Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

LKN · Post #81 » by **LKN** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:16 pm

Two "good" days in a row for Italy... .might finally be some hope

Post #82 » by **Dirk** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:16 pm

Italy update

Current cases
50.418 (+3.780)

Deaths
6.077 (+601)

Recovered
7.432 (+408)

Intensive care
3.204 (+195)

Total cases: 63.927 (+4.789, +8,1%)

Spoiler:

Trending down.

mcmurphy · Post #83 » by **mcmurphy** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:17 pm

Italy data:
408 recovered
3780 increasing of positive active
602 death
------
4790 new positive (~-800 less positive)

LKN · Post #84 » by **LKN** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:17 pm

Dirk wrote:Italy updating the numbers right now

Current cases
50.418 (+3.780)

Deaths
6.077 (+601)

Recovered
7.432 (+408)

Intensive care
3.204 (+195)

Total cases: 63.927 (+4.789, +8,1%)
Spoiler:
Lombardia --- region that has been hardest hit, updated them.

New cases
today +1555
yesterday +1691
two days ago + 3200

Hospitalized
Today 9226
Yesterday 9439
(first time it dropped)

Trending down.

Yes! I was hoping yesterday was not a 1 day anomaly. Might finally be some hope there of getting this under control.

Xpressure · Post #85 » by **Xpressure** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:19 pm

Jordan-esque wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

This Pandemic isn’t going to get better anytime soon

Airlines don’t care, they’re even promoting free round trip to get more people in

Post #86 » by **KingDavid** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:30 pm

Had a serious warning written up about plaquenil (cholorquine) poisoning since automaticity is my specialty. Then the browser refreshed and it's all gone. Any drug that can easily be overdosed like this one is dangerous due to its very narrow toxicity zone. Any drug like this one that prolongs your QT interval from overdose is super dangerous to take without direction from a doctor...do not take this drug without a 12-lead EKG screening from a doctor and have them ok it. An overdose could easily cause you to slip into Torsades, a nasty ventricular arrythmia. You can kiss the baby once that happens.

Bandit King · Post #87 » by **Bandit King** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:31 pm

Lupus Patients Can’t Get Crucial Medication After President Trump Pushes Unproven Coronavirus Treatment

https://www.propublica.org/article/lupus-patients-cant-get-crucial-medication-after-president-trump-pushes-unproven-coronavirus-treatment

HollowEarth · Post #88 » by **HollowEarth** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:35 pm

Bandit King wrote:
Richfield wrote:Spring breakers testing positive..

And there are other articles similar about spring breakers testing positive..

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-spring-break-test-positive-covid-19-college-students-not-social-distancing-university-of-tampa/

"Many millennials and even younger people might be ignoring these social distancing warnings because they think coronavirus won't affect them — but they're wrong. While patients age 60 or older or those with underlying health issues face the highest risk of death from the virus, younger people are also getting seriously ill. Nearly one-third of confirmed cases in the U.S., and 20% of those hospitalized, were between the ages 20 and 44, according to CDC data released last week."

So younger adults actually accounted for a large portion of the hospitalizations. Spring-breakers who did not practice social distancing could have done more damage than they thought.

It's baffling that folks don't take this more seriously. We got to watch China, Italy, and Iran screw it up.

Most of the people I've seen shopping are being responsible. They come in alone or as a couple, they don't stand too close to folks, they wipe their buggies down before they start shopping, they buy a solid week's worth of groceries, they don't try to hoard anything, they cover up sneezes. But I've seen some goofy attitudes. I saw three teenage girls who came in for quite some time, and seemed to only get cookies and bottled coffee. Bake your own damn cookies! I've seen quite a few familes, 5+ people, all come into the store together. One of those parents can watch the kids at home. I saw one dude try to get around the bread limit, by bringing several different brands of bread and arguing that they were different items, before finally walking out empty-handed. That's zero loaves now. Weirdest one, was I had a woman that wanted me to load furniture into her car. I explained about how contagious the virus is, and the high possibility for WalMart workers to carry it, and why I wouldn't go into her car. She was like, "Oh!" and didn't give me an attitude, but it struck me as weird that she'd even ask. Like, you don't invite the plague doctor into your house.

Bandit King · Post #89 » by **Bandit King** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:40 pm

I just want some cream cheese and coffee creamer but I'm under lockdown in Illinois!

mkot · Post #90 » by **mkot** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:41 pm

601 new death and 4,789 new cases today so far reported in Italy. 2 days in a row the numbers has declined. Even if it's just slightly this is welcome news that the Italian and the World desperatly needed...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

mcmurphy · Post #91 » by **mcmurphy** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:47 pm

spacemonkey wrote:
inquisitive wrote:Italy has a large elderly population and from my time vacationing there...many people there smoke just like in Spain.

The two places hardest hit where we get most of our numbers (Italy and China), basically any man over 60 smoked *a lot*, hence the very high ratio of male to female deaths.

the smokers in the age group 64+yo in Italy are the 10% (so not so many smokers)... is not more the '80s

Triples333 · Post #92 » by **Triples333** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:47 pm

LKN wrote:
Dirk wrote:Italy updating the numbers right now

Current cases
50.418 (+3.780)

Deaths
6.077 (+601)

Recovered
7.432 (+408)

Intensive care
3.204 (+195)

Total cases: 63.927 (+4.789, +8,1%)
Spoiler:
Lombardia --- region that has been hardest hit, updated them.

New cases
today +1555
yesterday +1691
two days ago + 3200

Hospitalized
Today 9226
Yesterday 9439
(first time it dropped)

Trending down.

Yes! I was hoping yesterday was not a 1 day anomaly. Might finally be some hope there of getting this under control.

They are on a tighter lockdown than the USA. The numbers of deaths and severe hospitalizations were going to drop so long as they stayed that way, but, at some point we have to get back to work and the problem will only ramp right back up at that point unless measures are put into place (that is what I belive needs to be done though).

IMO the response here (when we are ready to return) needs to be A) mandatory free testing by the government for those handling food or money to the public as well as mandatory free N95 masks for those workers (Stanford medicine just released a new method to be able to clean these without compromising their integrity, which is massive). Once we have the ability to test all of these workers (potentially on a weekly basis if need be. And I do know of countries MASS producing ultra quick test kits already, so this may be feasible at some point soon), then we need to resume work ASAP. Too many businesses will go under and it will simply cripple the American economy if we let this go on for too long. Trillion dollar stimulus packages are not the answer either. Furthering America's debt and creating eventual mass inflation is how nations can be ruined.

For those at the highest risk, the quarantine should also continue until hospitals and all of us in general have a tighter grip on the situation as a whole. A stimulus package specifically tailored to the high risk citizens being something congress could enact if they are indeed quarantined for extra months, although for those retired and already receiving pention and/or social security, this is unnecessary (and that will be a large portion of this group).

This is not some plan that I have ironed out, but it is the direction that we HAVE to be aiming to head and ASAP if we want life to resume at the quality we were accustomed to. Because if we get to month 3-4 of this and small businesses across the nation are forced to close en masse, then Covid will be the least of our worries.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #93 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:51 pm

Read on Twitter

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Sisqo · Post #94 » by **Sisqo** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:55 pm

Another "shut down". Ontario just announced the mandatory closure of all non essential business as of midnight Tuesday.

LKN · Post #95 » by **LKN** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:02 pm

Triples333 wrote:
LKN wrote:
Dirk wrote:Italy updating the numbers right now

Current cases
50.418 (+3.780)

Deaths
6.077 (+601)

Recovered
7.432 (+408)

Intensive care
3.204 (+195)

Total cases: 63.927 (+4.789, +8,1%)
Spoiler:
Lombardia --- region that has been hardest hit, updated them.

New cases
today +1555
yesterday +1691
two days ago + 3200

Hospitalized
Today 9226
Yesterday 9439
(first time it dropped)

Trending down.

Yes! I was hoping yesterday was not a 1 day anomaly. Might finally be some hope there of getting this under control.

They are on a tighter lockdown than the USA. The numbers of deaths and severe hospitalizations were going to drop so long as they stayed that way, but, at some point we have to get back to work and the problem will only ramp right back up at that point unless measures are put into place (that is what I belive needs to be done though).

IMO the response here (when we are ready to return) needs to be A) mandatory free testing by the government for those handling food or money to the public as well as mandatory free N95 masks for those workers (Stanford medicine just released a new method to be able to clean these without compromising their integrity, which is massive). Once we have the ability to test all of these workers (potentially on a weekly basis if need be. And I do know of countries MASS producing ultra quick test kits already, so this may be feasible at some point soon), then we need to resume work ASAP. Too many businesses will go under and it will simply cripple the American economy if we let this go on for too long. Trillion dollar stimulus packages are not the answer either. Furthering America's debt and creating eventual mass inflation is how nations can be ruined.

For those at the highest risk, the quarantine should also continue until hospitals and all of us in general have a tighter grip on the situation as a whole. A stimulus package specifically tailored to the high risk citizens being something congress could enact if they are indeed quarantined for extra months, although for those retired and already receiving pention and/or social security, this is unnecessary (and that will be a large portion of this group).

This is not some plan that I have ironed out, but it is the direction that we HAVE to be aiming to head and ASAP if we want life to resume at the quality we were accustomed to. Because if we get to month 3-4 of this and small businesses across the nation are forced to close en masse, then Covid will be the least of our worries.

I'm not expert - but my plan would be:

- Super strict lockdown to try and get this under control in the shortest time possible
- Massive ramp up of test capacity
- Large scale coordinated mass testing operation including tracing and quarantine
- Attempt to transition to a South Korea model once we get things under control

I'm hoping we can get this under control in 2-3 months. My fear is that we are still testing almost no one outside of NY and there are probably a bunch of places about to get blindsided. I bet you we'll have places where we learn how bad it is simply because a bunch of people show up at the hospital.

Van_Trump · Post #96 » by **Van_Trump** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:05 pm

Interesting if true: loss of sense of smell may be warning that you have the virus even with no other symptoms.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/health/coronavirus-symptoms-smell-intl/index.html

Also, I had an idea for the NBA if they decide to play a fund-raising game in an audience free court:

Place video monitors in the lower bowl seats, together with speakers.
People buy "tickets" to have their faces and voices in the court so the players can see and hear them via web cam.

Game is broadcast normally and people appearing in the "stands" can be seen on TV. You could even have celebrities on court side monitors just like regular games.

You could sell tickets for each quarter so the faces change as the game proceeds. You would have to have a strict no advertising policy. Very easy to kick someone out of the stadium for misbehavior, lol.

Ainosterhaspie · Post #97 » by **Ainosterhaspie** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:06 pm

Bandit King wrote:Lupus Patients Can’t Get Crucial Medication After President Trump Pushes Unproven Coronavirus Treatment

https://www.propublica.org/article/lupus-patients-cant-get-crucial-medication-after-president-trump-pushes-unproven-coronavirus-treatment

Are you aware that Cuomo ordered 70,000 doses for a clinical trial. Did you take note of the example earlier in the thread of a man who's life appears to have been saved when he was treated with it after all other options were exhausted? By February 27, long before Trump memtioned it, there were 10 studies looking into it as a treatment. It is being used in China and South Korea as a treatment for Covid where "guidelines already outline the use of chloroquine as an 'effective treatment' ". And as the previous link details, the French were looking into it as a treatment option prior to Trump saying anything, and had positive results.

Optimus_Steel · Post #98 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:18 pm

Two of Sen. Rand Paul's colleagues in the Senate are calling him out after he reportedly refused to isolate himself after testing for the coronavirus.

Paul, a Republican from Kentucky who later tested positive for the coronavirus, continued to go out in public and used the Senate's pool and gym after being tested, according to Washington Post reporter Seung Min Kim.

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, a Democrat from Arizona, said on Twitter that while she has "never commented about a fellow Senator's choices/actions," Paul's actions were "absolutely irresponsible."

"You cannot be near other people while waiting for coronavirus test results," said Sinema, who has been outspoken about the need for social distancing to curb the effects of the coronavirus epidemic. "It endangers others & likely increases the spread of the virus."

Sen. Martha McSally, a Republican from Arizona, said she "couldn't agree more" with Sinema.

"As we ask all Americans to sacrifice their livelihoods and alter their behavior to save lives, we must ourselves model appropriate #coronavirus behavior," McSally said in a tweet. "No one is too important to disregard guidance to self-quarantine pending test results."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/absolutely-irresponsible-rand-pauls-colleagues-145950404.html

There was agreement on the senate on one thing, that Rand Paul was irresponsible.

Post #99 » by **Dirk** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:21 pm

LKN wrote:
Triples333 wrote:
LKN wrote:
Yes! I was hoping yesterday was not a 1 day anomaly. Might finally be some hope there of getting this under control.

They are on a tighter lockdown than the USA. The numbers of deaths and severe hospitalizations were going to drop so long as they stayed that way, but, at some point we have to get back to work and the problem will only ramp right back up at that point unless measures are put into place (that is what I belive needs to be done though).

IMO the response here (when we are ready to return) needs to be A) mandatory free testing by the government for those handling food or money to the public as well as mandatory free N95 masks for those workers (Stanford medicine just released a new method to be able to clean these without compromising their integrity, which is massive). Once we have the ability to test all of these workers (potentially on a weekly basis if need be. And I do know of countries MASS producing ultra quick test kits already, so this may be feasible at some point soon), then we need to resume work ASAP. Too many businesses will go under and it will simply cripple the American economy if we let this go on for too long. Trillion dollar stimulus packages are not the answer either. Furthering America's debt and creating eventual mass inflation is how nations can be ruined.

For those at the highest risk, the quarantine should also continue until hospitals and all of us in general have a tighter grip on the situation as a whole. A stimulus package specifically tailored to the high risk citizens being something congress could enact if they are indeed quarantined for extra months, although for those retired and already receiving pention and/or social security, this is unnecessary (and that will be a large portion of this group).

This is not some plan that I have ironed out, but it is the direction that we HAVE to be aiming to head and ASAP if we want life to resume at the quality we were accustomed to. Because if we get to month 3-4 of this and small businesses across the nation are forced to close en masse, then Covid will be the least of our worries.

I'm not expert - but my plan would be:

- Super strict lockdown to try and get this under control in the shortest time possible
- Massive ramp up of test capacity
- Large scale coordinated mass testing operation including tracing and quarantine
- Attempt to transition to a South Korea model once we get things under control

I'm hoping we can get this under control in 2-3 months. My fear is that we are still testing almost no one outside of NY and there are probably a bunch of places about to get blindsided. I bet you we'll have places where we learn how bad it is simply because a bunch of people show up at the hospital.

This paper touches on this. You can see the different scenarios.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

The conclusion,

Uncharted territory.

Xpressure · Post #100 » by **Xpressure** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:21 pm

Jordan-esque wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

This Pandemic isn’t going to get better anytime soon

Airlines don’t care, they’re even promoting free round trip to get more people in