ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion

[WalkOnAir]

Anybody knows if this will be released on Blu-ray in the future? I want to buy the whole set.

Do they still make Blu-rays?

I guess I'm oldschool. I still have my Jordan & NBA VHS tapes as well. lol

[LakerLegend]

This dude couldn't win without Pippen lol.

LeBron couldn't win without PED's and Super Teams.

[Jaqua92]

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[Jaqua92]

Read on Twitter

And he played WITH peak LeBron. Someone check on Heej

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[California Gold]

This dude couldn't win without Pippen lol.

That's great, they still went on to get eliminated in the 2nd round tho. No one could do it without help, but this post will explain why Jordan mentally needed Pippen more than other superstars needed their sidekick.

What people don't understand, and what I didn't really get until watching KD win in 2017, is that so much of a team's capacity is defined by the roles that people play. And I don't mean the typical conception where there's stars and role players, I mean the literal high level strategic and communication based roles on a basketball team.

People think KD had potentially the GOAT Finals in 2017 looking at numbers only because he put up crazy high volume on God-tier efficiency, while taking on the assignment of guarding LeBron on many possessions. But to people who watched that Finals it was painfully obvious that the most important Golden State player was Curry, because the whole offense ran through him and the whole Cavs defense sold out to stop him at the expense of leaving KD on an island.

This is where the idea of roles and responsibilities came to light for me, because the game was extremely simplified for KD by having Curry on the offensive end functioning as the team's primary playmaker; which freed up energy for KD to purely score. And I don't mean physical energy either, for anyone who's played and has heard these players talk about playing at a high level, there's an emotional energy expenditure involved with setting up your team's offensive sets and putting people in the right position to score. Curry assumed that strategic role for the team and bore the mental burden for KD. This concept is extremely relevant to MJ as I'll get into later.

On the flipside, on defense communication and putting people in the right spots and calling out opposing sets has even more of a premium placed on it, and the energy expenditure from that is even greater. But people who are able to fulfill that middle linebacker-esque role are hugely valuable. JR Smith mentioned it in one of their post game interviews how LeBron makes everyone on the court a step faster on defense because he's always telling people where to be. Just the mental expenditure from that alone is naturally going to drain yourself from other facets of the game. It's the same role that Draymond played on the Warriors; and as Phil Jackson wrote in Eleven Rings, Scottie was the one who assumed the middle linebacker role on the Bulls and put everyone in the right spot.

However, along with being the defensive playcaller, Scottie was also mentioned as being the primary offensive playcaller and facilitator putting teammates (i.e. Jordan) in their best positions to score. So here we have a guy in Jordan, who like KD, Is placed in the most optimal environment to focus on his own scoring and his own assignments and basically only have to play the role of main scorer; while Scottie filled in every other primary role (which I define as offensive playcaller, defensive playcaller, main individual defender).

This is why MJ was never able to find the right balance as a player and fully succeed from a team standpoint, even when given point guard duties, because he mentally was not cut out to assume the other primary roles within a team construct. He was a virtuoso individual force, he even mentioned as much that he was primarily focused on understanding how to attack his own man, but he couldn't fully maximize those other main attributes necessary to elevate his teammates and could really only focus on the main scorer and occasionally main iso defender role. This is why he needed Scottie because Scottie was essentially the coach on the floor that a team needs which MJ wasn't capable of filling, but that's something LeBron's developed himself into where he can fill in those cracks no matter where he goes.

This is why MJ needed Scottie, because he was literally incapable of doing the floor general things to a high level that Scottie was able to do. And this is honestly why I think he had such an easy time of it in his career because he was placed in literally the most optimal position for a player of his disposition and tendencies. Jordan fans really hate this argument though, but it's whatever to me lol. This is the main reason why I put LeBron over Jordan slightly even though I think Jordan could very well be the better individual player. He just was way too specialized and we never got to see him in a suboptimal situation during his prime the way LeBron was forced to on many occasions.

I'm sure y'all will see more throughout the documentary and there will be things said in interviews that really confirm the importance of the roles Pippen played on the team. This is a big reason why MJ said you need to mention Scottie's name with his, because there's a mental/emotional load aspect to the game that most vlog bois don't really comprehend. But until then I'm sure insecure Jordan stans are gonna try to flame/troll me incessantly after getting their feelings hurt by this take.

Yikes, the irony. Insecurity is pretty strong with this post. It also reeks of bias.

[Jaqua92]

This dude couldn't win without Pippen lol.

That's great, they still went on to get eliminated in the 2nd round tho. No one could do it without help, but this post will explain why Jordan mentally needed Pippen more than other superstars needed their sidekick.

What people don't understand, and what I didn't really get until watching KD win in 2017, is that so much of a team's capacity is defined by the roles that people play. And I don't mean the typical conception where there's stars and role players, I mean the literal high level strategic and communication based roles on a basketball team.

People think KD had potentially the GOAT Finals in 2017 looking at numbers only because he put up crazy high volume on God-tier efficiency, while taking on the assignment of guarding LeBron on many possessions. But to people who watched that Finals it was painfully obvious that the most important Golden State player was Curry, because the whole offense ran through him and the whole Cavs defense sold out to stop him at the expense of leaving KD on an island.

This is where the idea of roles and responsibilities came to light for me, because the game was extremely simplified for KD by having Curry on the offensive end functioning as the team's primary playmaker; which freed up energy for KD to purely score. And I don't mean physical energy either, for anyone who's played and has heard these players talk about playing at a high level, there's an emotional energy expenditure involved with setting up your team's offensive sets and putting people in the right position to score. Curry assumed that strategic role for the team and bore the mental burden for KD. This concept is extremely relevant to MJ as I'll get into later.

On the flipside, on defense communication and putting people in the right spots and calling out opposing sets has even more of a premium placed on it, and the energy expenditure from that is even greater. But people who are able to fulfill that middle linebacker-esque role are hugely valuable. JR Smith mentioned it in one of their post game interviews how LeBron makes everyone on the court a step faster on defense because he's always telling people where to be. Just the mental expenditure from that alone is naturally going to drain yourself from other facets of the game. It's the same role that Draymond played on the Warriors; and as Phil Jackson wrote in Eleven Rings, Scottie was the one who assumed the middle linebacker role on the Bulls and put everyone in the right spot.

However, along with being the defensive playcaller, Scottie was also mentioned as being the primary offensive playcaller and facilitator putting teammates (i.e. Jordan) in their best positions to score. So here we have a guy in Jordan, who like KD, Is placed in the most optimal environment to focus on his own scoring and his own assignments and basically only have to play the role of main scorer; while Scottie filled in every other primary role (which I define as offensive playcaller, defensive playcaller, main individual defender).

This is why MJ was never able to find the right balance as a player and fully succeed from a team standpoint, even when given point guard duties, because he mentally was not cut out to assume the other primary roles within a team construct. He was a virtuoso individual force, he even mentioned as much that he was primarily focused on understanding how to attack his own man, but he couldn't fully maximize those other main attributes necessary to elevate his teammates and could really only focus on the main scorer and occasionally main iso defender role. This is why he needed Scottie because Scottie was essentially the coach on the floor that a team needs which MJ wasn't capable of filling, but that's something LeBron's developed himself into where he can fill in those cracks no matter where he goes.

This is why MJ needed Scottie, because he was literally incapable of doing the floor general things to a high level that Scottie was able to do. And this is honestly why I think he had such an easy time of it in his career because he was placed in literally the most optimal position for a player of his disposition and tendencies. Jordan fans really hate this argument though, but it's whatever to me lol. This is the main reason why I put LeBron over Jordan slightly even though I think Jordan could very well be the better individual player. He just was way too specialized and we never got to see him in a suboptimal situation during his prime the way LeBron was forced to on many occasions.

I'm sure y'all will see more throughout the documentary and there will be things said in interviews that really confirm the importance of the roles Pippen played on the team. This is a big reason why MJ said you need to mention Scottie's name with his, because there's a mental/emotional load aspect to the game that most vlog bois don't really comprehend. But until then I'm sure insecure Jordan stans are gonna try to flame/troll me incessantly after getting their feelings hurt by this take.

Christ, give it a rest. You are the one trolling. Posting paragraphs about why LeBron is greater, in a Michael Jordan documentary thread. You clearly are struggling with the "GOAT" attention Jordan is getting right now.

Dude, seriously...get a freaking grip and hold of yourself. LeBron has nothing to do with this thread.

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[Heej]

That's great, they still went on to get eliminated in the 2nd round tho. No one could do it without help, but this post will explain why Jordan mentally needed Pippen more than other superstars needed their sidekick.

What people don't understand, and what I didn't really get until watching KD win in 2017, is that so much of a team's capacity is defined by the roles that people play. And I don't mean the typical conception where there's stars and role players, I mean the literal high level strategic and communication based roles on a basketball team.

People think KD had potentially the GOAT Finals in 2017 looking at numbers only because he put up crazy high volume on God-tier efficiency, while taking on the assignment of guarding LeBron on many possessions. But to people who watched that Finals it was painfully obvious that the most important Golden State player was Curry, because the whole offense ran through him and the whole Cavs defense sold out to stop him at the expense of leaving KD on an island.

This is where the idea of roles and responsibilities came to light for me, because the game was extremely simplified for KD by having Curry on the offensive end functioning as the team's primary playmaker; which freed up energy for KD to purely score. And I don't mean physical energy either, for anyone who's played and has heard these players talk about playing at a high level, there's an emotional energy expenditure involved with setting up your team's offensive sets and putting people in the right position to score. Curry assumed that strategic role for the team and bore the mental burden for KD. This concept is extremely relevant to MJ as I'll get into later.

On the flipside, on defense communication and putting people in the right spots and calling out opposing sets has even more of a premium placed on it, and the energy expenditure from that is even greater. But people who are able to fulfill that middle linebacker-esque role are hugely valuable. JR Smith mentioned it in one of their post game interviews how LeBron makes everyone on the court a step faster on defense because he's always telling people where to be. Just the mental expenditure from that alone is naturally going to drain yourself from other facets of the game. It's the same role that Draymond played on the Warriors; and as Phil Jackson wrote in Eleven Rings, Scottie was the one who assumed the middle linebacker role on the Bulls and put everyone in the right spot.

However, along with being the defensive playcaller, Scottie was also mentioned as being the primary offensive playcaller and facilitator putting teammates (i.e. Jordan) in their best positions to score. So here we have a guy in Jordan, who like KD, Is placed in the most optimal environment to focus on his own scoring and his own assignments and basically only have to play the role of main scorer; while Scottie filled in every other primary role (which I define as offensive playcaller, defensive playcaller, main individual defender).

This is why MJ was never able to find the right balance as a player and fully succeed from a team standpoint, even when given point guard duties, because he mentally was not cut out to assume the other primary roles within a team construct. He was a virtuoso individual force, he even mentioned as much that he was primarily focused on understanding how to attack his own man, but he couldn't fully maximize those other main attributes necessary to elevate his teammates and could really only focus on the main scorer and occasionally main iso defender role. This is why he needed Scottie because Scottie was essentially the coach on the floor that a team needs which MJ wasn't capable of filling, but that's something LeBron's developed himself into where he can fill in those cracks no matter where he goes.

This is why MJ needed Scottie, because he was literally incapable of doing the floor general things to a high level that Scottie was able to do. And this is honestly why I think he had such an easy time of it in his career because he was placed in literally the most optimal position for a player of his disposition and tendencies. Jordan fans really hate this argument though, but it's whatever to me lol. This is the main reason why I put LeBron over Jordan slightly even though I think Jordan could very well be the better individual player. He just was way too specialized and we never got to see him in a suboptimal situation during his prime the way LeBron was forced to on many occasions.

I'm sure y'all will see more throughout the documentary and there will be things said in interviews that really confirm the importance of the roles Pippen played on the team. This is a big reason why MJ said you need to mention Scottie's name with his, because there's a mental/emotional load aspect to the game that most vlog bois don't really comprehend. But until then I'm sure insecure Jordan stans are gonna try to flame/troll me incessantly after getting their feelings hurt by this take.

Christ, give it a rest. You are the one trolling. Posting paragraphs about why LeBron is greater, in a Michael Jordan documentary thread. You clearly are struggling with the "GOAT" attention Jordan is getting right now.

Dude, seriously...get a freaking grip and hold of yourself. LeBron has nothing to do with this thread.

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Actually, you're right I didn't need to bring LeBron into that analysis. Tbh the only time I ever whip those points out is when there's a debate so I think muscle memory just kicked in and I ended up throwing him in there.

That being said, my points still stand. MJ needed a far more specific set of criteria fulfilled by his supporting cast than most other superstars. He may have the highest ceiling in an optimal situation, I can certainly buy that argument if that's the route someone wants to take; but there's a higher degree of difficulty involved with putting together a supporting cast for MJ than there is for others whom he's compared to.

[Sprewell4Three]

Actually, you're right I didn't need to bring LeBron into that analysis. Tbh the only time I ever whip those points out is when there's a debate so I think muscle memory just kicked in and I ended up throwing him in there.

That being said, my points still stand. MJ needed a far more specific set of criteria fulfilled by his supporting cast than most other superstars. He may have the highest ceiling in an optimal situation, I can certainly buy that argument if that's the route someone wants to take; but there's a higher degree of difficulty involved with putting together a supporting cast for MJ than there is for others whom he's compared to.

Jordan played a total of 41,011 mins (1,072 games) in his career. LeBron matched Jordan's mins played on 03/30/17 with 4.33 mins remaining in the 3rd qtr. I went to LeBron's game logs and play-by-play to calculate all his stats with the same exact minutes played to get an accurate figure. Since LeBron played slightly more mins per game, he only played 1,055 games when he matched Jordan's mins played. Well, the verdict is in, and it's a shocker! Jordan leads in nearly every single statistic there is. LeBron will eventually end up passing most of Jordan's statistics, but only because he played longer. Anything LeBron does from here on out will add to his career, but it will never get him closer to Jordan's legacy. That ship has sailed. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________



NBA REGULAR SEASON: Jordan & LeBron both 41,011 mins played.. Notice how Jordan still trumps LeBron in 8 of 12 categories despite playing 4 less minutes per game AND including his old man Washington Wizards years that brought down his stats. LeBron's averages do not include old years yet.



Jordan: 30.1 ppg, 1.6 orpg, 4.7 drpg, 5.7 apg, 2.3 spg, 0.8 bpg, .497 fg%, .327 3pt%, .835 ft%, .584 ts%, 2.7 tov, 28.6 PER, 38.3 mpg

LeBron: 27.1 ppg, 1.2 orpg, 6.0 drpg, 7.0 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg, .500 fg%, .341 3pt%, .748 ft%, .581 ts%, 3.5 tov, 27.4 PER, 42.5 mpg



Reg Season Scoring: Jordan 4th (32,292 pnts) ...LeBron 10th (28,578 pnts)



Reg Season Off Rebs: Jordan 168th (1,668 off rebs) ...LeBron (1,276 off rebs) not in top 250th



Reg Season Def Rebs: Jordan 76th (5,004 def rebs)... LeBron 40th (6,359 def rebs)



Reg Season Assists: Jordan 43rd (5,633 asts)... LeBron 12th (7,405 asts) (only because he plays POINT Forward, passes more, had better shooters & assists are now called differently)



Reg Season Steals: Jordan 3rd (2,514 stls) ...LeBron 22nd (1,741 stls)



Reg Season Blocks: Jordan 110th (893 blks) ...LeBron 129th (813 blks)



Reg Season Turnovers: Jordan 29th (2,924 tov's) ...LeBron 10th (3,596 tov's)



Reg Season Win Shares: Jordan 4th (214.02) ...LeBron 7th (203.85)



Reg Season Off Win Shares: Jordan 4th (149.88) ...LeBron 6th (142.70)



Reg Season Def Win Shares: Jordan 22nd (64.13) ...LeBron 29th (61.16)



Reg Season PER: Jordan 1st (27.91) ...LeBron 2nd (27.60)



Note: What took Jordan 41,011 minutes to accomplish will take Lebron at least 5,550 more mins or 150+ more games than Jordan played to accomplish, despite LeBron's skewed & over-inflated stats in a pitiful, putrid, horrid, atrocious, abysmal Eastern Conference his entire career, while playing with creampuff rules changes that prohibit players from touching anyone without an assault charge in this free flowing freedom of movement soft era, AND having a 2 year head start coming out of high school, AND then Jordan's decreased stats as an old man with the Wizards, AND Jordan playing in a BRUTAL eastern conference his entire career, AND dealing with 'the Jordan Rules', AND dealing with the NBA trying to stop Jordan with verbatim "The Jordan Rule", AND Jordan missing 64 games in his 2nd year to a career threatening foot injury, AND Jordan missing 2 years of his absolute prime to baseball due to his fathers murder. People are clearly prisoners of the moment. Enough with the 'Next Jordan's. They have all come up way short. It aint gonna happen. Jordan has "cemented" his legacy as the GOAT.

[TOStateofMind]

These poor Lebron stans, they’re not gonna make it to the end of this series

[Repeat 3-peat]

Is this thread really going to become a "debate thread"?

[NaturalThunder]

Is this thread really going to become a "debate thread"?

Does that surprise you?

I'm actually surprised it took until the 2nd or 3rd page for it to turn into a "Jordan vs. LeBron" thread.

[durden_tyler]

These poor Lebron stans, they’re not gonna make it to the end of this series

As i've said this documentary is great for reality check on the LeBron fanboys. All the evidence in a 10-part documentary, they can't take it

[MrPerfect1]

Jordan was Great but his competitiveness was super overrated. Truly competitive people don't retire in their Prime because they get tired of winning. The truly competitive relish stomping their opponents face in the mud and love doing so as long as they can.

For example, Alexander the Great supposedly wept after he seemingly conquered everything because there was nothing left to do. He didn't retire after his campaign when it was only 70% done because he was tired of conquering.

[durden_tyler]

Jordan was Great but his competitiveness was super overrated. Truly competitive people don't retire in their Prime because they get tired of winning. The truly competitive relish stomping their opponents face in the mud and love doing so as long as they can.

For example, Alexander the Great supposedly wept after he seemingly conquered everything because there was nothing left to do. He didn't retire after his campaign when it was only 70% done because he was tired of conquering.

Was Alexander the Great suspended from gambling?

[Run DLC]

I didn’t need to see the documentary series to convince me of what I already know. MJ’s aura was just different than anyone else. He would have this current soft league at the palm of his hand. The real GOAT and always will be.

[MrPerfect1]

Jordan was Great but his competitiveness was super overrated. Truly competitive people don't retire in their Prime because they get tired of winning. The truly competitive relish stomping their opponents face in the mud and love doing so as long as they can.

For example, Alexander the Great supposedly wept after he seemingly conquered everything because there was nothing left to do. He didn't retire after his campaign when it was only 70% done because he was tired of conquering.

Was Alexander the Great suspended from gambling?

Nope and neither was Jordan. Although, you are free to link to any official NBA announcement where they announced Jordan's suspension and I will immediately admit to being wrong

[Marcus_Shart]

That's great, they still went on to get eliminated in the 2nd round tho. No one could do it without help, but this post will explain why Jordan mentally needed Pippen more than other superstars needed their sidekick.

What people don't understand, and what I didn't really get until watching KD win in 2017, is that so much of a team's capacity is defined by the roles that people play. And I don't mean the typical conception where there's stars and role players, I mean the literal high level strategic and communication based roles on a basketball team.

People think KD had potentially the GOAT Finals in 2017 looking at numbers only because he put up crazy high volume on God-tier efficiency, while taking on the assignment of guarding LeBron on many possessions. But to people who watched that Finals it was painfully obvious that the most important Golden State player was Curry, because the whole offense ran through him and the whole Cavs defense sold out to stop him at the expense of leaving KD on an island.

This is where the idea of roles and responsibilities came to light for me, because the game was extremely simplified for KD by having Curry on the offensive end functioning as the team's primary playmaker; which freed up energy for KD to purely score. And I don't mean physical energy either, for anyone who's played and has heard these players talk about playing at a high level, there's an emotional energy expenditure involved with setting up your team's offensive sets and putting people in the right position to score. Curry assumed that strategic role for the team and bore the mental burden for KD. This concept is extremely relevant to MJ as I'll get into later.

On the flipside, on defense communication and putting people in the right spots and calling out opposing sets has even more of a premium placed on it, and the energy expenditure from that is even greater. But people who are able to fulfill that middle linebacker-esque role are hugely valuable. JR Smith mentioned it in one of their post game interviews how LeBron makes everyone on the court a step faster on defense because he's always telling people where to be. Just the mental expenditure from that alone is naturally going to drain yourself from other facets of the game. It's the same role that Draymond played on the Warriors; and as Phil Jackson wrote in Eleven Rings, Scottie was the one who assumed the middle linebacker role on the Bulls and put everyone in the right spot.

However, along with being the defensive playcaller, Scottie was also mentioned as being the primary offensive playcaller and facilitator putting teammates (i.e. Jordan) in their best positions to score. So here we have a guy in Jordan, who like KD, Is placed in the most optimal environment to focus on his own scoring and his own assignments and basically only have to play the role of main scorer; while Scottie filled in every other primary role (which I define as offensive playcaller, defensive playcaller, main individual defender).

This is why MJ was never able to find the right balance as a player and fully succeed from a team standpoint, even when given point guard duties, because he mentally was not cut out to assume the other primary roles within a team construct. He was a virtuoso individual force, he even mentioned as much that he was primarily focused on understanding how to attack his own man, but he couldn't fully maximize those other main attributes necessary to elevate his teammates and could really only focus on the main scorer and occasionally main iso defender role. This is why he needed Scottie because Scottie was essentially the coach on the floor that a team needs which MJ wasn't capable of filling, but that's something LeBron's developed himself into where he can fill in those cracks no matter where he goes.

This is why MJ needed Scottie, because he was literally incapable of doing the floor general things to a high level that Scottie was able to do. And this is honestly why I think he had such an easy time of it in his career because he was placed in literally the most optimal position for a player of his disposition and tendencies. Jordan fans really hate this argument though, but it's whatever to me lol. This is the main reason why I put LeBron over Jordan slightly even though I think Jordan could very well be the better individual player. He just was way too specialized and we never got to see him in a suboptimal situation during his prime the way LeBron was forced to on many occasions.

I'm sure y'all will see more throughout the documentary and there will be things said in interviews that really confirm the importance of the roles Pippen played on the team. This is a big reason why MJ said you need to mention Scottie's name with his, because there's a mental/emotional load aspect to the game that most vlog bois don't really comprehend. But until then I'm sure insecure Jordan stans are gonna try to flame/troll me incessantly after getting their feelings hurt by this take.

Christ, give it a rest. You are the one trolling. Posting paragraphs about why LeBron is greater, in a Michael Jordan documentary thread. You clearly are struggling with the "GOAT" attention Jordan is getting right now.

Dude, seriously...get a freaking grip and hold of yourself. LeBron has nothing to do with this thread.

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Actually, you're right I didn't need to bring LeBron into that analysis. Tbh the only time I ever whip those points out is when there's a debate so I think muscle memory just kicked in and I ended up throwing him in there.

That being said, my points still stand. MJ needed a far more specific set of criteria fulfilled by his supporting cast than most other superstars. He may have the highest ceiling in an optimal situation, I can certainly buy that argument if that's the route someone wants to take; but there's a higher degree of difficulty involved with putting together a supporting cast for MJ than there is for others whom he's compared to.

Pippen is certainly one of the best utility players to ever lace them up, but I think you're placing too much importance on one player filling all those roles when it can be done by committee with several lesser players. You could use a Marcus Smart/Draymond/Horford/Jingles etc. type player in combination with a more efficient/higher volume 2nd option scorer, and cover all the same bases. Seems like quite the reach. Lebron isn't perfect in this regard either. He tends to diminish players who don't butter their bread with 3&D.

[The Rodzilla]

why are people acting like scottie pippens contract finally expiring in 1998 was not the reason why that season was the last dance?

they made up complete nonsense like Krause wanted to disband the team because of personal reasons lol

they should have properly explained the pippen contract situation, that pippen for years was counting down the days until he gets his proper payment and his thinking was that he was going to leave the bulls unless they had an excellent performance in the contract negotiation

so in the 1997 off season they decided to not go for pippen long term and so Jackson then Jordan only signed on for that year, pippen then decided to punish the bulls and limit his risk by taking his surgery before the start of the season then demanding a trade

Pippen was the reason it was over, Jordan didn't want any part of playing without him again because people would notice the difference

funniest part was jordans comments looking back on pippens antics at that time, saying he was trying to get the owner to change his contract and it wasn't going to happen, excuse me but coming into the last year of your deal seems like the perfect time to get the new contract

[The Rodzilla]

Jordan played a total of 41,011 mins (1,072 games) in his career. LeBron matched Jordan's mins played on 03/30/17 with 4.33 mins remaining in the 3rd qtr. I went to LeBron's game logs and play-by-play to calculate all his stats with the same exact minutes played to get an accurate figure. Since LeBron played slightly more mins per game, he only played 1,055 games when he matched Jordan's mins played. Well, the verdict is in, and it's a shocker! Jordan leads in nearly every single statistic there is. LeBron will eventually end up passing most of Jordan's statistics, but only because he played longer. Anything LeBron does from here on out will add to his career, but it will never get him closer to Jordan's legacy. That ship has sailed

by my calculations Jordan only won 4 titles when he got to magic johnsons 33245 minutes, so he only won more because he played longer, he can never get closer to magic johnsons legacy

[Klayforspicy]

My timeline is full of stuff I knew 10 years ago, like its breaking news