All Giannis does is travel, charge to the hole and can’t play in half court set. How is he in top 5 NBA players talks?

[Metallikid]

When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

I would argue that Middleton is definitely a better player than Klay.

Not better, but not far off either. But Steph also had Draymond.

He's better, but Klay isn't far off. Steph also has Draymond.

[Raps in 4]

I would argue that Middleton is definitely a better player than Klay.

Not better, but not far off either. But Steph also had Draymond.

He's better, but Klay isn't far off. Steph also has Draymond.

On what planet is he better? This is the first season he's actually been "very good".

Klay was top-20 in RPM from 2013-2018 while having a better career TS% (granted, not by much).

[Rodwilliams]

Seriously this guy’s game is laughable. He’s traveling on almost every play and the ref is not calling it. He tries to force his way to the hole even when its defenders there. Taking big steps is not a skill to me. The crazy part is that you only notice this about his game during the playoffs when the game slows down.

Is this your 5th Giannis hate thread now?

Get a hobby!

This is my first thread about Giannis smh

[Metallikid]

Not better, but not far off either. But Steph also had Draymond.

He's better, but Klay isn't far off. Steph also has Draymond.

On what planet is he better? This is the first season he's actually been "very good".

Klay was top-20 in RPM from 2013-2018 while having a better career TS% (granted, not by much).

His edge in rebounding and playmaking make up for whatever small edge Klay has in scoring.

You could say it's a tie but I think Middleton has the edge at this point.

[Teen Girl Squad]

People are just reactionary. Most don't have the ability to look at anything except the current moment and the emotions they're currently feeling. You'll even see people flip on players within the same game.

...then there are just haters who get some kind of emotional satisfaction from calling out the best players and waiting for their time to pounce - "told you he sucks!"

Exactly right. Playoff RealGM is a peak example of this (particularly pre-covid). There are daily threads that rewrite the entire career and legacy of players after the results of any given game. Its absurd.

[Pachinko_]

He's probably top 5, but only just.

He is correctly the regular season MVP because he simply tries harder than other stars from game 1 to game 82.

In the playoffs: he is an incredible defender, and he can be an even better one if they let him foul out every now and then.
Incredible rebounder.
Incredible 1-1 simply because he has this ridiculous handle (for a 7 footer) which means nobody at his size can stay with him and nobody smaller than him can stop him at the rim. There is nobody can guard him 1-1 period, he'll just blow by and dunk. This immediately creates mandatory double and triple teams, which creates offensive opportunities for his teammates.

Aaaaaaaaand that's pretty much all he's good for offensively. Force him to score in other ways or create for others and you are basically getting worse as a team.

Now this gravity and dunks are no small thing, and combined with his D and rebounds it makes him around top 7 to top 5 player.
But not higher than that. Maybe later who knows, but don't expect too many improvements, he's already 26 in December.

[Danny1616]

When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

I would argue that Middleton is definitely a better player than Klay.

I love how Middleton finally has a great playoff game and fans on here are acting like he's better than Klay.

Classic overreaction.

[Pachinko_]

Middleton is a great player, but inconsistent. You can only experience the full pain of the Middleton experience after your team pays him $30m pa. Up until that point he's just great.

[theFireBlanket]

Now this gravity and dunks are no small thing, and combined with his D and rebounds it makes him around top 7 to top 5 player.
But not higher than that. Maybe later who knows, but don't expect too many improvements, he's already 26 in December.

But he only picked up basketball as a teenager. He's going to improve, with too high of a work ethic to plateau yet. It happens every year. He's going to be ridiculous when he peaks.

[Pachinko_]

Now this gravity and dunks are no small thing, and combined with his D and rebounds it makes him around top 7 to top 5 player.
But not higher than that. Maybe later who knows, but don't expect too many improvements, he's already 26 in December.

But he only picked up basketball as a teenager. He's going to improve, with too high of a work ethic to plateau yet. It happens every year. He's going to be ridiculous when he peaks.

Sometimes he also gets worse in some things though. We discussed 3 pointers but his FT% has also been steadily declining since 16/17. His TOV per 36 have been climbing.
It's not all improvements.

[GSP]

When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

Russ isn't a better player than Middleton in 2020 lol

You could easily make a case for him over Klay too

And the gap between George isn't big at all specially when he dons Playoff P in postseason

[Pg81]

All Shaq did was push people around the basketball and dunk the ball, how is he considered one of the best players of all time?

/sarcasm

All Magic did was passing the ball!

[Prophet_tt]

Bucks offense is easier to stop in the playoffs with Giannis in than with him out. Small sample size but the facts back me up as of this post.

[Pg81]

He got exposed in fiba

Yeah remember when the former Cavalier Anderson Varejao outplayed Giannis in the 2019 Fiba.

Watch on YouTube

I did not see this game but in this video clip Giannis never defended Varejao except maybe one time directly one on one and Varejao hit a lucky turn around over his outstretched hands. I never saw him defend Giannis so saying that Varejao "owned" Giannis based on this clip is a big stretch.

[70sFan]

Middleton is better player than Klay. He's much better creator and for all this talk about his playoff struggles, he's better than Thompson in most years.

Klay is highy inconsistent player, much more than Middleton.

It's another thing that Curry's best teammate was either KD or Green, never Klay.

[Oscar9992]

He got exposed in fiba

Yeah remember when the former Cavalier Anderson Varejao outplayed Giannis in the 2019 Fiba.

Watch on YouTube

I did not see this game but in this video clip Giannis never defended Varejao except maybe one time directly one on one and Varejao hit a lucky turn around over his outstretched hands. I never saw him defend Giannis so saying that Varejao "owned" Giannis based on this clip is a big stretch.

Varejao owned him in defensive end though. Didn't need a wall.

[ReasonablySober]

Amazing thread. I love it. The commitment to the bit is incredible. Keep going, guys.

[SFour]

He's a freak player, just like Shaq....it would be a waste for him not to use his freakishness to dominate inside the paint, when he's chucking 3s he's bailing out the opposing team.

Also Shaq had Kobe and Wade by his side when he won his championships.....Giannis has Middleton, who is a solid player but not a Hall of Fame player.

[Pachinko_]

Bucks offense is easier to stop in the playoffs with Giannis in than with him out. Small sample size but the facts back me up as of this post.

That's not necessarily wrong, it depends how much he feels he has to do things he's not good at.
Which is a lot lately.

[Jazztop]

Seriously this guy’s game is laughable. He’s traveling on almost every play and the ref is not calling it. He tries to force his way to the hole even when its defenders there. Taking big steps is not a skill to me. The crazy part is that you only notice this about his game during the playoffs when the game slows down.

Is this your 5th Giannis hate thread now?

Get a hobby!

This is my first thread about Giannis smh

You’re right - the last time was a hate thread on Kawhi. You obviously don’t like the great MVP / Finals MVP players in the league.