Is Devin Booker a Bona Fide Superstar Now?

LuckyLeprechaun · Post #81 » by **LuckyLeprechaun** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:51 pm

Booker's #s look very similar to what Beal's were at the same age.

LukaTheGOAT · Post #82 » by **LukaTheGOAT** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 7:56 pm

He's averaging 25.6 pts per 75 possessions on league average efficiency these playoffs. He's a solid but not great playmaker. And his defense is still below average. He is not a superstar yet. Nothing about his game necessarily pops.

uberhikari · Post #83 » by **uberhikari** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:05 pm

How can someone with no All-NBA appearances be a superstar? That's outrageous.

Johnny Bball · Post #84 » by **Johnny Bball** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:11 pm

This thread is the perfect example that I should bookmark.

Poster A; Team X can’t win, they have no superstar.
Poster B-Z; Yep.
Me; How can you be a superstar if you haven’t won yet? Maybe he just needs to win to be called one.
Real gm; They can’t win and he’s no superstar.
Player wins or comes close to.
RGM; He’s now a superstar. Our dogma is secure.

Phystic · Post #85 » by **Phystic** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:16 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
Phystic wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
I am a Booker fan now and happy for his new found success but again still insist that I would never build a team around him. You need a transcendent/generational talent. He is basically a homeless man's Kobe without the athleticism, plus All-NBA defense and intangibles and a sporadic killer instinct

So teams can only be built around transcendent/generational talent? Not sure you're using those words right

No not necesarilly, but if you want to go far and become a legit title contender than yes. When was the last team who's best player wasn't a Top 15 player win a title. The Suns are here because of flawless roster construction by Exec of the Year James Jones, CP3's veteran leadership, floor generalship and force multiplier effect, great team D and superb coaching by Coach of the Year Monty Williams and of course a lot of luck and catching breaks at the times they most needed it. I don't see them being here the same time next season with the path of least resistance

So if You're a top 15 player that makes you transcendent, generational talent?

And didn't you just contradict your own point, which also has nothing to do with the topic of Booker being a superstar, by stating you need a generational talent to win/contend but then explained how/why the Suns have been successful?

TheGOATRises007 · Post #86 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:23 pm

No he isn't.

His playoff run has been extremely overrated by the media masses.

Up-And-Coming · Post #87 » by **Up-And-Coming** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:31 pm

I think it's fair to say his perceived value has increased dramatically this season. If he wins the championship/FMVP then I think he should be considered a bonafide superstar.

Post #88 » by **ATTL** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:32 pm

uberhikari wrote:How can someone with no All-NBA appearances be a superstar? That's outrageous.

You're right, it is outrageous and unfair that he isnt all nba yet. how can someone be a superstar yet not he given the rank of all nba?

CobraCommander · Post #89 » by **CobraCommander** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:35 pm

SUPERVILLAIN wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:I consider a superstar to be a top 10 player.

Booker? He is not a top 10 player. But I will give it to you that he is a bonafide star. Superstar? F*ck no.

Booker is the second best shooting guard in the league almost unanimously after Harden if you don't count Luca as as a 2 which he isn't

So what? He is still not a top 10 player.

I don’t call everyone a superstar.

Wait...he ain’t the number two shooting guard in the NBA....

Is he better that than healthy Klay...better than Tatum or Brown....Beal actually made the all NBA team....what are Kawhi and PG13? Luka and harden point guards...

Booker is good. They win that ring and he moved up a lot of notches because he will be able to argue he is the BEST player on a championship team...you can argue CP3 is or Ayton is ...but it’s up for debate...and with a ring Booker will have something over Tat,brown,Luka, beal etc...

uberhikari · Post #90 » by **uberhikari** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:36 pm

ATTL wrote:
uberhikari wrote:How can someone with no All-NBA appearances be a superstar? That's outrageous.

You're right, it is outrageous and unfair that he isnt all nba yet. how can someone be a superstar yet not he given the rank of all nba?

Right. There's a conspiracy to keep a superstar off the All-NBA team. Nobody is willing to acknowledge how good he is. :crazy:

He's not a superstar. He's not even a top 15 player in the NBA.

HotRocks34 · Post #91 » by **HotRocks34** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:50 pm

Not a superstar yet, but he's definitely on the upward trajectory.

JAYZGOAT · Post #92 » by **JAYZGOAT** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:52 pm

dygaction wrote:
JAYZGOAT wrote:No. Suns would have been on playoffs if he was a superstar. Amazing turn around this season for the suns but that's the CP3 effect

No, CP3 would have been on Finals if he was that good. Amazing turn around this season for CP3 but that's the Jae effect.

For the record, Booker is a hell of a player and I think he is a fringe superstar. I just think the word superstar gets thrown around too much these days. Theres only a handful of true superstars in this league

jfs1000d · Post #93 » by **jfs1000d** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:56 pm

Yes .

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dygaction · Post #94 » by **dygaction** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:56 pm

JAYZGOAT wrote:
dygaction wrote:
JAYZGOAT wrote:No. Suns would have been on playoffs if he was a superstar. Amazing turn around this season for the suns but that's the CP3 effect

No, CP3 would have been on Finals if he was that good. Amazing turn around this season for CP3 but that's the Jae effect.

For the record, Booker is a hell of a player and I think he is a fringe superstar. I just think the word superstar gets thrown around too much these days. Theres only a handful of true superstars in this league

That I agree. CP3 has also retired from superstar status and he is an all star pg now.
Booker is not a top 10 player yet but he may well get FMVP this year. We saw what happened to Wade after that. It is a confidence lifter and can transform a player.

Sal85012 · Post #95 » by **Sal85012** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 9:00 pm

Woodsanity wrote:
Sal85012 wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:This is going to be controversial when it shouldn't be but he has been the 3rd most valuable player on the Suns in these playoffs behind Ayton and CP3.

He is a clear star but still has a ways to go from being a superstar, people need to relax.

The same CP3 that was hurt all 1st round and missed 2 pivotal wins in the WCF and sucked the third game when he returned, that CP3? CP3 is good but maybe just maybe you didnt actually watch the Suns games.

Yes I actually watched every game, maybe you didn't or are biased. Truth hurts but numbers don't lie. Keep on relying on arbitrary eye test because my eye test. If two people see something and have different opinions what can you do? Oh there is such a thing as stats which make things pretty dam clear....

CP3 Playoff PER: 22, BPM: 6.2
Booker Playoff PER: 16.4 BPM .4

No Booker did not play well this playoffs sorry to tell you. I give him a pass due to breaking his nose but I am not going to bull and act like he played better than CP3 and Ayton cause he didn't. Third most valuable get over it.

Lol i dont agree that a guy that was hobbled or out 9 out of 16 games is more an important than a guy playing great basketball playing EVERY game. But you keep looking at stats. Your initial take that CP was more valuable clearly hes not or else the Suns wouldnt be here. To each there own.

Ugalde · Post #96 » by **Ugalde** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 9:09 pm

not for me

dygaction · Post #97 » by **dygaction** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 9:10 pm

Sal85012 wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:
Sal85012 wrote:
The same CP3 that was hurt all 1st round and missed 2 pivotal wins in the WCF and sucked the third game when he returned, that CP3? CP3 is good but maybe just maybe you didnt actually watch the Suns games.

Yes I actually watched every game, maybe you didn't or are biased. Truth hurts but numbers don't lie. Keep on relying on arbitrary eye test because my eye test. If two people see something and have different opinions what can you do? Oh there is such a thing as stats which make things pretty dam clear....

CP3 Playoff PER: 22, BPM: 6.2
Booker Playoff PER: 16.4 BPM .4

No Booker did not play well this playoffs sorry to tell you. I give him a pass due to breaking his nose but I am not going to bull and act like he played better than CP3 and Ayton cause he didn't. Third most valuable get over it.

Lol i dont agree that a guy that was hobbled or out 9 out of 16 games is more an important than a guy playing great basketball playing EVERY game. But you keep looking at stats. Your initial take that CP was more valuable clearly hes not or else the Suns wouldnt be here. To each there own.

The CP3 narrative is unbelievably strong.
MVP by series, first round - Booker, wcsf - CP3, wcf - Ayton, finals - CP3/Booker tied
The easiest series was wcsf, when Ayton basically neutralized Jokic, and CP3/Booker could abuse Campazzo/Rivers. Very seldom can CP3 find a smaller player to feast on.

Rubio9Guy · Post #98 » by **Rubio9Guy** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 9:14 pm

Superstar means at least top 10 player to me and he isn't there

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Ballerhogger · Post #99 » by **Ballerhogger** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 9:16 pm

booker all teams will come in the next year but hes going have to fight for it. Curry,harden, luka, etc

ropjhk · Post #100 » by **ropjhk** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 9:17 pm

Superstars are typically made in the playoffs and Booker has been passing the test so far. Is this one postseason enough to give him the superstar label? It's close for me. I think if he's not considered a superstar by most after this season then next season could be the one to cement that status.

His stock has risen this year and he's climbing up peoples rankings. I expect him to be universally considered a superstar within a couple of seasons.