Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II)

[RoyceDa59]

Tough scenario for Curry this year.

[zimpy27]

I think the title should be changed to "Stephen Curry has been LoL-ally LoL-osed"

[JN61]

If they miss the playoffs, it won't be because he didn't perform at the highest level. I don't know how can anyone debate this.

Issue with Curry is his impact on the game is minimal outside of his shooting, which granted is the greatest of all time. Last night was perfect example of it. Outside of him and Wiggins they were shooting on an elite level from 3 last night. He managed to get all his assists on hot 3 point shots and few pass out of double team to wide open layup by Draymond (because Wizards are incompetent defensive team). No assists since early 3rd if I remember right, which was one of reasons down the stretch why they lost. No easy shots. I don't know if it is Curry fearing the moment but he also didn't even try to get to the ball on the last possession but just accepted his fate of Westbrook shutting him down defensively which was very weird.

If he had elite playmaking ability like Paul, LeBron or Westbrook his ability to rise the roof would be immense. But now we see them struggling to make the play in tournament and recent improved team record is mostly down to Curry having all time hot streak of games, otherwise they haven't been so good and lacked someone to create easy shots and layups for them, especially when Green sits.

You don't think he has elite playmaking ability because he doesn't get assists...this is really being written in 2021? The guy comes of a screen, draws 2 defenders and sets up a teammate for a wide open shot so many times a game it can't be missed. Off ball impact is more valuable and scalable than on ball impact.

30/30 of starting caliber point guards in the league can drive the ball and pass to wide open 3... That is the easiest pass to make in the basketball. You need to have skill to create easy offense and shooting 3s is not it unless you have Durant, Thompson and Curry on the floor and you are Draymond Green. And their record is evident of it. They aren't elite 3 point shooting team but if your only playmaking is that you are going to have a bad time when you force bad 3 point shooters to shoot.

[nikster]

The Warriors don't play in the East, so why keep referencing what their position would be if they were in the East and if they never played any games without Curry? 7th in the West still puts them in the play-in round just like they are right now. Curry has played with all-stars and deep benches for years now. This is finally his chance to carry a bad roster. Can he make the playoffs? We'll find out soon.

what more do you think he should be doing exactly at this point?

Make the playoffs. I mean, tonight they had a very winnable game against a bad Washington team and he went 7-25 from the field and 2-14 from 3. Everyone has bad games of course, but you can't afford very many of those when you're fighting for your playoff lives. Their schedule is pretty easy from here on out. They play the Pelicans 3 times, the Thunder twice, as well as the Kings, Rockets, and Timberwolves. They also have a game against the Grizzlies. With 13 games left, they only have three hard games left - Denver, Utah, and Phoenix. The other 10 are all very winnable. Plenty of chances to move up the standings and make the play-in round easier for themselves.

I honestly can't tell if your trolling. You realize these exact same arguments could be made about Lebron in 2019? Team was slightly above 500 with him on the court, missed the playoffs, activated playoff mode, and lost games to weak teams like ATL, NYK, and the Pelicans down the stretch

[nikster]

Issue with Curry is his impact on the game is minimal outside of his shooting, which granted is the greatest of all time. Last night was perfect example of it. Outside of him and Wiggins they were shooting on an elite level from 3 last night. He managed to get all his assists on hot 3 point shots and few pass out of double team to wide open layup by Draymond (because Wizards are incompetent defensive team). No assists since early 3rd if I remember right, which was one of reasons down the stretch why they lost. No easy shots. I don't know if it is Curry fearing the moment but he also didn't even try to get to the ball on the last possession but just accepted his fate of Westbrook shutting him down defensively which was very weird.

If he had elite playmaking ability like Paul, LeBron or Westbrook his ability to rise the roof would be immense. But now we see them struggling to make the play in tournament and recent improved team record is mostly down to Curry having all time hot streak of games, otherwise they haven't been so good and lacked someone to create easy shots and layups for them, especially when Green sits.

You don't think he has elite playmaking ability because he doesn't get assists...this is really being written in 2021? The guy comes of a screen, draws 2 defenders and sets up a teammate for a wide open shot so many times a game it can't be missed. Off ball impact is more valuable and scalable than on ball impact.

30/30 of starting caliber point guards in the league can drive the ball and pass to wide open 3... That is the easiest pass to make in the basketball. You need to have skill to create easy offense and shooting 3s is not it unless you have Durant, Thompson and Curry on the floor and you are Draymond Green. And their record is evident of it. They aren't elite 3 point shooting team but if your only playmaking is that you are going to have a bad time when you force bad 3 point shooters to shoot.

I guess the offense being almost 10 points better per 100 with Curry on the floor isn't enough. I'm 2016 with the #1 ranked offense in the league, Warriors we're 13 points per possession better offensively with Curry on the court..

Denying his impact on the offensive end is insane

[WarriorGM]

Tough scenario for Curry this year.

Do you want to add to that?

You wrote the following in a thread that caught my attention previously:

I think Currys true impact on the game is coming back to Earth. His weaknesses were masked for most of his prime being on the most stacked team in modern history.

He’s unquestionably the best shooter of all time, but he’s never been in the conversation for best player in the league. He’s too small, plays no defense and relies far too much on outside shooting.

Still an amazing player, but better as a #2 on a championship team.

Still think the same or not?

Curry was #1 on a championship team. Whether people realize it or not he was #1 on other championship teams too. The guy behind two of the greatest team records in the NBA should always default to the #1 status in a sane world.

[dhsilv2]

Issue with Curry is his impact on the game is minimal outside of his shooting, which granted is the greatest of all time. Last night was perfect example of it. Outside of him and Wiggins they were shooting on an elite level from 3 last night. He managed to get all his assists on hot 3 point shots and few pass out of double team to wide open layup by Draymond (because Wizards are incompetent defensive team). No assists since early 3rd if I remember right, which was one of reasons down the stretch why they lost. No easy shots. I don't know if it is Curry fearing the moment but he also didn't even try to get to the ball on the last possession but just accepted his fate of Westbrook shutting him down defensively which was very weird.

If he had elite playmaking ability like Paul, LeBron or Westbrook his ability to rise the roof would be immense. But now we see them struggling to make the play in tournament and recent improved team record is mostly down to Curry having all time hot streak of games, otherwise they haven't been so good and lacked someone to create easy shots and layups for them, especially when Green sits.

You don't think he has elite playmaking ability because he doesn't get assists...this is really being written in 2021? The guy comes of a screen, draws 2 defenders and sets up a teammate for a wide open shot so many times a game it can't be missed. Off ball impact is more valuable and scalable than on ball impact.

30/30 of starting caliber point guards in the league can drive the ball and pass to wide open 3... That is the easiest pass to make in the basketball. You need to have skill to create easy offense and shooting 3s is not it unless you have Durant, Thompson and Curry on the floor and you are Draymond Green. And their record is evident of it. They aren't elite 3 point shooting team but if your only playmaking is that you are going to have a bad time when you force bad 3 point shooters to shoot.

It's a great thing that Curry creates more layups than anyone in the league.

[thebigbird]

what more do you think he should be doing exactly at this point?

Make the playoffs. I mean, tonight they had a very winnable game against a bad Washington team and he went 7-25 from the field and 2-14 from 3. Everyone has bad games of course, but you can't afford very many of those when you're fighting for your playoff lives. Their schedule is pretty easy from here on out. They play the Pelicans 3 times, the Thunder twice, as well as the Kings, Rockets, and Timberwolves. They also have a game against the Grizzlies. With 13 games left, they only have three hard games left - Denver, Utah, and Phoenix. The other 10 are all very winnable. Plenty of chances to move up the standings and make the play-in round easier for themselves.

I honestly can't tell if your trolling. You realize these exact same arguments could be made about Lebron in 2019? Team was slightly above 500 with him on the court, missed the playoffs, activated playoff mode, and lost games to weak teams like ATL, NYK, and the Pelicans down the stretch

Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

[mademan]

3 best players in the league havent really changed over the past 5 years, imo. Lebron/Curry/Harden. Theyre overall playmaking (Harden/Lebron) or gravity (Steph) just gives them a big edge over Kawhi/KD, who, awesome as they are, are just far more 1 dimensional on the offensive end (basically just iso scorers)

[clyde21]

Make the playoffs. I mean, tonight they had a very winnable game against a bad Washington team and he went 7-25 from the field and 2-14 from 3. Everyone has bad games of course, but you can't afford very many of those when you're fighting for your playoff lives. Their schedule is pretty easy from here on out. They play the Pelicans 3 times, the Thunder twice, as well as the Kings, Rockets, and Timberwolves. They also have a game against the Grizzlies. With 13 games left, they only have three hard games left - Denver, Utah, and Phoenix. The other 10 are all very winnable. Plenty of chances to move up the standings and make the play-in round easier for themselves.

I honestly can't tell if your trolling. You realize these exact same arguments could be made about Lebron in 2019? Team was slightly above 500 with him on the court, missed the playoffs, activated playoff mode, and lost games to weak teams like ATL, NYK, and the Pelicans down the stretch

Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

I'm not sure what ur not understanding about the fact that the Warriors are 1-7 in games Steph doesn't play, and when he plays they are at 28-22...like this has been repeated to you many times in this thread already...if you are not actually willing to have an honest conversation just say so so we can moved passed this accordingly

and that 21 year old you keep talking about, his team went 4-3 without him when he missed the same amount of time earlier in the year. funny how this whole team thing works. you seemed to fully understand it back in 2019 when it came to LeBron for some reason.

[Asianiac_24]

Make the playoffs. I mean, tonight they had a very winnable game against a bad Washington team and he went 7-25 from the field and 2-14 from 3. Everyone has bad games of course, but you can't afford very many of those when you're fighting for your playoff lives. Their schedule is pretty easy from here on out. They play the Pelicans 3 times, the Thunder twice, as well as the Kings, Rockets, and Timberwolves. They also have a game against the Grizzlies. With 13 games left, they only have three hard games left - Denver, Utah, and Phoenix. The other 10 are all very winnable. Plenty of chances to move up the standings and make the play-in round easier for themselves.

I honestly can't tell if your trolling. You realize these exact same arguments could be made about Lebron in 2019? Team was slightly above 500 with him on the court, missed the playoffs, activated playoff mode, and lost games to weak teams like ATL, NYK, and the Pelicans down the stretch

Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

The Warriors are 1-8 without Curry. In the games Curry does play, they are 28-21, which is on pace for 8th in 2019.

As for the 2019 Lakers, LeBron is pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion. That team is tenfold better than this Warriors team, which would be in the running for first pick without Curry.

[Spintown]

Wiggins, Green, Oubre, Wiseman, Looney, Bazemore, Poole Still considered G-Leaguers Though?

Stats show that Wiseman might be the worst guy to get meaningful minutes in the nba in the last 30 years. So he might literally have been playing with the worst key player as far back as we have impact data. 538 shows the warriors like 70 points better in ELO thanks to him being injured.

LOL is that your strawman argument

[dhsilv2]

Wiggins, Green, Oubre, Wiseman, Looney, Bazemore, Poole Still considered G-Leaguers Though?

Stats show that Wiseman might be the worst guy to get meaningful minutes in the nba in the last 30 years. So he might literally have been playing with the worst key player as far back as we have impact data. 538 shows the warriors like 70 points better in ELO thanks to him being injured.

LOL is that your strawman argument

It shows that the list you put together wasn't based on watching games or reviewing basketball stats. No list would include Wiseman if G league was the standard...he's actually the perfect example of a guy who'd be better served in the g league.

[thebigbird]

I honestly can't tell if your trolling. You realize these exact same arguments could be made about Lebron in 2019? Team was slightly above 500 with him on the court, missed the playoffs, activated playoff mode, and lost games to weak teams like ATL, NYK, and the Pelicans down the stretch

Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

I'm not sure what ur not understanding about the fact that the Warriors are 1-7 in games Steph doesn't play, and when he plays they are at 28-22...like this has been repeated to you many times in this thread already...if you are not actually willing to have an honest conversation just say so so we can moved passed this accordingly

and that 21 year old you keep talking about, his team went 4-3 without him when he missed the same amount of time earlier in the year. funny how this whole team thing works.

I ‘ignore’ it because it doesn’t really matter to me. His team is going to get into the play-in round despite the 1-7 in games he didn’t play in. The 9th and 10th seeds have a chance to make the playoffs this year because of it. Should we not expect him to win in the play-in round and make the playoffs? I really don’t see why expecting him to make the playoffs, especially given that he’s healthy right now and playing as good as he ever has, is an outrageous expectation.

[clyde21]

Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

I'm not sure what ur not understanding about the fact that the Warriors are 1-7 in games Steph doesn't play, and when he plays they are at 28-22...like this has been repeated to you many times in this thread already...if you are not actually willing to have an honest conversation just say so so we can moved passed this accordingly

and that 21 year old you keep talking about, his team went 4-3 without him when he missed the same amount of time earlier in the year. funny how this whole team thing works.

I ‘ignore’ it because it doesn’t really matter to me.

you could've said context doesn't matter to you from the beginning and we could've avoided this exchange.

and, since context doesn't really matter, LeBron missing the POs in 2019 on a better team than this would be a wayyyy bigger stain on his legacy than anything that will happen to Steph this year considering he pretty much quit at the end of the year.

[clyde21]

Wiggins, Green, Oubre, Wiseman, Looney, Bazemore, Poole Still considered G-Leaguers Though?

Stats show that Wiseman might be the worst guy to get meaningful minutes in the nba in the last 30 years. So he might literally have been playing with the worst key player as far back as we have impact data. 538 shows the warriors like 70 points better in ELO thanks to him being injured.

LOL is that your strawman argument

what happened to you in the previous thread, you were missin for a while.

[WarriorGM]

Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

I'm not sure what ur not understanding about the fact that the Warriors are 1-7 in games Steph doesn't play, and when he plays they are at 28-22...like this has been repeated to you many times in this thread already...if you are not actually willing to have an honest conversation just say so so we can moved passed this accordingly

and that 21 year old you keep talking about, his team went 4-3 without him when he missed the same amount of time earlier in the year. funny how this whole team thing works.

I ‘ignore’ it because it doesn’t really matter to me. His team is going to get into the play-in round despite the 1-7 in games he didn’t play in. The 9th and 10th seeds have a chance to make the playoffs this year because of it. Should we not expect him to win in the play-in round and make the playoffs? I really don’t see why expecting him to make the playoffs, especially given that he’s healthy right now and playing as good as he ever has, is an outrageous expectation.

If the Warriors make the 8th seed can we all agree Curry is simply better than LeBron?

[thebigbird]

I honestly can't tell if your trolling. You realize these exact same arguments could be made about Lebron in 2019? Team was slightly above 500 with him on the court, missed the playoffs, activated playoff mode, and lost games to weak teams like ATL, NYK, and the Pelicans down the stretch

Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

The Warriors are 1-8 without Curry. In the games Curry does play, they are 28-21, which is on pace for 8th in 2019.

As for the 2019 Lakers, LeBron is pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion. That team is tenfold better than this Warriors team, which would be in the running for first pick without Curry.

Lol, how in the world was LeBron “pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion” in 2019? Three players on this Pelicans team were on that Lakers team. Lonzo Ball played 47 games in 2019. Brandon Ingram played 52 games. LeBron, Alonzo, and Ingram played 23 games together that season and went 15-8. But sure, he “pretty much was playing with the current Pels minus Zion.”

[clyde21]

Except they can’t. I can tell this will be a waste of my time typing this out, but I will anyway. LeBron played 67% of his team’s games and was still not healthy when he came back. He wasn’t close to 100% and anyone who watched could tell. Curry has been healthy the vast majority of the year. He’s played 86% of his games. The 8th seed in 2019 was 48-34. That’d be equivalent to 33-24 through 57 games. The 8th seed this year is 29-28. Curry’s getting praised for having his team under .500 and in the 10th seed. A fully healthy Curry playing as well as he ever has should be able to get his team past a Memphis team led by a 21 year old and into the playoffs.

The Warriors are 1-8 without Curry. In the games Curry does play, they are 28-21, which is on pace for 8th in 2019.

As for the 2019 Lakers, LeBron is pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion. That team is tenfold better than this Warriors team, which would be in the running for first pick without Curry.

Lol, how in the world was LeBron “pretty much playing with the current Pels minus Zion” in 2019? Three players on this Pelicans team were on that Lakers team. Lonzo Ball played 47 games in 2019. Brandon Ingram played 52 games. LeBron, Alonzo, and Ingram played 23 games together that season and went 15-8. But sure, he “pretty much was playing with the current Pels minus Zion.”

[Spintown]

Stats show that Wiseman might be the worst guy to get meaningful minutes in the nba in the last 30 years. So he might literally have been playing with the worst key player as far back as we have impact data. 538 shows the warriors like 70 points better in ELO thanks to him being injured.

LOL is that your strawman argument

It shows that the list you put together wasn't based on watching games or reviewing basketball stats. No list would include Wiseman if G league was the standard...he's actually the perfect example of a guy who'd be better served in the g league.

You are arguing for one guy on the list and not even giving good reasoning. Wiseman is a Rookie and compared to other rookies he has pretty good numbers at worst he's in the Top 10 amongst Rookies and a shoe in to make the all rookie team. He still has tons of potential and far from a G-Leaguer. Do you know what a G-Leaguer is? Think of guys like Antonius Cleveland, Andre Ingram, Jarrell Eddie, etc