Paul George probably out for the season.

[ryguy613]

I would take Simmons and Harris on the clips if need be if it’s really about retooling to extend window. Depends how much does Harris drop the value of Simmons to make it possible

except how do you get them without giving up PG or Kawhi? You think the Sixers held out this long just to take back Morris, Ibaka, and Kennard? They want a substantial return.

We're just going about trades the Laker "Do it Mitch" way. You guys can do it but we can't

-Just have to find a proper timeline on if Kawhi and/or PG are coming back or not. OKC has our pick.. beautiful, congratulations. We come back with a healthy Kawhi and PG next season.. also beautiful. Also I see us still making the postseason without the two. Won't be a Finals run but hey it happens. Lets keep developing the youth just maybe somebody gives up a first rounder for Morris Sr. Both stars out sucks but we'll be alright

I mean lakers get called crazy for talking about guys like Jeremy Grant... youre talking about picking up Ben Simmons. There is a sizable gap between those two players. The Clippers have pieces to get younger if they want to. Get some different talent on the team. But getting an elite level player in his early 20's? That seems unlikely. Especially, like I said, since the Sixers have already turned down other teams offering lower all star level players.

[TheNewEra]

except how do you get them without giving up PG or Kawhi? You think the Sixers held out this long just to take back Morris, Ibaka, and Kennard? They want a substantial return.

We're just going about trades the Laker "Do it Mitch" way. You guys can do it but we can't

-Just have to find a proper timeline on if Kawhi and/or PG are coming back or not. OKC has our pick.. beautiful, congratulations. We come back with a healthy Kawhi and PG next season.. also beautiful. Also I see us still making the postseason without the two. Won't be a Finals run but hey it happens. Lets keep developing the youth just maybe somebody gives up a first rounder for Morris Sr. Both stars out sucks but we'll be alright

I mean lakers get called crazy for talking about guys like Jeremy Grant... youre talking about picking up Ben Simmons. There is a sizable gap between those two players. The Clippers have pieces to get younger if they want to. Get some different talent on the team. But getting an elite level player in his early 20's? That seems unlikely. Especially, like I said, since the Sixers have already turned down other teams offering lower all star level players.

Those teams don’t seem to want Harris even if it means getting Ben

[Vampirate]

It's looking more and more like the Clippers took a worthwhile gamble (the gamble being betting their future picks for a Title) and are losing.

Kawhi's leg is not going to get any better as it's a degenerative issue and PG can either have a great year or has a year with arm problems.

With no picks, it's going to become quite difficult to supplement this core for a title, even knowing how good Kawhi is in the playoffs.

[HotelVitale]

I said it from the beginning of the season that the Clippers should of focused on developing their young players this season with Leonard out. Why have George out there playing hero ball, desperately trying to will the team to a win. It just resulted in him getting injured anyways. This season is a wash for the club. Let the youngsters prove themselves and gain experience thru playing time. Mann, Kennard and Zubac need to step up. And, Coffey, Boston and Scrubb can develop. I think that will pay off the next two seasons when Leonard and George are back playing together again. I still think they need a solid veteran point guard though.

This sounds like a false binary or something. Having one good player play doesn't mean that all the other players are all twiddling their thumbs the whole season, also think there's a general consensus that players develop better if they're able to play on decent teams playing meaningful games (instead of on tank-y rebuilding teams where many games are blowouts). Were you actually advocating that the Clippers just sit PG the whole season in order to give his 35 mpg to some young guy? Or that they should've taken the ball out of his hands in close moments to give it to Mann?

Also it seems like superstition to say that PG was fated to get injured because he was 'playing hero ball.' Again they couldn't just sit him the whole season for no reason and I don't think there's an argument that he was clearly over-exerting himself and was cruising towards injury as a result. Always played like 35mpg in rest of his career.

[ryguy613]

We're just going about trades the Laker "Do it Mitch" way. You guys can do it but we can't

-Just have to find a proper timeline on if Kawhi and/or PG are coming back or not. OKC has our pick.. beautiful, congratulations. We come back with a healthy Kawhi and PG next season.. also beautiful. Also I see us still making the postseason without the two. Won't be a Finals run but hey it happens. Lets keep developing the youth just maybe somebody gives up a first rounder for Morris Sr. Both stars out sucks but we'll be alright

I mean lakers get called crazy for talking about guys like Jeremy Grant... youre talking about picking up Ben Simmons. There is a sizable gap between those two players. The Clippers have pieces to get younger if they want to. Get some different talent on the team. But getting an elite level player in his early 20's? That seems unlikely. Especially, like I said, since the Sixers have already turned down other teams offering lower all star level players.

Those teams don’t seem to want Harris even if it means getting Ben

i think you're overestimating just how much of a negative trade asset Harris is. It is likely they are willing to limit their expectations when dealing with a team willing to take his contract, but its still highly UNlikely that they are going to use Simmons essentially as incentive to dump Harris' salary. No matter what happens with Harris, theyre going to expect a combo of all star players, young talent, and picks.

[Ballerhogger]

I guess the question is do sell at the deadline try get under luxury cap?

[ryguy613]

I mean lakers get called crazy for talking about guys like Jeremy Grant... youre talking about picking up Ben Simmons. There is a sizable gap between those two players. The Clippers have pieces to get younger if they want to. Get some different talent on the team. But getting an elite level player in his early 20's? That seems unlikely. Especially, like I said, since the Sixers have already turned down other teams offering lower all star level players.

Those teams don’t seem to want Harris even if it means getting Ben

i think you're overestimating just how much of a negative trade asset Harris is. It is likely they are willing to limit their expectations when dealing with a team willing to take his contract, but its still highly UNlikely that they are going to use Simmons essentially as incentive to dump Harris' salary. No matter what happens with Harris, theyre going to expect a combo of all star players, young talent, and picks.

not to belabor the point but it appears the sixers havent changed their stance

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[Pointgod]

Those teams don’t seem to want Harris even if it means getting Ben

i think you're overestimating just how much of a negative trade asset Harris is. It is likely they are willing to limit their expectations when dealing with a team willing to take his contract, but its still highly UNlikely that they are going to use Simmons essentially as incentive to dump Harris' salary. No matter what happens with Harris, theyre going to expect a combo of all star players, young talent, and picks.

not to belabor the point but it appears the sixers havent changed their stance

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Welp looks like they’re going to keep Simmons past the deadline. Epic fail by Morey.

[JN61]

OKCFanSinceSGA made the decision to jump ship at the perfect time.

A true visionary

Is there wrong time to jump from Clippers ship?

[Roscoe Sheed]

With their current frequency of injury man, and no feasible ways to add reliable young, high end talent.. I don’t see it. Unfortunately guys like Zubac+Mann didn’t take the leap they needed to for an extended window. Zubac especially has been a huge disappointment. He basically 2 years prior was a dominant paint defender, and has dropped off. That can’t happen if you wanna win.

I understand the concern, but Kawhi and PG are still in their primes. Guys are playing very well into their mid-30s now.

Injuries are definitely a concern, but they cleaned up some of the chemistry problems and bad actors by getting rid of Lou Williams, Harrell, and Beverley.

I don't think I'd change the roster very much as they have a good roster suited to the strengths of PG and Kawhi.

Not saying they would be favorites if healthy, but they would be a very difficult out as last season showed.

They can easily be a really good team the next few years. That’s different than winning a title.

That's all you can really ask for- if you're really good, things might eventually break your way- look at the Bucks last season

[Roscoe Sheed]

With their current frequency of injury man, and no feasible ways to add reliable young, high end talent.. I don’t see it. Unfortunately guys like Zubac+Mann didn’t take the leap they needed to for an extended window. Zubac especially has been a huge disappointment. He basically 2 years prior was a dominant paint defender, and has dropped off. That can’t happen if you wanna win.

I understand the concern, but Kawhi and PG are still in their primes. Guys are playing very well into their mid-30s now.

Injuries are definitely a concern, but they cleaned up some of the chemistry problems and bad actors by getting rid of Lou Williams, Harrell, and Beverley.

I don't think I'd change the roster very much as they have a good roster suited to the strengths of PG and Kawhi.

Not saying they would be favorites if healthy, but they would be a very difficult out as last season showed.

"Prime" might be a little bit generous going into next season, especially for injury prone players which is a category that both Kawhi and PG now have to fall into by definition. Kawhi would likely be considered in the finalish year of his prime next season. PG probably going to start heading into decline. Still will be great players but maybe not the best versions of themselves. LeBron is a freak of nature. For most guys, early 30's is when you start to see signs of aging.

true- but guys like CP3, Durant, Butler, and Lowry are still going strong- some of them well into their 30s and with injuries in their past (some of them quite serious)

[Bobbymcgee]

I said it from the beginning of the season that the Clippers should of focused on developing their young players this season with Leonard out. Why have George out there playing hero ball, desperately trying to will the team to a win. It just resulted in him getting injured anyways. This season is a wash for the club. Let the youngsters prove themselves and gain experience thru playing time. Mann, Kennard and Zubac need to step up. And, Coffey, Boston and Scrubb can develop. I think that will pay off the next two seasons when Leonard and George are back playing together again. I still think they need a solid veteran point guard though.

This sounds like a false binary or something. Having one good player play doesn't mean that all the other players are all twiddling their thumbs the whole season, also think there's a general consensus that players develop better if they're able to play on decent teams playing meaningful games (instead of on tank-y rebuilding teams where many games are blowouts). Were you actually advocating that the Clippers just sit PG the whole season in order to give his 35 mpg to some young guy? Or that they should've taken the ball out of his hands in close moments to give it to Mann?

Also it seems like superstition to say that PG was fated to get injured because he was 'playing hero ball.' Again they couldn't just sit him the whole season for no reason and I don't think there's an argument that he was clearly over-exerting himself and was cruising towards injury as a result. Always played like 35mpg in rest of his career.

If you watched the Clippers this season with George playing, it was obvious that he was being way too ball dominant and the offense was stagnant as a result. Sure, he was hitting some big shots, but he was also a turnover machine because he was trying way too hard to win games by himself. And of course he got injured.

The whole point of bringing in Leonard and George is to win a championship. That's it. So yes, it is binary. They either win the championship or they don't. Anything less is pointless considering the team mortgaged their future for them. They still have Leonard and George signed for three more seasons after this one. Again, this season is a wash. Use it to develop the young players and see what they got. Yes, I do want to see Mann attempt the winning shot. And Kennard too. And Boston. And Coffey. They are going to need these guys in the future to help Leonard and George win a championship. Just like Poole is doing with Golden State.

[Dadouv47]

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Jake Fischer is really terrible...

[EArl]

OKCFanSinceSGA made the decision to jump ship at the perfect time.

A true visionary

Is there wrong time to jump from Clippers ship?

The correct answer is no


Its crazy though how the Clippers were on the brink of going to conference finals two years ago and would have probably beaten us and gone on to win the ring. Same last year if Kahwi didn't go down. Now they are falling apart. they are better off tanking this season and see regroup next season.

[GuyverX]

Did anybody think the Clippers without Kawhi were going to do anything in the post season anyway? The goal for this team is a title and that wasn't happening this year. We had a slight glimmer at the end of the tunnel if Kawhi could come back and that was a big IF. This just means guys like Mann and Boston can develop their games with the minutes they are going to receive.

[clippertown]

It’s true that the Clips have zero chance at the title this year but it’s also true that both George and Kawhi could use a gap year to rest and recover. Who really cares if George takes the season off? The two most important goals for the Clips this year was to develop their young players and to ensure OKC don’t get a top 8 pick. Already, Clips are exceeding expectations in both areas.

[Dadouv47]

It’s true that the Clips have zero chance at the title this year but it’s also true that both George and Kawhi could use a gap year to rest and recover. Who really cares if George takes the season off? The two most important goals for the Clips this year was to develop their young players and to ensure OKC don’t get a top 8 pick. Already, Clips are exceeding expectations in both areas.

What does that change for the Clippers? lol

I guess it's bad for a fan perspective but who cares if we get the first pick or 14th?

You guys are playing very well without your stars so yeah the pick won't be that high (except if we get lucky comes lottery day)

[HMFFL]

Did anybody think the Clippers without Kawhi were going to do anything in the post season anyway? The goal for this team is a title and that wasn't happening this year. We had a slight glimmer at the end of the tunnel if Kawhi could come back and that was a big IF. This just means guys like Mann and Boston can develop their games with the minutes they are going to receive.

The team was intriguing due to how they've been playing without Kawhi, regular season, or not. They have a good thing going on but Pau and Kawhi out changes things.

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[giannis and 1]

except how do you get them without giving up PG or Kawhi? You think the Sixers held out this long just to take back Morris, Ibaka, and Kennard? They want a substantial return.

We're just going about trades the Laker "Do it Mitch" way. You guys can do it but we can't

-Just have to find a proper timeline on if Kawhi and/or PG are coming back or not. OKC has our pick.. beautiful, congratulations. We come back with a healthy Kawhi and PG next season.. also beautiful. Also I see us still making the postseason without the two. Won't be a Finals run but hey it happens. Lets keep developing the youth just maybe somebody gives up a first rounder for Morris Sr. Both stars out sucks but we'll be alright

I mean lakers get called crazy for talking about guys like Jeremy Grant... youre talking about picking up Ben Simmons. There is a sizable gap between those two players. The Clippers have pieces to get younger if they want to. Get some different talent on the team. But getting an elite level player in his early 20's? That seems unlikely. Especially, like I said, since the Sixers have already turned down other teams offering lower all star level players.

Simmons is neither elite nor in his early 20's.

[TheNewEra]

Those teams don’t seem to want Harris even if it means getting Ben

i think you're overestimating just how much of a negative trade asset Harris is. It is likely they are willing to limit their expectations when dealing with a team willing to take his contract, but its still highly UNlikely that they are going to use Simmons essentially as incentive to dump Harris' salary. No matter what happens with Harris, theyre going to expect a combo of all star players, young talent, and picks.

not to belabor the point but it appears the sixers havent changed their stance

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Any talks with Harris will only make that situation more complicated. Another problem could be how does Harris react long term to being on the block after recent issues with fans?