Updated best young cores

[VCfor3]

I think is unfair to compare a team like the nuggets and Celtics who are young but are all around 25 year old range.

While a team like Memphis is closer to the 20 year old range.

The differents in experince is just night and day.

To be honest that comparison really is just this.

Tatum or Morant? About a push.

Can JJJ, 1) stay healthy, and 2) outperform Brown. Very very possible. But honestly, a lot depends on how healthy his body lets him be going forward.

And also it just honestly might be a year or two till Morant makes it to all-nba status. Like... yes these are projections but I took it more as given the information we know going into next year here's where we're at. As with all young cores these things change RAPIDLY. Year to year at the very least if not half year to half year.

Push? maybe it's just bc my team just lost to him but Tatum is knocking on the superstar door. Morant is great but he only has one season, i lean towards proven talent than just hopes.

I'd give Tatum the edge. Morant is great, but he isn't currently on Tatum's level and there is no guarantee he ever will be. I also don't see Ja ever being significantly better than Tatum because Tatum is dang good. I appreciate the Ja love though!

Also does Winslow count for Memphis or does he have to stay healthy first

[Patsfan1081]

OP forget about some notable youngsters, so order is wrong.

1. Mavericks - Luka (potential MVP), Porzingis (potential allstar)
2. Celtics - Tatum (all nba), Brown (potential allstar), Robert Williams (likely role player), Grant Williams (likely role player)
3. Nuggets - Jokic (potential MVP), Murray (potential allstar), Michael Porter Jr (potential allstar), Bol Bol (potential starter)
4. Suns - Booker (potential all nba), Ayton (potential all star), Bridges (potential starter), Oubre (potential starter)
5. Pelicans - Zion (potential allstar maybe more), Ingram (allstar), Josh Hart (potential starter), Lonzo Ball (potential starter), Jaxson Hayes (potential starter)
6. Hawks - Trae Young (potential all nba), John Collins (likely allstar), Hunter/Reddish (potential starters)
7. Timberwolves - KAT (all nba), D'angelo (allstar kinda), #1 pick, Malik Beasley (starter)
8. Heat - Bam (potential all nba), Herro (likely starter), Nunn (likely starter)
9. OKC - mostly relying on picks but SGA is potential allstar
10. Bulls - Lavine (potential allstar), Carter jr (potential allstar), Markkanen (likely starter), Coby White (potential starter)
Grizlies - Morant (potential allstar), JJJackson (potential allstar), B.Clark (starter), D.Brooks (starter)
Kings - Fox (potential allstar), Bagley (starter, potential allstar), Harry Giles (starter)

Instead of meaningless numbers, we should go full fantasy football and use tiers.

The wet dream tier. You have a current or soon to be MVP player and they haven't even entered their prime yet. **** me.

Bucks
Mavs

The rock solid tier. You have an all-nba guy in the stable.

Nuggets (tough call, could easily be in wet dream tier after next season but we all know MVPs decide who wins championship I see Jokick as all-nba level not MVP level. Murray could elevate them to wet dream also, just have to see it next year.)

Celtics (Brown may be done growing. But endless rookies and sophomores on the team and 3 firsts in this draft.. potential to solidify themselves here next year)
Timberwolves (they're here but they're TERRIFIED that despite their talent they aren't in the playoffs or winning like they should)

The feeling just fine tier (young all-star)
(almost all of these could be in the rock solid tier but finding all-stars is easier then all-nbas for any young core)

Pelicans (Zion could easily valut them into wet dream next season, Ingram could carry them to rock solid alone next year)
Suns (easily could be looked at like the Nuggets are by the end of next year)
Hawks ( I knock Trae for his defense so unsure it will translate to playoff wins when he gets help)
Heat
MEM

We ain't mad because we're expecting to soon be glad tier

Kings
OKC

The shouldn't be on this list tier

Bulls (I'm lesser on their talent and not sure those are potential all-stars in that core)

So Murray at 23 has all the potential to develope more next season but Brown(who was considered raw coming out) is done at 23?

Also if we’re considering Jokic then you should throw in all the one and donee in his draft class also. It’s not like Embiid, Smart, Lavine, and Warren are that far apart in age. I don’t really think of someone on their second contract as “young.”

[celticfan42487]

I think is unfair to compare a team like the nuggets and Celtics who are young but are all around 25 year old range.

While a team like Memphis is closer to the 20 year old range.

The differents in experince is just night and day.

To be honest that comparison really is just this.

Tatum or Morant? About a push.

Can JJJ, 1) stay healthy, and 2) outperform Brown. Very very possible. But honestly, a lot depends on how healthy his body lets him be going forward.

And also it just honestly might be a year or two till Morant makes it to all-nba status. Like... yes these are projections but I took it more as given the information we know going into next year here's where we're at. As with all young cores these things change RAPIDLY. Year to year at the very least if not half year to half year.

Push? maybe it's just bc my team just lost to him but Tatum is knocking on the superstar door. Morant is great but he only has one season, i lean towards proven talent than just hopes.

Honestly we have no idea how good Morant will be next year.

And I'd say Tatum will be better too but this person was talking about LONG term evaluations of talent and why it's unfair to have a 20 year old rookie to be compared to a 22 year old vet.

Which I agree with. But even if you look in the LONG term this is what it kind of looks like for that comparison. It's still hard to say. And yes there is a chance Morant doesn't ascend.

[celticfan42487]

OP forget about some notable youngsters, so order is wrong.

1. Mavericks - Luka (potential MVP), Porzingis (potential allstar)
2. Celtics - Tatum (all nba), Brown (potential allstar), Robert Williams (likely role player), Grant Williams (likely role player)
3. Nuggets - Jokic (potential MVP), Murray (potential allstar), Michael Porter Jr (potential allstar), Bol Bol (potential starter)
4. Suns - Booker (potential all nba), Ayton (potential all star), Bridges (potential starter), Oubre (potential starter)
5. Pelicans - Zion (potential allstar maybe more), Ingram (allstar), Josh Hart (potential starter), Lonzo Ball (potential starter), Jaxson Hayes (potential starter)
6. Hawks - Trae Young (potential all nba), John Collins (likely allstar), Hunter/Reddish (potential starters)
7. Timberwolves - KAT (all nba), D'angelo (allstar kinda), #1 pick, Malik Beasley (starter)
8. Heat - Bam (potential all nba), Herro (likely starter), Nunn (likely starter)
9. OKC - mostly relying on picks but SGA is potential allstar
10. Bulls - Lavine (potential allstar), Carter jr (potential allstar), Markkanen (likely starter), Coby White (potential starter)
Grizlies - Morant (potential allstar), JJJackson (potential allstar), B.Clark (starter), D.Brooks (starter)
Kings - Fox (potential allstar), Bagley (starter, potential allstar), Harry Giles (starter)

Instead of meaningless numbers, we should go full fantasy football and use tiers.

The wet dream tier. You have a current or soon to be MVP player and they haven't even entered their prime yet. **** me.

Bucks
Mavs

The rock solid tier. You have an all-nba guy in the stable.

Nuggets (tough call, could easily be in wet dream tier after next season but we all know MVPs decide who wins championship I see Jokick as all-nba level not MVP level. Murray could elevate them to wet dream also, just have to see it next year.)

Celtics (Brown may be done growing. But endless rookies and sophomores on the team and 3 firsts in this draft.. potential to solidify themselves here next year)
Timberwolves (they're here but they're TERRIFIED that despite their talent they aren't in the playoffs or winning like they should)

The feeling just fine tier (young all-star)
(almost all of these could be in the rock solid tier but finding all-stars is easier then all-nbas for any young core)

Pelicans (Zion could easily valut them into wet dream next season, Ingram could carry them to rock solid alone next year)
Suns (easily could be looked at like the Nuggets are by the end of next year)
Hawks ( I knock Trae for his defense so unsure it will translate to playoff wins when he gets help)
Heat
MEM

We ain't mad because we're expecting to soon be glad tier

Kings
OKC

The shouldn't be on this list tier

Bulls (I'm lesser on their talent and not sure those are potential all-stars in that core)

So Murray at 23 has all the potential to develope more next season but Brown(who was considered raw coming out) is done at 23?

Also if we’re considering Jokic then you should throw in all the one and donee in his draft class also. It’s not like Embiid, Smart, Lavine, and Warren are that far apart in age. I don’t really think of someone on their second contract as “young.”

Have you watched the Western Confrence playoffs at all?

Which one just beat the favorites for the championship?

Which one is AVERAGING one 50 point game and one 40 point game PER series.

It's about what they **** do not about their **** age.

Murray is in the midst of one of the biggest breakout playoff performances of all time. Brown is in the midst of slow and steady turtle progress.

There's nothing to say this isn't the new normal for both of them. Just have to wait and see.

[Cavsfansince84]

So are we just going off of the last two playoff series and dismissing everything else. Not trying to downplay Murray because he’s been unreal as of late but you can’t just dismiss his impact on defense or the player he was before the playoffs started. He’s a scorer who’s fg % has been below the league average every year in the league. Previous poster said “players can take the leap”, yeah, they can also go on streaks also. You say Brown can “hit a three every now and then, ” but he’s been a much more efficient three point shooter than Murray over his career.

Isn't winning rings what it's all about though? I mean that's why teams play the rs and try to get good seeding. Murray has legit been almost as good as anyone in these playoffs and was there hitting dagger after dagger 3 to finish off the Clips in game 7. Dude has been incredible and had maybe only 1-2 off games the entire playoffs. That counts for something. His ts was 56% during the rs which isn't bad. In the playoffs he's averaging 27ppg on 62.5% ts. So yes we can question whether this is sustainable but I'm guessing his role in the offense will be bigger next season and that he'll continue improving as an offensive player. Time will tell. I think he's a fair bit ahead of Brown in terms of filling that #2 role in an offense where he can also carry them on any given night. He's basically like a bigger more athletic Kemba.

[Dacost]

I think this should divided by 2.

Group 1
Young teams that have a few years together and been in the playoffs with already proven players in the NBA.
Example
Nuggets and Celtics are clearly playoff vets at this point.

Group 2
Really young teams that have ALOT of pontetial but still need to show more.

Atl and Memphis come to mind here they are both just starting and the jury is still out on them.

Anyways I believe how old a player is does not tell the whole story ....the number of years in NBA matter more.