If Steph wins MVP, Chip & Finals MVP this year where does he rank ?

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Re: If Steph wins MVP, Chip & Finals MVP this year where does he rank ? 

Post#81 » by a8bil » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:19 am

Peregrine01 wrote:Another thing that deserves mention: Curry is playing the best defense I've ever seen from him. Along with Jokic, the change in rules have allowed him to be more aggressive on defense whereas previously they were afraid of getting into foul trouble. I don't think it's hyperbole to say that he's been one of the best defensive guards this year.
Glad some fans have been paying attention. He's been great this year.
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Post#82 » by QingJames » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:26 am

Floody100 wrote:
GregOden wrote:
Floody100 wrote:I think it pretty obvious if he achieves all this he’ll be in the top 10 but exactly what position in that top 10 will he rank ?


Who do you think he pushes out of the Top 10?


1 MJ
2 Lebron
3 Kareem
4 Russell
5 Magic
6 Bird
7 Duncan
8 Shaq
9 Wilt
10 Hakeem
11 KD
12 Kobe
13 Steph


Get KD outta there wtf.
eyeatoma wrote:You guys still dont' get it. Playoff accomplishment don't matter when you're up for your 1st MVP. When you're up for your 3rd in a row, damn straight it matters, as the only ones who done it are top 15 players of all time who have won rings.
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Post#83 » by Chessboxer » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:39 am

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That's fair I guess, but why didn't he win it the other two times? I get he got robbed in 2015. Durant is still clearly the better player.


Durant outplaying Curry against one of the worst defensive teams to ever make the finals in both 2017 and 2018 doesn't make Durant clearly the better player. Before joining the Warriors, KD's playoff resume was very underwhelming. Have we forgotten that KD absolutely **** the bed while blowing a 3-1 lead against Steph's Warriors in 2016?


We saw what happened in that 2016 series. Curry's explosiveness overwhelmed Durant's consistency. That's why that 2018 FMVP showed utter ignorance from the ones giving it. Anyone who held Steph's poor game 3 against him but did not recognize the overpowering firepower in games 2 and 4 failed to grasp what proved more decisive in an actual series where the distinction mattered.


I've been saying the same thing the last couple of years. Curry should have won that FMVP that year as well. He pretty much outplayed Durant in 3 of their 4 wins, but the narrative was that Durant was SO much better. Anyways, sometimes I feel Steph is a little TOO good that his presence on the court gives the impression Steph is getting carried at times. If Durant wass so much better than Curry as some claim, then why where the Cavs doubling Steph while both he and KD were both on the court? How is the FInals MVP(Durant),one who is benefitting from double teams from his MVP teammate (Steph)? Its the same thing that happened Iggy in 2015, where Curry didn't even get one first place FMVP vote, which is an absolute joke. The fact of the matter, Curry was really the MVP in all of their title wins based on how his presence warps defenses.
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Post#84 » by art_tatum » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:53 am

a8bil wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:Another thing that deserves mention: Curry is playing the best defense I've ever seen from him. Along with Jokic, the change in rules have allowed him to be more aggressive on defense whereas previously they were afraid of getting into foul trouble. I don't think it's hyperbole to say that he's been one of the best defensive guards this year.
Glad some fans have been paying attention. He's been great this year.


Maybe on ball and as help D, but he is one of the worst off ball defenders I've seen. Ball watches and loses his man all the time getting caught in no man's land.
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Post#85 » by Peregrine01 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:59 am

art_tatum wrote:
a8bil wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:Another thing that deserves mention: Curry is playing the best defense I've ever seen from him. Along with Jokic, the change in rules have allowed him to be more aggressive on defense whereas previously they were afraid of getting into foul trouble. I don't think it's hyperbole to say that he's been one of the best defensive guards this year.
Glad some fans have been paying attention. He's been great this year.


Maybe on ball and as help D, but he is one of the worst off ball defenders I've seen. Ball watches and loses his man all the time getting caught in no man's land.


Ironically, Curry's strength on D has always been off-ball and less so on-ball. He gambles for steals sometimes but generally plays pretty disciplined.
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Post#86 » by GreenBloodedC » Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:11 am

I love Curry. I'd laugh my ass off ten years from now when fans are saying that he's not athletic enough to be a star in the league and/or the defense sucks this era :lol: Same way some fans talk about Larry Legend and even to some extent, MJ. LOL
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Post#87 » by Balls Deep » Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:38 am

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Jfh20 wrote:why do ppl put lebron so high?

Because brainwash by league, media, Nike happens.

If Steph wins again, without any questionable tampering, team constuction, superstar help, it is legitimate to ask what exactly puts LeBron above him, imho. To many people Steph not Bron may be the player of this generation. Not only focussing on the player but also how the game has changed - this is Stephs' league and the game went towards his finesse / crazy shooting style, not Brons' raw force / athleticism.


This is what the first year Steph is having a great season without 2 hall-of-gamers on his team? Slow down there, buddy. His body of work as the #1 option isn’t half as great as Bron’s. He let a role player take a Finals MVP from him and was a Robin for 2/3 of his rings lmao.
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Post#88 » by dodongo » Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:48 am

I think will propel him into best PG of All Time talks. Right now most people say he's clearly below Magic, and some won't even give him #2. But winning an MVP, Chip, FMVP would make him 1B at least IMO.

Top 10, I think currently, he's already close to Kobe / Hakeem tier. Maybe he'd be elevated to somewhere aronud Magic/Bird?

x MJ / LBJ

xx KAJ / Duncan / Russell

xxx Wilt / Shaq / Magic / Bird / Curry?

xxxx Hakeem / Kobe / etc.
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Post#89 » by Peregrine01 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:00 am

dodongo wrote:I think will propel him into best PG of All Time talks.


I think ranking guards make more sense since Curry isn't a PG or a SG, but a combination of both. I think when his career is all said and done, he'd be higher than Magic and only below Jordan.
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Post#90 » by dodongo » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:21 am

Peregrine01 wrote:
dodongo wrote:I think will propel him into best PG of All Time talks.


I think ranking guards make more sense since Curry isn't a PG or a SG, but a combination of both. I think when his career is all said and done, he'd be higher than Magic and only below Jordan.


Definitely agree that Curry would be 2nd best guard all-time should this happen!
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Post#91 » by HiRez » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:26 am

Balls Deep wrote:This is what the first year Steph is having a great season without 2 hall-of-gamers on his team? Slow down there, buddy. His body of work as the #1 option isn’t half as great as Bron’s. He let a role player take a Finals MVP from him and was a Robin for 2/3 of his rings lmao.

He willingly became "Robin" only because Durant is incapable of being anything other than a Batman. Curry easily could have been Batman, but he needed to alter his game to accommodate KD, for the sake of the team. That's not his fault. Also arguable he wasn't Batman a lot of times when they needed him to be anyway.

You think he couldn't average 40 ppg and get all the attention if he wanted to? That's why they have 3 championships and would have more if not for key injuries, he puts the team above himself.
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Post#92 » by Balls Deep » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:32 am

HiRez wrote:
Balls Deep wrote:This is what the first year Steph is having a great season without 2 hall-of-gamers on his team? Slow down there, buddy. His body of work as the #1 option isn’t half as great as Bron’s. He let a role player take a Finals MVP from him and was a Robin for 2/3 of his rings lmao.

He willingly became "Robin" only because Durant is incapable of being anything other than a Batman. Curry easily could have been Batman, but he needed to alter his game to accommodate KD, for the sake of the team. That's not his fault. Also arguable he wasn't Batman a lot of times when they needed him to be anyway.

You think he couldn't average 40 ppg and get all the attention if he wanted to? That's why they have 3 championships and would have more if not for key injuries, he puts the team above himself.


Ahh I love the mental gymnastics there. He was never as good as KD and he never will be, stop it bruh. He’s a great player but there’s levels to this, even though KD is a snake I can’t deny that.
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Post#93 » by Peregrine01 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:38 am

HiRez wrote:
Balls Deep wrote:This is what the first year Steph is having a great season without 2 hall-of-gamers on his team? Slow down there, buddy. His body of work as the #1 option isn’t half as great as Bron’s. He let a role player take a Finals MVP from him and was a Robin for 2/3 of his rings lmao.

He willingly became "Robin" only because Durant is incapable of being anything other than a Batman. Curry easily could have been Batman, but he needed to alter his game to accommodate KD, for the sake of the team. That's not his fault. Also arguable he wasn't Batman a lot of times when they needed him to be anyway.

You think he couldn't average 40 ppg and get all the attention if he wanted to? That's why they have 3 championships and would have more if not for key injuries, he puts the team above himself.


I'd hardly call Curry a "Robin" in any of the years playing with KD. He was always the engine of the offense and the focal point of the defense, even with KD as a teammate. This whole "Batman and Robin" thing is pretty dumb in sports lexicon.
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Post#94 » by Peregrine01 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:40 am

Balls Deep wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:
Jfh20 wrote:why do ppl put lebron so high?

Because brainwash by league, media, Nike happens.

If Steph wins again, without any questionable tampering, team constuction, superstar help, it is legitimate to ask what exactly puts LeBron above him, imho. To many people Steph not Bron may be the player of this generation. Not only focussing on the player but also how the game has changed - this is Stephs' league and the game went towards his finesse / crazy shooting style, not Brons' raw force / athleticism.


This is what the first year Steph is having a great season without 2 hall-of-gamers on his team? Slow down there, buddy. His body of work as the #1 option isn’t half as great as Bron’s. He let a role player take a Finals MVP from him and was a Robin for 2/3 of his rings lmao.


Here's some food for thought:

Golden State was 33-4 with Curry on and KD off in those years they played together. They were only 28-18 the other way around.
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Post#95 » by LesGrossman » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:54 am

Peregrine01 wrote:
Balls Deep wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:Because brainwash by league, media, Nike happens.

If Steph wins again, without any questionable tampering, team constuction, superstar help, it is legitimate to ask what exactly puts LeBron above him, imho. To many people Steph not Bron may be the player of this generation. Not only focussing on the player but also how the game has changed - this is Stephs' league and the game went towards his finesse / crazy shooting style, not Brons' raw force / athleticism.


This is what the first year Steph is having a great season without 2 hall-of-gamers on his team? Slow down there, buddy. His body of work as the #1 option isn’t half as great as Bron’s. He let a role player take a Finals MVP from him and was a Robin for 2/3 of his rings lmao.


Here's some food for thought:

Golden State was 33-4 with Curry on and KD off in those years they played together. They were only 28-18 the other way around.

Steph is the best shooter in the history of the league the leader of his team, and has never resorted to the disgusting superteam tactics of his peers. Its just sad how haters and influencers who try to push some other players' agenda try to discredit his role and relevance for the whole decade. He has carried his own team to a title, and almost a second one if not for the questionable suspension of Draymond and his own unfortunate injury; he won twice alongside KD, it doesnt matter who the 1A and 1B was at all. Now hes back and noone can remotely claim he has much help. And still the haters are out there denying his body of work.
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Post#96 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:55 am

He would be in my top 10; but that is partly how incredible that feat is to an already top 20 career. You could say that about five other players this year and have a similar effect....KD would be put in top 10, Giannis pushed into the Top 15, Harden/Paul/davis Top 20, Dame/Joker top 30..... Winning those awards is such rare air it will move you up a lot and it should.
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Post#97 » by giannis and 1 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:00 am

He would be just outside the top 5 imo
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Post#98 » by nfmos » Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:25 am

Balls Deep wrote:
HiRez wrote:
Balls Deep wrote:This is what the first year Steph is having a great season without 2 hall-of-gamers on his team? Slow down there, buddy. His body of work as the #1 option isn’t half as great as Bron’s. He let a role player take a Finals MVP from him and was a Robin for 2/3 of his rings lmao.

He willingly became "Robin" only because Durant is incapable of being anything other than a Batman. Curry easily could have been Batman, but he needed to alter his game to accommodate KD, for the sake of the team. That's not his fault. Also arguable he wasn't Batman a lot of times when they needed him to be anyway.

You think he couldn't average 40 ppg and get all the attention if he wanted to? That's why they have 3 championships and would have more if not for key injuries, he puts the team above himself.


Ahh I love the mental gymnastics there. He was never as good as KD and he never will be, stop it bruh. He’s a great player but there’s levels to this, even though KD is a snake I can’t deny that.

It’s so funny how people like you think being a ball hog hero ball player makes for a better team. That’s why Dray went off on him in the first place because KD was throwing a fit that he didn’t get the ball. KD is probably one of the most unstoppable scorers in league history but when exactly was he the foundation of a championship winning team again? Heads up in their primes with strong teams surrounding them, curry beat KD. Even GSs regular season records were better without KD, but yes he was the perfect player they needed in the playoffs when a bucket was needed, and finals mvp voters always fall for that instead of the engine that runs the team in the first place. But if you want a player that makes a team better overall because of his leadership, unselfishness and offball play, you pick Curry. If you want a player who will make some unbelievable shots but always get beat by true team play in the end, pick KD. Look at the players Durant has been surrounded by and tell me why Curry has had more team success with players that have had much less accolades than KDs teammates.


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Post#99 » by a8bil » Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:36 am

I find these types of polls interesting in the sense that it requires such a contextual placement of players in history and an eye-ball judgment of what players meant to their teams and their team's success. Take Duncan for example. Could he win all those titles without significant contributions from lots of players? No chance. Could those complimentary players be replaced by others and Duncan would still have won? No doubt. He was the mainstay. As is Curry. He needs the help of others, but there is no doubt to anyone paying attention that Curry is the engine that kept the GSW dynasty going. And it was a dynasty. 5 straight finals, and crushing opponents along the way. Changed the way the game is played. There are some top 10 players right now who cannot claim the same level of influence or success that Curry has on his resume.
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Post#100 » by NRSV » Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:40 am

I can only imagine what Steph’s raw numbers would look like if he played his entire career as brazenly selfish as Kobe.

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