Giannis wins next few championships. With which team?

[deadfeather]

He's 25 years old, so yeah... Miami, of course. He can worry about rings later.

[jimmy keys]

No again you're wrong. Giannis said “Definitely wish he was still here,"... “Can you imagine this team with also Malcolm?” Antetokounmpo said after the Bucks' 124-115 victory over the Bulls on Thursday night Nov 15, 2019.

So yeah it registered with him that the Bucks weren't willing to do everything to keep talent around him. He was also really disappointed when he left for basically nothing. Next year's low 20s draft pick does nothing for him. He wants to win a chip now. Make of it what you will but the proof is there. All those guys could have been re-signed they just chose not to. Real contenders go all in.

You're pretty clearly projecting. There's nothing to suggest Giannis didn't understand the situation with Malcolm and Milwaukee, yet you're projecting it as if Giannis took it as some sort of shortcoming of management. Pretty tough sell to just sit there and tell someone "No again you're wrong" while simultaneously making the jumps to the conclusion you're drawing.

Exhibit A: "He was also really disappointed when he left for basically nothing." That's not a thing.

You have to be a special kind of unaware if you're still harping on Malcolm Brogdon when Bucks fans concerns of him have largely been proven correct, Milwaukee has the best record in the league, and George Hill and Donte Divicenzo, his direct replacements, are playing the way they are/were.

What? Obviously he understands what happened. The team was too cheap to re-up a key piece. When you have a championship contender and a window you do whatever you can as a franchise to maximize it. See Cleveland circa 2015-2018. Small market team, championship window, went deep into the tax. The outcome was 1 chip and they lost money that year, but they won once.

Look I provided a direct quote. You're making an equal leap in faith by saying things like this don't matter and maybe they don't. Just don't cry when he walks next year.

[skones]

No again you're wrong. Giannis said “Definitely wish he was still here,"... “Can you imagine this team with also Malcolm?” Antetokounmpo said after the Bucks' 124-115 victory over the Bulls on Thursday night Nov 15, 2019.

So yeah it registered with him that the Bucks weren't willing to do everything to keep talent around him. He was also really disappointed when he left for basically nothing. Next year's low 20s draft pick does nothing for him. He wants to win a chip now. Make of it what you will but the proof is there. All those guys could have been re-signed they just chose not to. Real contenders go all in.

You're pretty clearly projecting. There's nothing to suggest Giannis didn't understand the situation with Malcolm and Milwaukee, yet you're projecting it as if Giannis took it as some sort of shortcoming of management. Pretty tough sell to just sit there and tell someone "No again you're wrong" while simultaneously making the jumps to the conclusion you're drawing.

Exhibit A: "He was also really disappointed when he left for basically nothing." That's not a thing.

You have to be a special kind of unaware if you're still harping on Malcolm Brogdon when Bucks fans concerns of him have largely been proven correct, Milwaukee has the best record in the league, and George Hill and Donte Divicenzo, his direct replacements, are playing the way they are/were.

What? Obviously he understands what happened. The team was too cheap to re-up a key piece. When you have a championship contender and a window you do whatever you can as a franchise to maximize it. See Cleveland circa 2015-2018. Small market team, championship window, went deep into the tax. The outcome was 1 chip and they lost money that year, but they won once.

Look I provided a direct quote. You're making an equal leap in faith by saying things like this don't matter and maybe they don't. Just don't cry when he walks next year.

Too cheap, or the guy just wasn't worth the money? AGAIN, you're projecting.

[jimmy keys]

You're pretty clearly projecting. There's nothing to suggest Giannis didn't understand the situation with Malcolm and Milwaukee, yet you're projecting it as if Giannis took it as some sort of shortcoming of management. Pretty tough sell to just sit there and tell someone "No again you're wrong" while simultaneously making the jumps to the conclusion you're drawing.

Exhibit A: "He was also really disappointed when he left for basically nothing." That's not a thing.

You have to be a special kind of unaware if you're still harping on Malcolm Brogdon when Bucks fans concerns of him have largely been proven correct, Milwaukee has the best record in the league, and George Hill and Donte Divicenzo, his direct replacements, are playing the way they are/were.

What? Obviously he understands what happened. The team was too cheap to re-up a key piece. When you have a championship contender and a window you do whatever you can as a franchise to maximize it. See Cleveland circa 2015-2018. Small market team, championship window, went deep into the tax. The outcome was 1 chip and they lost money that year, but they won once.

Look I provided a direct quote. You're making an equal leap in faith by saying things like this don't matter and maybe they don't. Just don't cry when he walks next year.

Too cheap, or the guy just wasn't worth the money? AGAIN, you're projecting.

He's not worth $20 mil? Maybe you're projecting. Could they have at least traded him for a win now piece? Probably right. Like what's your argument that the Bucks are better without Brogdon? He looked like the 2nd or 3rd best player on that team last year to me.

[kowboy]

All I can say for sure is not on the Bucks. He'll leave next year just like every generational superstar, get villianized for it, and (hopefully) win enough to where it validates the move. This is the new generational ascension path. Get used to it.

[skones]

What? Obviously he understands what happened. The team was too cheap to re-up a key piece. When you have a championship contender and a window you do whatever you can as a franchise to maximize it. See Cleveland circa 2015-2018. Small market team, championship window, went deep into the tax. The outcome was 1 chip and they lost money that year, but they won once.

Look I provided a direct quote. You're making an equal leap in faith by saying things like this don't matter and maybe they don't. Just don't cry when he walks next year.

Too cheap, or the guy just wasn't worth the money? AGAIN, you're projecting.

He's not worth $20 mil? Maybe you're projecting. Could they have at least traded him for a win now piece? Probably right. Like what's your argument that the Bucks are better without Brogdon? He looked like the 2nd or 3rd best player on that team last year to me.

Malcolm Brogdon goes elsewhere, his efficiency falls off a cliff, George Hill goes bonkers all season long, and Donte Divincenzo is a stud in the making, the Bucks don't skip a beat and you're STILL making this case with no ground to stand on. He wasn't the second or third best player. Giannis, Brook, Bled, and Khris were all more important than him all season long.

It's almost as if, gasp, sometimes maximizing your championship window means actually maintaining some level of flexibility.

What's my case that they're better? An objective one. They're pacing for more wins. They have a drastically improved defense, and they're even better when it comes to SRS. That's more substance than you can come up with to make a case that they're worse.

[jimmy keys]

You're pretty clearly projecting. There's nothing to suggest Giannis didn't understand the situation with Malcolm and Milwaukee, yet you're projecting it as if Giannis took it as some sort of shortcoming of management. Pretty tough sell to just sit there and tell someone "No again you're wrong" while simultaneously making the jumps to the conclusion you're drawing.

Exhibit A: "He was also really disappointed when he left for basically nothing." That's not a thing.

You have to be a special kind of unaware if you're still harping on Malcolm Brogdon when Bucks fans concerns of him have largely been proven correct, Milwaukee has the best record in the league, and George Hill and Donte Divicenzo, his direct replacements, are playing the way they are/were.

What? Obviously he understands what happened. The team was too cheap to re-up a key piece. When you have a championship contender and a window you do whatever you can as a franchise to maximize it. See Cleveland circa 2015-2018. Small market team, championship window, went deep into the tax. The outcome was 1 chip and they lost money that year, but they won once.

Look I provided a direct quote. You're making an equal leap in faith by saying things like this don't matter and maybe they don't. Just don't cry when he walks next year.

Too cheap, or the guy just wasn't worth the money? AGAIN, you're projecting. Malcolm Brogdon goes elsewhere, his efficiency falls off a cliff, George Hill goes bonkers all season long, and Donte Divincenzo is a stud in the making, the Bucks don't skip a beat and you're STILL making this case with no ground to stand on.

That's historical revisionism. He was basically the 1st option on offence in Indiana, that's not the role he was asked to play in Milwaukee. They aren't better without him, but if it makes you feel better than by all means tell yourself whatever you want.

[skones]

What? Obviously he understands what happened. The team was too cheap to re-up a key piece. When you have a championship contender and a window you do whatever you can as a franchise to maximize it. See Cleveland circa 2015-2018. Small market team, championship window, went deep into the tax. The outcome was 1 chip and they lost money that year, but they won once.

Look I provided a direct quote. You're making an equal leap in faith by saying things like this don't matter and maybe they don't. Just don't cry when he walks next year.

Too cheap, or the guy just wasn't worth the money? AGAIN, you're projecting. Malcolm Brogdon goes elsewhere, his efficiency falls off a cliff, George Hill goes bonkers all season long, and Donte Divincenzo is a stud in the making, the Bucks don't skip a beat and you're STILL making this case with no ground to stand on.

That's historical revisionism. He was basically the 1st option on offence in Indiana, that's not the role he was asked to play in Milwaukee. They aren't better without him, but if it makes you feel better than by all means tell yourself whatever you want.

I mean, they are better, and the numbers say so. That's objectivity. Your argument, it's what we call subjectivity. It's not "historical revisionism" if you're well aware of Brogdon's warts, you beat a drum about Brogdon's warts, and then lo and behold, hey, he has those warts. Some of us actually watched the guy play for more than a single series, and don't overstate actual contributions.

"ThAt'S nOt ThE rOlE...." that's the whole point, it wasn't worth 20 million, it's not worth 20 million.

[TravisScott55]

I think IF he does leave it will be to Toronto.

[Southpaw]

I honestly see him staying in Milwaukee, he has a legit contender there. But if he leaves, I don't see him signing anywhere where he's not the clear cut best player.

That narrows it down to ... one of the 29 other teams? Outside of maybe LAC where he'd be sharing the ball with Kawhi PG and whoever is on the lineup sheet as "point guard" I don't see a bad fit for Giannis, just bad teams.

LAL, DAL, GSW and probably BKN too. I'm not saying he's not better than them, just the perception that he's joining another's team where someone is already considered or can be argued as a better player than him. It'll be Lebron/Wade and Steph/KD all over again.

[Warriorfan]

Since this is somewhat a lost season and future unknown CBA opt out 2022.


I think Giannis gives Mil an extra year the team around him is old and as a low revenue team can't build araround him they don't win


2022 every team has max space.

Curry plays for exemption, Wiggins exp gets dealt warriors have young players(lottery picks, pascal ) Curry, Green Thompson

[TheRealKaboom]

Defenitely not Lakers.

Why not? Kareem left the Bucks for the Lakers and it changed his life for the better. You don't think Giannis knows this? He seems like a smart kid.

When did Giannis convert to Islam?

Oh man, have you ever been to Wisconsin? Religion has nothing to do with why Kareem got out of there.

[skones]

Since this is somewhat a lost season and future unknown CBA opt out 2022.


I think Giannis gives Mil an extra year the team around him is old and as a low revenue team can't build araround him they don't win


2022 every team has max space.

Curry plays for exemption, Wiggins exp gets dealt warriors have young players(lottery picks, pascal ) Curry, Green Thompson

Give it a rest. You repeat the same drivel in every Giannis thread and it never makes any sense.

[RRyder823]

What? Obviously he understands what happened. The team was too cheap to re-up a key piece. When you have a championship contender and a window you do whatever you can as a franchise to maximize it. See Cleveland circa 2015-2018. Small market team, championship window, went deep into the tax. The outcome was 1 chip and they lost money that year, but they won once.

Look I provided a direct quote. You're making an equal leap in faith by saying things like this don't matter and maybe they don't. Just don't cry when he walks next year.

Too cheap, or the guy just wasn't worth the money? AGAIN, you're projecting. Malcolm Brogdon goes elsewhere, his efficiency falls off a cliff, George Hill goes bonkers all season long, and Donte Divincenzo is a stud in the making, the Bucks don't skip a beat and you're STILL making this case with no ground to stand on.

That's historical revisionism. He was basically the 1st option on offence in Indiana, that's not the role he was asked to play in Milwaukee. They aren't better without him, but if it makes you feel better than by all means tell yourself whatever you want.

I mean if you want to discount pretty much every statistical measurement you "might" have an argument there........ That is until you actually watch the how the Bucks played this year and realize DDV makes a bigger impact for them then Brogdon did



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[Warriorfan]

Since this is somewhat a lost season and future unknown CBA opt out 2022.


I think Giannis gives Mil an extra year the team around him is old and as a low revenue team can't build araround him they don't win


2022 every team has max space.

Curry plays for exemption, Wiggins exp gets dealt warriors have young players(lottery picks, pascal ) Curry, Green Thompson

Give it a rest. You repeat the same drivel in every Giannis thread and it never makes any sense.[/quote


At the core Mil is older, small market and hasnt won why would he stay its pretty plain. I predict Mil will lose talent/depth next year

GS may not get Giannis but they are in a position to get a star again in free agency, Curry has proven he can play with another MVP. Klay is HOF level and can function as 3rd option

[skones]

Since this is somewhat a lost season and future unknown CBA opt out 2022.


I think Giannis gives Mil an extra year the team around him is old and as a low revenue team can't build araround him they don't win


2022 every team has max space.

Curry plays for exemption, Wiggins exp gets dealt warriors have young players(lottery picks, pascal ) Curry, Green Thompson

Give it a rest. You repeat the same drivel in every Giannis thread and it never makes any sense.[/quote


At the core Mil is older, small market and hasnt won why would he stay its pretty plain. I predict Mil will lose talent/depth next year

GS may not get Giannis but they are in a position to get a star again in free agency, Curry has proven he can play with another MVP. Klay is HOF level and can function as 3rd option

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this time in all caps.

GOLDEN STATE AT THE CORE IS OLDER THAN MILWAUKEE AND YOU'RE PROJECTING TWO YEARS INTO THE FUTURE ON TOP OF THAT.

Khris Middleton 28
Eric Bledsoe 30
Antetokounmpo has 25
Average age: 27.7

Curry 32 years old
Klay Thompson 30 years old
Draymond Green 30 years old
Average age 30.7

The reasons why he'd stay are pretty plain. Check the standings. While you're at it, look at your cap sheet, Golden State is the furthest thing away from being in a position to get a star in free agency. Golden State has the 4th most committed salary in the league for the 2022 offseason AND Curry will have a mammoth cap hold. This stuff is right there in front of your eyes, clear as day.

[bondom34]

I'm sorry Bucks fans. And the votes for the Warriors and Lakers are...something.

[nzahir]

I think he'll stay in Milwaukee but I don't think he'll win the next few championships.

If he joined the Raptors though, then yeah.

Why is TOR>MIL?

I like Middleton much more next to Giannis vs Siakam next to Giannis. Bucks also have some assets and salaries to go for a 3rd guy.

Bledsoe salary, Donte, a few picks

Lowry and Marc are getting older

FVV will likely want to get high teens or even around 20m a season

[stoo]

i think he is not leaving mil before he gets a title there. After that, anything is possible. Maybe he wants to make Chicago out of Milwaukee, maybe he goes for a bigger market, more money, safe few chips

[GiannisAnte34]

maybe Giannis stays in Milwaukee and a lot of you will have to eat crow