Randle vs. Porzingis

[Zenzibar]

Porzingis has the higher ceiling but randle is the better player.

It better be a very high ceiling because if KP bumps his head, he'll be out 6-8 months.

[3toheadmelo]

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[Clincher]

KP is better talent wise but his attitude is terrible and him enabling his big brother to be some hot shot sports agent who thinks he's Scott Boras brings him down to Randle's level who by all accounts isn't a locker room problem and doesn't make it about him all the time. KP on a good team is fine but on a rebuilding team is the first guy to tuck his tail and leave when the going get's tough, not someone I want. He would see draft picks and prospects on the team go if it gave him a better shot to compete even if it isn't the correct way to build a roster.

[urgal]

Porzingis has the higher ceiling but randle is the better player.

It better be a very high ceiling because if KP bumps his head, he'll be out 6-8 months.

Anyway he'll be back before the Knicks are relevant again

[The_Hater]

Most people would rather have Porzingis on their team, and that's a fair take. But I think it's worth pointing out that Randle (who came to NY through cap space freed up by the Porzingis trade, I believe) is only 9 months older than KP; has played in every game at an average of 37 mpg; and is averaging almost 23, 11, and 7. Probably playing better D than earlier in his career too.

The Knicks didn't sign KD and Kyrie; DSJ hasn't been good so far; the Mavs' picks the Knicks will receive likely will not be lottery picks; but think I think Randle's play makes the KP trade look a little better in retrospect and once again proves my theory that Frank Isola is always wrong:

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Trading Porzingis might have been the only thing that could be done at that point as things had grown sour, but I doubt it. But the 2 things missing in this equation is that Durant himself mentioned that KP was a player that he’d like to play with, so the Knicks did things ass backwards if one of the goals trading him was to help their free agency prospects. Plus they also negotiated a hilariously bad trade package which only looks 5 times worse in hindsight with the value of high level players continuing to rise.

The Knicks screwed up here, and that’s the sort of stuff that happens when you have a dysfunctional front office with an interim GM pulling the strings.

[gavran]

Porzingis has the higher ceiling but randle is the better player.

It better be a very high ceiling because if KP bumps his head, he'll be out 6-8 months.

Anyway he'll be back before the Knicks are relevant again

Back on the inactive list you mean?

[Zenzibar]

Porzingis has the higher ceiling but randle is the better player.

It better be a very high ceiling because if KP bumps his head, he'll be out 6-8 months.

Anyway he'll be back before the Knicks are relevant again

Question.

Are the Mavs relevant due to KP or Luka? What would the Mavs look like without him (Luka)?

You know what they'll look like without Luka? Like the Knicks with Randle.

[urgal]

Question.

Are the Mavs relevant due to KP or Luka? What would the Mavs look like without him (Luka)?

You know what they'll look like without Luka? Like the Knicks with Randle.

So you're admitting Randle's not a difference maker then. Glad we finally got that out of the way.

[Clincher]

Most people would rather have Porzingis on their team, and that's a fair take. But I think it's worth pointing out that Randle (who came to NY through cap space freed up by the Porzingis trade, I believe) is only 9 months older than KP; has played in every game at an average of 37 mpg; and is averaging almost 23, 11, and 7. Probably playing better D than earlier in his career too.

The Knicks didn't sign KD and Kyrie; DSJ hasn't been good so far; the Mavs' picks the Knicks will receive likely will not be lottery picks; but think I think Randle's play makes the KP trade look a little better in retrospect and once again proves my theory that Frank Isola is always wrong:

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Trading Porzingis might have been the only thing that could be done at that point as things had grown sour, but I doubt it. But the 2 things missing in this equation is that Durant himself mentioned that KP was a player that he’d like to play with, so the Knicks did things ass backwards if one of the goals trading him was to help their free agency prospects. Plus they also negotiated a hilariously bad trade package which only looks 5 times worse in hindsight with the value of high level players continuing to rise.

The Knicks screwed up here, and that’s the sort of stuff that happens when you have a dysfunctional front office with an interim GM pulling the strings.

I would wait until the draft picks all happen before deeming this a failure. Given KP would have bolted, I would be happy to get a fringe starter or solid bench prospect with the unprotected pick all things considered. Would I have liked to have seen more sure but I don't deem this a failed trade, especially if the cap space leads to a good surplus package for Randle.

[3toheadmelo]

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[Zenzibar]

Most people would rather have Porzingis on their team, and that's a fair take. But I think it's worth pointing out that Randle (who came to NY through cap space freed up by the Porzingis trade, I believe) is only 9 months older than KP; has played in every game at an average of 37 mpg; and is averaging almost 23, 11, and 7. Probably playing better D than earlier in his career too.

The Knicks didn't sign KD and Kyrie; DSJ hasn't been good so far; the Mavs' picks the Knicks will receive likely will not be lottery picks; but think I think Randle's play makes the KP trade look a little better in retrospect and once again proves my theory that Frank Isola is always wrong:

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Trading Porzingis might have been the only thing that could be done at that point as things had grown sour, but I doubt it. But the 2 things missing in this equation is that Durant himself mentioned that KP was a player that he’d like to play with, so the Knicks did things ass backwards if one of the goals trading him was to help their free agency prospects. Plus they also negotiated a hilariously bad trade package which only looks 5 times worse in hindsight with the value of high level players continuing to rise.

The Knicks screwed up here, and that’s the sort of stuff that happens when you have a dysfunctional front office with an interim GM pulling the strings.

That's partially true and the NY fans recognize and have suffered through these front offices, no question. Hopefully Leon Rose, Walt Perrin (formally draft director for Utah), Kenny Payne (assistant head coach at Kentucky), Coach Thibs, former Oklahoma City Thunder scout Frank Zanin and others, can establish some stability.
Overall- the fans seem happy about what looks like an overall improvement defensively (top 3).

See Phil Jackson and the KP team started bumping heads due to the infighting between Carmelo and Phil, Phil had a Celtic offer of Brown and the #3, which turned out to be Tatum. It was somehow shot down.
Then Phil got fired, Mills elevated and news of a lawsuit against KP. Obviously it got nasty and a breakup inevitable.

It still may be too early to judge the winner of the trade but for me, I have no complaints so far.

[Texas Chuck]

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How in the world are you following this local Dallas hack?

Spoiler:

Also, he's right.

[Dave DaButcher]

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It’s a fair point. The challenge the Mavs have is that KP is unlikely to command much in the way of trade value. A brittle diva with an albatross contract will be hard to unload.

Selfishly as a Knicks fan, since we now own the Mavs’ draft capital, I hope they keep KP, thereby preventing them from constructing a more sensible roster to compliment Luka.

[GYK]

While I think Randle is playing better than KP..that Frank quote wasn’t in praise. It was cynical

[3toheadmelo]

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How in the world are you following this local Dallas hack?

Spoiler:

Also, he's right.

I saw a Knicks fan retweet it lol not following him

[Texas Chuck]

I saw a Knicks fan retweet it lol not following him

Gotcha. Because he's a spare former baseball player who thinks he's a basketball expert who got fired from the good sports station for calling Spurs fans "dirty Mexicans". Just a complete shock jock clown. Was so confused why a New York guy would be following him.

[iLLmatic860]

KP is better talent wise but his attitude is terrible and him enabling his big brother to be some hot shot sports agent who thinks he's Scott Boras brings him down to Randle's level who by all accounts isn't a locker room problem and doesn't make it about him all the time. KP on a good team is fine but on a rebuilding team is the first guy to tuck his tail and leave when the going get's tough, not someone I want. He would see draft picks and prospects on the team go if it gave him a better shot to compete even if it isn't the correct way to build a roster.

How do Mavs fans feel about KPs brother?

Has he done anything in Dallas like he did on knicks

[zonedefense]

KP is better talent wise but his attitude is terrible and him enabling his big brother to be some hot shot sports agent who thinks he's Scott Boras brings him down to Randle's level who by all accounts isn't a locker room problem and doesn't make it about him all the time. KP on a good team is fine but on a rebuilding team is the first guy to tuck his tail and leave when the going get's tough, not someone I want. He would see draft picks and prospects on the team go if it gave him a better shot to compete even if it isn't the correct way to build a roster.

How do Mavs fans feel about KPs brother?

Has he done anything in Dallas like he did on knicks

I don´t think his name was ever mentioned in the last 1 1/2 years.

[RoxSteady]

Most people would rather have Porzingis on their team, and that's a fair take. But I think it's worth pointing out that Randle (who came to NY through cap space freed up by the Porzingis trade, I believe) is only 9 months older than KP; has played in every game at an average of 37 mpg; and is averaging almost 23, 11, and 7. Probably playing better D than earlier in his career too.

The Knicks didn't sign KD and Kyrie; DSJ hasn't been good so far; the Mavs' picks the Knicks will receive likely will not be lottery picks; but think I think Randle's play makes the KP trade look a little better in retrospect and once again proves my theory that Frank Isola is always wrong:

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Trading Porzingis might have been the only thing that could be done at that point as things had grown sour, but I doubt it. But the 2 things missing in this equation is that Durant himself mentioned that KP was a player that he’d like to play with, so the Knicks did things ass backwards if one of the goals trading him was to help their free agency prospects. Plus they also negotiated a hilariously bad trade package which only looks 5 times worse in hindsight with the value of high level players continuing to rise.

The Knicks screwed up here, and that’s the sort of stuff that happens when you have a dysfunctional front office with an interim GM pulling the strings.

Was it possible to sign KD while keeping KP? I thought trading Hardaway and Courtney Lee along with KP is what allowed them to clear the cap space that would've been necessary to sign KD.