play together believe it or not.

[Sark]

Jordan was overrated, the no hand check rule came in the early 90’s. You couldn’t touch Jordan, you go back and watch some of those series agains the Knicks and Suns and it was comical how this guy was defended. Not to mention there was no zone in the 90’s meaning Jordan was able to go one on one against dwarfs while Kobe and LeBron came up being defended in zone defenses which allow double teams on the perimeter.

These Jordan loons will never admit it but the 90’s Era was like a cup of vodka filled with a ton of water. The product was diluted, 5-6 new teams added to the league just to fill out rosters with garbage players. The Bulls just kept on adding more and more pieces, David Stern made it be known in the 90’s that Jordan could not lose. The man would literally tell refs to not talk back to him and talk to them as if they were his child, he was a complete joke.

Watch on YouTube

Watch it. They got clips from 93 finals

[freethedevil]

3-6 is not enough of a winning resume to be compared with Jordan

There was a 6-4 and a 11 ring guy, my guy. Do be consistent.

but you guys act like it doesn't matter because of the stats.

Winning is a stat. One stat measures what 14 players achieve. The other measures what one player achieves. See the difference?

3-6 is not the only argument in favor of Jordan, don't get me wrong. But you have stated that LeBron's stats lead to winning, that's why I brought up his finals record.

This second statement is just ignorant. This is a team sport, no one does anything by himself. When LeBron stat pads his way to his obligatory 27-7-7 stat line, he does it in the presence of his 4 teammates on the court, and they actually help him when they play together believe it or not.

I never cited or referenced lebron's box stats. It is kind of odd tho that his stat-padding correlates with a massive, unprecedented improvement in the margins his team wins by. How does one not contribute to winning while also making his team win faar more?