Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis

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Which player would you rather have for the playoffs for this year

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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#81 » by nikster » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:16 pm

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JN61 wrote:Giannis. We saw Curry this year and it wasn't pretty.


Can someone please, please justify how using a five game regular season sample size for any type of basketball analysis is something a logical person would do? Especially with the first 4 games coming at the beginning of the regular season, and one game coming after a four month layoff?

If you are not quite understanding, let's say you were one of the best workers at your job, and let's say your boss were to give you a terrible yearly performance and based it on 3 weeks of the whole year, after you've come back from a long vacation and being unable to work due to injury, while ignoring excellent performance in the past five years.. That is essentially what you are doing and its beyond ridiculous.



What if during those three weeks, the only thing different was your coworkers weren't covering for you and helping you with your PowerPoint presentations?

Curry managed to play great in the Finals. So not really an argument
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#82 » by Lunartic » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:40 pm

nikster wrote:
Lunartic wrote:
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Can someone please, please justify how using a five game regular season sample size for any type of basketball analysis is something a logical person would do? Especially with the first 4 games coming at the beginning of the regular season, and one game coming after a four month layoff?

If you are not quite understanding, let's say you were one of the best workers at your job, and let's say your boss were to give you a terrible yearly performance and based it on 3 weeks of the whole year, after you've come back from a long vacation and being unable to work due to injury, while ignoring excellent performance in the past five years.. That is essentially what you are doing and its beyond ridiculous.



What if during those three weeks, the only thing different was your coworkers weren't covering for you and helping you with your PowerPoint presentations?

Curry managed to play great in the Finals. So not really an argument


Curry had Klay for the majority of them, Klay is one of the best coworkers a man can hope for.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#83 » by The High Cyde » Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:46 pm

Going full throttle at their peak with capable teams around them, it would be terribly close. But I mean, Steph can legit pull up from anywhere , he constantly has be accounted for whether he has the ball or not. With Giannis, he needs the ball in general to be more effective than Curry on the offensive end. Steph's gravity here is immense, like it's always been, and he can finish at the rim with the best of them for guards. He's not a great passer, but he's better than Giannis. Even defensively Steph is no slouch, he just gets picked on as the weakest link on stacked teams.

I think you go further in the playoffs with Steph all things relatively equal, but hey, this is why they play the games haha
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#84 » by Triples333 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:00 pm

Lunartic wrote:
nikster wrote:
Lunartic wrote:

What if during those three weeks, the only thing different was your coworkers weren't covering for you and helping you with your PowerPoint presentations?

Curry managed to play great in the Finals. So not really an argument


Curry had Klay for the majority of them, Klay is one of the best coworkers a man can hope for.

Falls well shy of the coworkers Giannis had against the Raps, and Curry was far better. Not to mention the hodge podge team littered with G leaguers + injuries he had to run with in the middle of the Finals (no Klay) against a Raptors Box+1 where he dropped 47/8/7 with just 3 turnovers on a 63% TS. "System player" tho.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#85 » by Lunartic » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:45 pm

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nikster wrote:Curry managed to play great in the Finals. So not really an argument


Curry had Klay for the majority of them, Klay is one of the best coworkers a man can hope for.

Falls well shy of the coworkers Giannis had against the Raps, and Curry was far better. Not to mention the hodge podge team littered with G leaguers + injuries he had to run with in the middle of the Finals (no Klay) against a Raptors Box+1 where he dropped 47/8/7 with just 3 turnovers on a 63% TS. "System player" tho.


Only a dotard would say Curry is a system player, he IS the system. He's a top-5 player but he has trouble when he doesn't have other offensive weapons to cover for him
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#86 » by nikster » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:38 pm

Lunartic wrote:
nikster wrote:
Lunartic wrote:

What if during those three weeks, the only thing different was your coworkers weren't covering for you and helping you with your PowerPoint presentations?

Curry managed to play great in the Finals. So not really an argument


Curry had Klay for the majority of them, Klay is one of the best coworkers a man can hope for.

He dropped 47/8/7 in the whole game without Klay.

Even with Klay, Curry was not playing with a very offensively gifted roster in the finals.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#87 » by Lunartic » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:00 pm

nikster wrote:
Lunartic wrote:
nikster wrote:Curry managed to play great in the Finals. So not really an argument


Curry had Klay for the majority of them, Klay is one of the best coworkers a man can hope for.

He dropped 47/8/7 in the whole game without Klay.

Even with Klay, Curry was not playing with a very offensively gifted roster in the finals.


And he lost the series

I'm just being facetious though, Curry is great
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#88 » by KrAzY3 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:18 pm

I voted Giannis, but really it's conditional. What Giannis can do doesn't really require as much in terms of a supporting cast. He's just physically overwhelming and he can kind of do most things well.

Curry is extremely skilled, but without a supporting cast he's just a guy chucking three pointers. Without Kerr's system, and without players around him who can really take advantage of being open (like Klay) his abilities aren't as game changing as Giannis. However, with those things, he's more impactful. He elevated Klay and Green to another level.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#89 » by michaelm » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:14 am

bovice wrote:
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bovice wrote:as a #1 option, Giannis and it isn't close. as a #2? give me Steph. Steph is overrated as a #1 and can't carry a team the way Giannis can.


Your joking right?


I think 2 things:
1) Steph plays in a system and plays with players that perfectly compliment his skillset. Put him on any other team and he isn't as good. KD is better than Steph but the golden state way of playing revolves around Steph, so it makes him look like the better player. 2) I look at Steph compared to other #1 options on a previous championship teams. Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Kawhi, KD, Dirk. All those guys are physically gifted and can get their shot off on anyone at any time. All of those guys can get to the rim at will a lot better than Steph can. Steph moreso than any other player on that list relies on 'gaps' in the defense to score, which is why he looks really good in the regular season

Steph is an all-time great, but Giannis has more qualities I look for in a #1 option. He plays defense better, he can physically bully people. If he has reliable shooters around him, he'll eat you up in the paint. When a team is deep into the playoffs and it's late in the 4th quarter, I'll take the guy that can get to the rim at will moreso than the guy that relies on jumpers. Again, this is as a #1 option.

In which alternate universe can't Curry get to and score at the rim ?,
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#90 » by michaelm » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:38 am

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Lunartic wrote:
Curry had Klay for the majority of them, Klay is one of the best coworkers a man can hope for.

Falls well shy of the coworkers Giannis had against the Raps, and Curry was far better. Not to mention the hodge podge team littered with G leaguers + injuries he had to run with in the middle of the Finals (no Klay) against a Raptors Box+1 where he dropped 47/8/7 with just 3 turnovers on a 63% TS. "System player" tho.


Only a dotard would say Curry is a system player, he IS the system. He's a top-5 player but he has trouble when he doesn't have other offensive weapons to cover for him

He has problems when the recipient of his outlet passes shoots under 20% on open shots, enabling him to be double and triple teamed, particularly when one of the defenders involved is LeBron and he himself is a little hobbled. Giannis has not as yet shown himself to have a completely unstoppable method in the play-offs either. He can't just shoot over anyone at any time like Kevin Durant, who is vulnerable only to poor decision making, whether by himself or by the playmaker or playmakers on his team.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#91 » by jason bourne » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:45 am

Prolly Giannis b/c Steph has those weird injuries this season. Warriors had KD (had he stayed) and Klay out for sure, but Steph was also out for months. I think Giannis will be ready if the NBA can re-start this asterisk-laden season.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#92 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:15 am

If both are healthy, definitely Curry. Giannis' offense is very limited. The defense and the reffing (although still weaker than it should be due to NBA rules), gets tighter in the playoffs. And Giannis still only basically has dunks, layups, fast break, and knocking over defenders as his offensive moves.

If it's the version of Curry we see that is often playing injured, and can't do as much on offense as normal, and becomes really useless on defense, then Giannis.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#93 » by MastermindLV » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:19 am

Giannis


Curry is a choker and needs a real #1 in order to win in the playoffs
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#94 » by Lunartic » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:36 am

michaelm wrote:
Lunartic wrote:
Triples333 wrote:Falls well shy of the coworkers Giannis had against the Raps, and Curry was far better. Not to mention the hodge podge team littered with G leaguers + injuries he had to run with in the middle of the Finals (no Klay) against a Raptors Box+1 where he dropped 47/8/7 with just 3 turnovers on a 63% TS. "System player" tho.


Only a dotard would say Curry is a system player, he IS the system. He's a top-5 player but he has trouble when he doesn't have other offensive weapons to cover for him

He has problems when the recipient of his outlet passes shoots under 20% on open shots, enabling him to be double and triple teamed, particularly when one of the defenders involved is LeBron and he himself is a little hobbled. Giannis has not as yet shown himself to have a completely unstoppable method in the play-offs either. He can't just shoot over anyone at any time like Kevin Durant, who is vulnerable only to poor decision making, whether by himself or by the playmaker or playmakers on his team.


Curry's biggest weakness is his frame/athleticism, he's not able to reliably beat defenders 1v1 or dominate physically the way Giannis/Bron/Kawhi can which takes away a go-to weapon
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#95 » by michaelm » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:20 am

Lunartic wrote:
michaelm wrote:
Lunartic wrote:
Only a dotard would say Curry is a system player, he IS the system. He's a top-5 player but he has trouble when he doesn't have other offensive weapons to cover for him

He has problems when the recipient of his outlet passes shoots under 20% on open shots, enabling him to be double and triple teamed, particularly when one of the defenders involved is LeBron and he himself is a little hobbled. Giannis has not as yet shown himself to have a completely unstoppable method in the play-offs either. He can't just shoot over anyone at any time like Kevin Durant, who is vulnerable only to poor decision making, whether by himself or by the playmaker or playmakers on his team.


Curry's biggest weakness is his frame/athleticism, he's not able to reliably beat defenders 1v1 or dominate physically the way Giannis/Bron/Kawhi can which takes away a go-to weapon

It is obviously true that not being both big and highly athletic does limit him in some ways, very clearly defensively. Despite this offensively he gets to the rim and scores at a high level of efficiency there because of his handles, vision and the constant threat of him pulling up on a dime and making a shot from just about anywhere. He can go cold as a shooter obviously like anyone else, but less so than inferior shooters ie pretty much everyone. It was not the Cavs' problem of course and credit to them for devising a scheme which negated the version of Curry who turned up to play them, the only one available for them to scheme against of course, but the last thing to come back after the variety of knee injury he had in 2016 is lateral movement, taking away an alternative string to his bow with a third string ie outlet passing denied him by Barnes not being able to hit the proverbial side of a barn. We have actually had a thread about Curry in which it was argued that he was not the GOAT shooter because he doesn't take and make mid range shots at a high enough volume; my view to the contrary was that he doesn't shoot them because it is an inefficient shot for him compared to a 3 point shot or getting to the rim.

I am admittedly a Curry fanboy, but the Curry the OP posited in starting this thread was a fully healthy one; such a beast cannot be relied upon as a constant, something with many consequences both for GSW and a number of players including LeBron and KD.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#96 » by bovice » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:30 am

michaelm wrote:
bovice wrote:
knuckles862 wrote:
Your joking right?


I think 2 things:
1) Steph plays in a system and plays with players that perfectly compliment his skillset. Put him on any other team and he isn't as good. KD is better than Steph but the golden state way of playing revolves around Steph, so it makes him look like the better player. 2) I look at Steph compared to other #1 options on a previous championship teams. Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Kawhi, KD, Dirk. All those guys are physically gifted and can get their shot off on anyone at any time. All of those guys can get to the rim at will a lot better than Steph can. Steph moreso than any other player on that list relies on 'gaps' in the defense to score, which is why he looks really good in the regular season

Steph is an all-time great, but Giannis has more qualities I look for in a #1 option. He plays defense better, he can physically bully people. If he has reliable shooters around him, he'll eat you up in the paint. When a team is deep into the playoffs and it's late in the 4th quarter, I'll take the guy that can get to the rim at will moreso than the guy that relies on jumpers. Again, this is as a #1 option.

In which alternate universe can't Curry get to and score at the rim ?,


Out of the players I listed in my post, Curry is least able to get to the rim consistently. He can't back back people down, bully them, or shoot over them inside. He relies on quickness and screens and if that's what you rely on, I'm gonna need someone more reliable when there's 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter of a postseason game.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#97 » by MrPerfect1 » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:19 am

Egg Nog wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:Steph has never been as good as the freak is right now.


You must've missed that unanimous MVP season.


Giannis this year was better than Unanimous MVP Season Curry
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Post#98 » by drosereturn » Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:16 am

Curry. Gianis cant shoot.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#99 » by NuggetsWY » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:02 pm

It depends on who else is on the team - they are very different players. Giannis is a very nice fit on the current Bucks team. But Steph fits on any team, so I voted for him.
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Re: Which player would you rather have for the playoffs? Fully Healthy Stephen Curry or Giannis 

Post#100 » by GreenBloodedC » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:11 pm

Did people forget how great Curry was/is?

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