Ceiling of Evan Mobley

Anticon · Post #81 » by **Anticon** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:55 am

Right now he looks very much like he will have a Gobert-type impact as a base: elite rim protecter and defensive anchor, massive plus minus guy. But more mobile and athletic, able to guard the whole court and smaller/faster players.

But watching him, not clear to me what else he tangibly does. So all the Gasol, Bosh, Durant comparisons - do people not realize how good those guys were offensively? Bosh was automatic as a a shooter from the elbow was he young.

But Mobley has a good shooting stroke so it'll be a matter of Cleveland making sure he has opportunities to develop as a shooter/scorer.

10giz · Post #82 » by **10giz** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:00 pm

Very cool stat I saw on reddit.

Most 2 point PGs so far this season

Anthony Davis • LAL 60
Kevin Durant • BRK 54
Brandon Ingram • NOP 47
Jimmy Butler • MIA 44
Scottie Barnes • TOR 43 Ja Morant • MEM 43
Giannis Antetokounmpo • MIL 42 Domantas Sabonis • IND 42
Nikola Jokić • DEN 41

10giz · Post #83 » by **10giz** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:03 pm

Anticon wrote:Right now he looks very much like he will have a Gobert-type impact as a base: elite rim protecter and defensive anchor, massive plus minus guy. But more mobile and athletic, able to guard the whole court and smaller/faster players.

But watching him, not clear to me what else he tangibly does. So all the Gasol, Bosh, Durant comparisons - do people not realize how good those guys were offensively? Bosh was automatic as a a shooter from the elbow was he young.

But Mobley has a good shooting stroke so it'll be a matter of Cleveland making sure he has opportunities to develop as a shooter/scorer.

I feel like **** comparing any rookie to legit HOF caliber players. It's dumb.

That's especially why I clearly have Barnes ahead.

His biggest weakness has turned into arguably his best strength. He's scoring in a fairly elite way without really any 3s or FTs. He's scoring almost at will in the paint.

As impressive asa Mobley is, his offence at least right now just looks mostly like that of most high energy bigs.

hauntedcomputer · Post #84 » by **hauntedcomputer** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:32 pm

Even by RealGM standards, it's a little surprising to already see him in the GOAT conversation.

draftnightsuit · Post #85 » by **draftnightsuit** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:39 pm

Anticon wrote:Right now he looks very much like he will have a Gobert-type impact as a base: elite rim protecter and defensive anchor, massive plus minus guy. But more mobile and athletic, able to guard the whole court and smaller/faster players.

But watching him, not clear to me what else he tangibly does. So all the Gasol, Bosh, Durant comparisons - do people not realize how good those guys were offensively? Bosh was automatic as a a shooter from the elbow was he young.

But Mobley has a good shooting stroke so it'll be a matter of Cleveland making sure he has opportunities to develop as a shooter/scorer.

Good shooter, excellent finisher with great hands, very good ball handling for a 7 footer, good court vision, good footwork.

Watch on YouTube

tamaraw08 · Post #86 » by **tamaraw08** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:30 pm

durantbird wrote:What's your impressions of the guy? How far can he get? He seems to me like he has Embiid type potential, am I overreacting?

Yes you are overreacting. His ceiling is Kevin Durant

RoyceDa59 · Post #87 » by **RoyceDa59** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:44 pm

I am a Raptors fan and I’m EXTREMELY HIGH on Barnes, and yet, I’d still probably take Mobley long term as a cornerstone. That’s how high I am on mobile two way big men who can anchor a defence and guard all 5 positions while scoring around the basket, hit open mid range jumpers and hit free throws at a reasonable clip.

The things Mobley can do on the court are untrainable due to size, he’s just gifted as a physical specimen.

Mobley and Barnes are the clear cut 2 best players from this draft class.

mulamutti · Post #88 » by **mulamutti** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:43 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:A mixture of Tim Duncan and Chris Bosh IMHO.

that sounds like superman.

But I think a small correction and you're dead on: somewhere in between chris bosh and Tim duncan.

NRSV · Post #89 » by **NRSV** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:49 pm

The offense will largely determine the ceiling and we aren’t really sure what the offense will look like in 3 years.

Jkam31 · Post #90 » by **Jkam31** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:31 pm

NRSV wrote:Don’t ever listen to people who tell you professional sports organizations know what they’re doing. It would take a pretty insane leap for Cade and Green to justify being selected over Mobley. Bigs like Mobley don’t come around often and change franchises. Scoring guards can be drafted every year.

Who knows what the future holds with regards to injuries, etc. but skill sets? He was clearly better as a prospect and now as a pro.

Same for Doncic.

Yes scoring wings come and go but I wouldn’t take a Mobley over wings that create offense/score which this draft had zero. Well Cunningham but I wasn’t that big of a fan of his

Jkam31 · Post #91 » by **Jkam31** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:32 pm

sisibilio wrote:Uberathletic Duncan with 3 pt range.

The **** that’s literally impossible

NRSV · Post #92 » by **NRSV** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:39 pm

Jkam31 wrote:
sisibilio wrote:Uberathletic Duncan with 3 pt range.

The **** that’s literally impossible

There’s clips in this thread showing his 3 PT stroke.

KembaWalker · Post #93 » by **KembaWalker** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:46 pm

Hakeem Olajuwon with Dirk level shooting
GOAT

Post #94 » by **Capn'O** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:48 pm

UcanUwill wrote:worse Garnett? I knew very little of him and Barnes, so I underrated them as prospect, but my good they are legit. I was familiar with Sengun and I really believed Sengun will easily be best big from this draft, but the competition for that is fierce. Both Sengun and Mobley will be big stars in the league if you ask me.

Better. His ceiling is like Duncan level impact. This kid is really good. And, mind you, he's impacting the game the way he is with the complete cluster that is the Cleveland roster.

Post #95 » by **Capn'O** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:55 pm

Bornstellar wrote:
sisibilio wrote:Uberathletic Duncan with 3 pt range.

That sounds like a GOAT level player. Not sure Mobley has THAT kind of potential

That answer was a "tell me when you started watching basketball without telling me when you started watching basketball" answer. Clearly never watched young Duncan.

My comp is Duncan as well though. And Duncan is my favorite non-Ewing player ever.

Post #96 » by **Capn'O** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:39 pm

NRSV wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:
sisibilio wrote:Uberathletic Duncan with 3 pt range.

The **** that’s literally impossible

There’s clips in this thread showing his 3 PT stroke.

He's not more athletic than young Duncan though.

slicedbread2 · Post #97 » by **slicedbread2** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:11 pm

Cleveland got a hell of a steal with this dude. I was a bit disappointed at first that my team couldn't get Mobley, but Barnes has been a sweet pickup so I can't complain.

I can see him being a nice hybrid of KG/AD. I remembered that apparently Davis's injuries were linked to his growth spurt in high school where he literally grew from 6'0 as a freshman to 6'10 as a senior and he didn't really have the opportunity to grow properly into his body leaving him susceptible to nagging injuries. Mobley will need to grow into his frame a bit. The good thing is with Jarrett Allen around Evan won't have to worry about doing things he's not ready to do yet.

The ambidexterity he has displayed when finishing at the rim reminds me of Gary Payton who had a great uncanny ability to do the same as a point guard. If he keeps up his ability to shoot the 3 at a great rate he'll truly be a 3 threat level scorer a la Jokic and I look forward to seeing his progress. Maybe he'll become everything that Brad Daugherty could've been minus the career ending back injury.

Really happy for Cavs fans and hopefully the management doesn't blow it. They've got some interesting pieces and if they could get one more nice wing to grow with this core, they could really be looking nice in a few years time.

sisibilio · Post #98 » by **sisibilio** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:48 pm

I was going to say Duncan never was so nimble, then I remember he played SF for a bit, alongside Robinson and Perdue. :nod:

NRSV · Post #99 » by **NRSV** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:27 pm

hauntedcomputer wrote:Even by RealGM standards, it's a little surprising to already see him in the GOAT conversation.

It’s all about demonstrated traits. The early tape is beyond promising. Compared to a highly touted guy like Wiseman who has yet to demonstrate anything nearing those instincts in far more games.

DCasey91 · Post #100 » by **DCasey91** » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:36 pm

Cavs need a quick roster change ASAP.

Move Sexton, Love (buyout) and Markannen if possible for a wing. Ask the Kings about Barnes. Ask the Hawks about Reddish. Blazers for Covington? They love little guards lol.

The setup is now easy to open up, that’s what happens with 3 bigs and two undersized guards. Pace and pnr to death.

Garland/Allen/Mobley is a very nice starting point.

Two good wings would make that starting unit hum.