LeBron James on the play-in tournament:"Whoever came up with that needs to be fired"

[monopoman]

NBA Fans before we had this..

The season is too long and the games don't really matter!

NBA Fans after this...

God, this is dumb the fact that a 10th seed could make the playoffs is a joke!

This accomplishes two things it makes the final seeds go to the better teams 9 times out of 10 meaning better playoffs overall usually, and it also makes teams battle more for a top 5 spot to avoid the play-in tournament. The beast 5 teams in the EC and WC will still make the playoffs no matter what. I see nothing wrong with a play-in tournament and I bet if it had been like this for 20 years no one would say ****.

**** make every season 62-72 games roughly, and have a play-in tournament to help ensure better teams making the playoffs. If the teams currently in the playoff seeding are truly better they should easily hold onto their playoff seed. I even say this as a fan of a team that is currently in the 6th spot due to a 3 way tie that puts them in the play in tournament.

Injuries for me make a play in tournament for the one prize a huge no no. Like all the way no. You got to 8 because you were better in the RS. Reward it don’t comprise it. Depth is already scarce in the NBA don’t want to go further.
Watch what happens if a young star gets injured players are already not liking it (it’s very understandable, any person would be like wtf you are 10th we are 7th gtfo you don’t deserve another chance try better next year.)
Between 7-10 there good be a big sized gap between wins. That’s not on

That sounds fine but not every team has the same path through the regular season, injuries effect teams differently some teams deal with a lot more hardships for one reason or another. Acting like Oh man the 7th seed is clearly better than the 9th because they won a handful of more games is a joke. **** we rarely see the #1 team in regular season wins bring home the trophy all said and done, so acting like more regular season wins is the end all be all is ridiculous.

****, even last year when Covid cut the season short the Blazers were about to have their easiest portion of the season and had the potential to rise in the standings, meanwhile the Grizz were about to have their hardest portion of the season remaining and had that entirely cut out of their schedule. Like I said the NBA is not fair period, acting like any one system is vastly more fair is a joke.

[Bruin]

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[Sgt Major]

Football brings in buckets loads more $$$ that isn’t even a question here. No cap so salary more players across the world get paid. Bigger revenue too. Biggest sport in the world. More people watch the World Cup Finals then the Olympics lol.

EPL players get a half a mill more on average and there’s like 8+ legitimate world class leagues across the world. Deeper talent, more depth etc.

English, Spanish, German, French, Brazil, Italian, Argentine, Dutch, Mexican. Once again biggest sport in the world not close.

I mean playins last year were kind of dud. For Football it’s for very good reasons too. playing for serious stuff, mid level clubs rejoice big time winning a any tourney cup.

But that goes only for the top-tier teams, not for those getting into the play-ins, especially the relegation/promotion ones.

Of course football is the biggest sport on the planet, no question about that.

And now that you've mentioned it, one of the reasons football is so good is the fact that the surprises can always happen when only one or two games are played in the finals or knock-out phases. They don't occur so often, but when they do, it goes straight into the legendary achievements books.

The NBA's best in 7 system does not allow many surprises and the play-in actually does that, so it makes things interesting.

Might want to watch Sunderland Til I Die. Brilliant documentary one of the best ever in any sports imo.
It was amazing to get an in depth look at a team that’s spent decades in the EPL and their fall from grace. Very storied franchise pre 21st century. It’s culture, peoples livelhood so to speak

Cities, towns are incredibly dependent on the Clubs outcomes.
Promotions/Relegations is massively important (it’s their World Cup final so to speak for teams, huge $$$$ at stake loss or gain).

Thanks for the reminder, Sunderland Til I Die has been on my IMDB watchlist since forever, totally forgot about it.

Yeah, what you're saying is true, but still, that's what makes sports exciting. Not all the cities depend that much on their clubs' success, but that's where history and industry kick-in. Sunderland, Newcastle and other cities in the northern parts of England got **** by the Witch in the late 80s, but other teams/towns across the country are in different positions. Also, there's always the flip-side too - with Sunderland going down, someone went up and that brought happiness, money etc.

[mcmurphy]

**** him, the play-in is awesome.

How? It totally destroys the regular season meaning .

This is absurd. Regular season is much more important now. Teams were just coasting the last 10-15 games, resting players etc. Not the case now.

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exactly... this is the point

every season last 10 games was garbage games... now no more

[DCasey91]

But that goes only for the top-tier teams, not for those getting into the play-ins, especially the relegation/promotion ones.

Of course football is the biggest sport on the planet, no question about that.

And now that you've mentioned it, one of the reasons football is so good is the fact that the surprises can always happen when only one or two games are played in the finals or knock-out phases. They don't occur so often, but when they do, it goes straight into the legendary achievements books.

The NBA's best in 7 system does not allow many surprises and the play-in actually does that, so it makes things interesting.

Might want to watch Sunderland Til I Die. Brilliant documentary one of the best ever in any sports imo.
It was amazing to get an in depth look at a team that’s spent decades in the EPL and their fall from grace. Very storied franchise pre 21st century. It’s culture, peoples livelhood so to speak

Cities, towns are incredibly dependent on the Clubs outcomes.
Promotions/Relegations is massively important (it’s their World Cup final so to speak for teams, huge $$$$ at stake loss or gain).

Thanks for the reminder, Sunderland Til I Die has been on my IMDB watchlist since forever, totally forgot about it.

Yeah, what you're saying is true, but still, that's what makes sports exciting. Not all the cities depend that much on their clubs' success, but that's where history and industry kick-in. Sunderland, Newcastle and other cities in the northern parts of England got **** by the Witch in the late 80s, but other teams/towns across the country are in different positions. Also, there's always the flip-side too - with Sunderland going down, someone went up and that brought happiness, money etc.

Oh man if your a sports nut it’s highly enjoyable, has real passion put into it. 100% binge worthy and Football isn’t even my favorite sport (Not even top 3 lol).

Some points in the episodes you just want to give the team and the fan base a massive hug lol.

Also true some cities aren’t as reliant but Newcastle your right there great example.

Yeah sports are exciting when you don’t know the results are a foregone conclusion. I mean I wouldn’t have picked the Heat to get to the finals let alone ECF.

NFL has some wild elimination games too.

[Sgt Major]

Might want to watch Sunderland Til I Die. Brilliant documentary one of the best ever in any sports imo.
It was amazing to get an in depth look at a team that’s spent decades in the EPL and their fall from grace. Very storied franchise pre 21st century. It’s culture, peoples livelhood so to speak

Cities, towns are incredibly dependent on the Clubs outcomes.
Promotions/Relegations is massively important (it’s their World Cup final so to speak for teams, huge $$$$ at stake loss or gain).

Thanks for the reminder, Sunderland Til I Die has been on my IMDB watchlist since forever, totally forgot about it.

Yeah, what you're saying is true, but still, that's what makes sports exciting. Not all the cities depend that much on their clubs' success, but that's where history and industry kick-in. Sunderland, Newcastle and other cities in the northern parts of England got **** by the Witch in the late 80s, but other teams/towns across the country are in different positions. Also, there's always the flip-side too - with Sunderland going down, someone went up and that brought happiness, money etc.

Oh man if your a sports nut it’s highly enjoyable, has real passion put into it. 100% binge worthy and Football isn’t even my favorite sport (Not even top 3 lol).

Some points in the episodes you just want to give the team and the fan base a massive hug lol.

Also true some cities aren’t as reliant but Newcastle your right there great example.

Yeah sports are exciting when you don’t know the results are a foregone conclusion. I mean I wouldn’t have picked the Heat to get to the finals let alone ECF.

NFL has some wild elimination games too.

Exactly, but that's because there's no overlong series!

[Khaled1987]

I don't like it as I am more "purist" but I totally understand it has very positive effect on competitiveness.
My only question is about durability,how long before teams feel it isn't qorth it to fight for 10th place? Just to be out after 1 or 2 games and just mess with your tanking/rebuild?
I think its effect will not be as strong in 3 or 4 years from now, which will probably be the time to assess it

[DCasey91]

Thanks for the reminder, Sunderland Til I Die has been on my IMDB watchlist since forever, totally forgot about it.

Yeah, what you're saying is true, but still, that's what makes sports exciting. Not all the cities depend that much on their clubs' success, but that's where history and industry kick-in. Sunderland, Newcastle and other cities in the northern parts of England got **** by the Witch in the late 80s, but other teams/towns across the country are in different positions. Also, there's always the flip-side too - with Sunderland going down, someone went up and that brought happiness, money etc.

Oh man if your a sports nut it’s highly enjoyable, has real passion put into it. 100% binge worthy and Football isn’t even my favorite sport (Not even top 3 lol).

Some points in the episodes you just want to give the team and the fan base a massive hug lol.

Also true some cities aren’t as reliant but Newcastle your right there great example.

Yeah sports are exciting when you don’t know the results are a foregone conclusion. I mean I wouldn’t have picked the Heat to get to the finals let alone ECF.

NFL has some wild elimination games too.

Exactly, but that's because there's no overlong series!

Our national sport (which is batsh*t crazy btw) has that only top 4 get a second chance and even that has a downside 14 days off when your gunning it is too long of a break going to change it it’s turning out to be a disadvantage makes perfect sense). Throws up surprising results in one do or die game basically. 4 elimination (including the final game) games in a row to win the thing seen it, it’s mad fun to watch.

[mcmurphy]

Also imagine the tales if Curry knocked out LeBron in the play-in tournament... Ooooh boy, I'm so not ready for that

I'm only imagine what could have happened with a Curry who alone lead the GSW to the play-ins and then he was back in time Klay...

[Sushisensei26]

**** him, the play-in is awesome.

How? It totally destroys the regular season meaning .

I disagree, because you end up in the play-in tournament based on your regular season record.

Maybe I'm used to that because it's something well known in European football leagues and it's usually super-exciting.

Are you talking about the first division (now called championship) playoffs in England?

They have promotion playoffs to determine the third side that will be promoted after the top two in the league are automatically moved up to the premier league. Teams from 3rd to 6th play to get in. It’s for teams near the top of the league not the teams near the bottom of the league as it is in the nba. Not the same thing in my opinion.

And the play in tournaments or promotion playoffs are all in lower divisions as far as I know. Spain’s segunda division and tercera division have playoffs but of course the primera division doesn’t just like the premier league in England doesn’t or serie A in Italy. It’s just not considered suitable in the elite division of football in the major countries. The top of the class competition shouldn’t have this kind of gimmick

Shortening the season is so obvious but it won’t happen because why lose money when you can make more money by broadcasting the excitement of crappy team number 10 facing the crappy team number 9 but it’s play ins so get excited and sit your ass down and watch our commercials.

While I fully understand and support the purely business decision that this is any other justification is not up to muster.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

**** him, the play-in is awesome.

How? It totally destroys the regular season meaning .

Not really, it makes it extremely more meaningful:
- now Lakers, Mavs and Blazers won't coast to avoid the 7th seed
- there will be a fight for the 8th seed to have this extra out to make it to the post season
- teams like the Pelicans or Spurs will still fight to stay in the top10
Similar dynamic in the east.

The issue of the RS is that it became more and more MEANINGLESS, this is a serious incentive to take it more seriously.

[VancouverRaps]

I'm not a fan of it either, it's almost as stupid as Silver's mid-season tournament idea.

[Sgt Major]

How? It totally destroys the regular season meaning .

I disagree, because you end up in the play-in tournament based on your regular season record.

Maybe I'm used to that because it's something well known in European football leagues and it's usually super-exciting.

Are you talking about the first division (now called championship) playoffs in England?

They have promotion playoffs to determine the third side that will be promoted after the top two in the league are automatically moved up to the premier league. Teams from 3rd to 6th play to get in. It’s for teams near the top of the league not the teams near the bottom of the league as it is in the nba. Not the same thing in my opinion.

And the play in tournaments or promotion playoffs are all in lower divisions as far as I know. Spain’s segunda division and tercera division have playoffs but of course the primera division doesn’t just like the premier league in England doesn’t or serie A in Italy. It’s just not considered suitable in the elite division of football in the major countries.

While I fully understand and support the purely business decision that this is any other justification is not up to muster.

German Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 are different - 18th in the 1st league plays against the 3rd in the 2nd to determine if they switch places or stay where they are. That's extremely exciting.

[SFour]

I don't really understand the hatred towards the play-in....lets at least see how it goes this season, if it's great and entertaining then keep it the following seasons, if not then remove it....I don't see any real harm done in trying it out.

[DCasey91]

I disagree, because you end up in the play-in tournament based on your regular season record.

Maybe I'm used to that because it's something well known in European football leagues and it's usually super-exciting.

Are you talking about the first division (now called championship) playoffs in England?

They have promotion playoffs to determine the third side that will be promoted after the top two in the league are automatically moved up to the premier league. Teams from 3rd to 6th play to get in. It’s for teams near the top of the league not the teams near the bottom of the league as it is in the nba. Not the same thing in my opinion.

And the play in tournaments or promotion playoffs are all in lower divisions as far as I know. Spain’s segunda division and tercera division have playoffs but of course the primera division doesn’t just like the premier league in England doesn’t or serie A in Italy. It’s just not considered suitable in the elite division of football in the major countries.

While I fully understand and support the purely business decision that this is any other justification is not up to muster.

German Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 are different - 18th in the 1st league plays against the 3rd in the 2nd to determine if they switch places or stay where they are. That's extremely exciting.

Yeah legit relegation/promotion finals games are wild to watch, heck even RS games for a CL’s birth etc. the atmosphere is crazy couldn’t imagine it being there live. It’s different though RS games mean like 100x times more then NBA. Derby’s, clash’s, rivalary games, it’s bragging rights.

I always tune into EPL relegation games or the promotional final, they had mad crowds at Wembley.
Apparently that promotional game is supposed to be the most valuable game. Makes sense it’s a whole extra year losing out on revenue playing in the best league in the world. It changes lives

[Sushisensei26]

I disagree, because you end up in the play-in tournament based on your regular season record.

Maybe I'm used to that because it's something well known in European football leagues and it's usually super-exciting.

Are you talking about the first division (now called championship) playoffs in England?

They have promotion playoffs to determine the third side that will be promoted after the top two in the league are automatically moved up to the premier league. Teams from 3rd to 6th play to get in. It’s for teams near the top of the league not the teams near the bottom of the league as it is in the nba. Not the same thing in my opinion.

And the play in tournaments or promotion playoffs are all in lower divisions as far as I know. Spain’s segunda division and tercera division have playoffs but of course the primera division doesn’t just like the premier league in England doesn’t or serie A in Italy. It’s just not considered suitable in the elite division of football in the major countries.

While I fully understand and support the purely business decision that this is any other justification is not up to muster.

German Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 are different - 18th in the 1st league plays against the 3rd in the 2nd to determine if they switch places or stay where they are. That's extremely exciting.

I think you meant 16th vs 3rd from Buli 2 as Buli 1 has only 18 teams. But I get your point. Probably exciting for the clubs involved but everyone else idk.

[Sgt Major]

Are you talking about the first division (now called championship) playoffs in England?

They have promotion playoffs to determine the third side that will be promoted after the top two in the league are automatically moved up to the premier league. Teams from 3rd to 6th play to get in. It’s for teams near the top of the league not the teams near the bottom of the league as it is in the nba. Not the same thing in my opinion.

And the play in tournaments or promotion playoffs are all in lower divisions as far as I know. Spain’s segunda division and tercera division have playoffs but of course the primera division doesn’t just like the premier league in England doesn’t or serie A in Italy. It’s just not considered suitable in the elite division of football in the major countries.

While I fully understand and support the purely business decision that this is any other justification is not up to muster.

German Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 are different - 18th in the 1st league plays against the 3rd in the 2nd to determine if they switch places or stay where they are. That's extremely exciting.

I think you meant 16th vs 3rd from Buli 2 as Buli 1 has only 18 teams. But I get your point. Probably exciting for the clubs involved but everyone else idk.

Yeah, sorry, but you got the point.

[JN61]

Was he for it before?

The fact he now speaks out against it once it actually effects him says what needs to be said

LeBron in the nutshell.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I just want to remind everybody that in the early 00's most players, especially the stars, were against the illegal defense rule changes because it would have "ruined the game".

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Yeah Luka Doncic said the same thing..

https://clutchpoints.com/luka-doncic-is-right-3-reasons-why-the-nba-play-in-tournament-is-a-horrible-idea/

we all knew Luka has a whiner