Embiid is the Best Big man in the Game

[DaFan334]

unlike Jokic, who I love, Embiid actually plays solid defense. He's clearly the league's best center

Is that why Mo Bamba had a career-high tonight?

I love how you clearly didn't watch the game. 4 of his 3 were with him sitting on the bench. Embiid is supposed to defend him while resting? Lmao

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I didn't watch the Sixers game, I was busy watching Jokic. So only 3 of his 8 3pts were against Embiid? The other 4 for 4 were off other players. So Embiid only gave up 75% from 3 for Bamba? I mean Zuback had a career-high as well and part of that was Jokic. Zuback was -15, in 37 minutes, and Bamba was -17, in 30 mintes.

[thamadkant]

Jokic... as per earlier post... is the best Center in the NBA.

[Madhouse]

If Jokic ever gets a good team around him, we're going to find out just how great he is. And I don't mean Jamal "hot n' cold" Murray, I mean a legit no.2

Jokic and Embiid should just go create a team in 2023. then stop the debates

[Ritzo]

Big Jokic fan but this is TBD. Embiid had a rough start because of COVID but he's playing like the best player in the world in the past 15 games. We'll see how they perform in the playoffs.

[eyeatoma]

Is that why Mo Bamba had a career-high tonight?

I love how you clearly didn't watch the game. 4 of his 3 were with him sitting on the bench. Embiid is supposed to defend him while resting? Lmao

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I didn't watch the Sixers game, I was busy watching Jokic. So only 3 of his 8 3pts were against Embiid? The other 4 for 4 were off other players. So Embiid only gave up 75% from 3 for Bamba? I mean Zuback had a career-high as well and part of that was Jokic. Zuback was -15, in 37 minutes, and Bamba was -17, in 30 mintes.

How did Jokic's man do? Zubac had 32 points. Interesting.

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[Dupp]

Nope

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-per-minute-in-nba-history-by-a-player-minimum-250-games

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Completely irrelevant to what I said.



Per minute is cute considering how many minutes Joel misses.

I love how you guys really prop up advanced stats until they don't favor Jokic.

Also irrelevant to what I said. Please put your glasses on to help with reading comprehension.

[phifans]

1 less point but 8 more assists

that's why jokic is better.

Let me tell you why
Jokic : 41 mins
Joel: 27 mins
You can do much better than this ...

[Sgt Major]

Jeff Green guarded Zubac late in the 4th and OT.

[Pachinko_]

Ι'm just happy that we have some bigs in the top 4-5 players in the world. People love watching bigs dominate, it's good for the balance of the game.

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[Dutchball97]

This performance was huge for Embiid as it made his EPM jump to +7.1, which is right behind LeBron (+7.2) and Giannis (+7.3). In terms of estimated wins added he has now passed the likes of CP3, Gobert and KD and is sitting at 6th place as of now.

Jokic also had a huge performance though and leads the league in EPM with +9.5, besides that he has also finally passed Curry for the lead in estimated wins added. I use EPM as my go to stat because of it coming out as one of the top performing stats in comparison tests and surverys among NBA personnel. However, RAPTOR, LEBRON, WS and BPM/VORP all have Jokic as both the best per minute plaayer and the most valuable overall. There isn't much nitpicking to be had with the advanced stats because they're literally all pointing in the same direction and that is Jokic being the best player so far in this season.

I voted TBH either way because I think Embiid is close enough to Jokic in terms of performance and overall skill level that an especially strong post-season could swing the discussion in the opposite direction but as it stands right now I'm having a hard time taking Embiid > Jokic arguments seriously.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We have two generational centers in the league now after going about 22 yrs without one being drafted after Shaq, I don't count Dwight as a generational C. These guys were taken in the same draft which is mind blowing, just appreciate both cause it seems guys this good only come along once every 10-15 yrs.

[KGtabake]

We have two generational centers in the league now after going about 22 yrs without one being drafted after Shaq, I don't count Dwight as a generational C. These guys were taken in the same draft which is mind blowing, just appreciate both cause it seems guys this good only come along once every 10-15 yrs.

Dwight was a monster until 2013.
He deserves much more respect than the one he's getting here(not to mention the 75th anniversary).
Jokic has surpassed him with the MVP.
But not in terms of team accomplishments.
Remember, Dwight did what he did while in Orlando. Same if not bigger impact than Shaq in Orlando.
Embiid still has ways to go both individually and with his team.

[CBS7]

I pulled a one of one Embiid basketball card, officially rooting for him for MVP

[AussieCeltic]

unlike Jokic, who I love, Embiid actually plays solid defense. He's clearly the league's best center

Is that why Mo Bamba had a career-high tonight?

Not only him. Omer Yurtseven (Miami Heat Center number 3) had a career night against the Sixers too

Embiid really struggles on pick and roll/pick and pop defence. Bigs that can shoot can just pop for an open 3 or mid range every time.

Also I love how passionate both Jokic/Embiid fanboys are. Too be honest, I don’t think you can be upset if someone chooses one over the other. Personally, I prefer Jokic but if someone thinks Embiid, it’s not a bad pick at all.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We have two generational centers in the league now after going about 22 yrs without one being drafted after Shaq, I don't count Dwight as a generational C. These guys were taken in the same draft which is mind blowing, just appreciate both cause it seems guys this good only come along once every 10-15 yrs.

Dwight was a monster until 2013.
He deserves much more respect than the one he's getting here(not to mention the 75th anniversary).
Jokic has surpassed him with the MVP.
But not in terms of team accomplishments.
Remember, Dwight did what he did while in Orlando. Same if not bigger impact than Shaq in Orlando.
Embiid still has ways to go both individually and with his team.

Dwight was a king of an anthill, all his contemporaries were injured during his reign. Jokic or Embiid would have led that Magic team to the finals as well going against Samuel Dalembert, Kendrick Perkins and Zydrunas Illgauskas. There were no other healthy centers around his age, the position is so much deeper today than when Dwight was in his prime.

After Embiid and Jokic you still have Gobert, KAT, J. Allen, Vucevic, Bam, Ayton, Capela etc.

[KGtabake]

We have two generational centers in the league now after going about 22 yrs without one being drafted after Shaq, I don't count Dwight as a generational C. These guys were taken in the same draft which is mind blowing, just appreciate both cause it seems guys this good only come along once every 10-15 yrs.

Dwight was a monster until 2013.
He deserves much more respect than the one he's getting here(not to mention the 75th anniversary).
Jokic has surpassed him with the MVP.
But not in terms of team accomplishments.
Remember, Dwight did what he did while in Orlando. Same if not bigger impact than Shaq in Orlando.
Embiid still has ways to go both individually and with his team.

Dwight was a king of an anthill, all his contemporaries were injured during his reign. Jokic or Embiid would have led that Magic team to the finals as well going against Samuel Dalembert, Kendrick Perkins and Zydrunas Illgauskas. There were no other healthy centers around his age, the position is so much deeper today than when Dwight was in his prime.

You don't know any of this.
It's like saying MJ would have dropped 45+ in this era, or like saying Wilt would have 35+ rebounds.
I can say too that if prime Dwight was in the league today, no big would think to post him up.
I can't prove it tho.
Dwight was a legit MVP candidate for a team that was going against better teams.
In his prime he was the real superman. Only Wilt can be considered as superior athletically and that's up for debate.

[Hussien Fatal]

49 points 14 rebounds 10 assists 3 steals 1 block

Lol cute but Joel scored 50 in regulation. Jokic needed overtime. Joel is better on both ends.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Dwight was a monster until 2013.
He deserves much more respect than the one he's getting here(not to mention the 75th anniversary).
Jokic has surpassed him with the MVP.
But not in terms of team accomplishments.
Remember, Dwight did what he did while in Orlando. Same if not bigger impact than Shaq in Orlando.
Embiid still has ways to go both individually and with his team.

Dwight was a king of an anthill, all his contemporaries were injured during his reign. Jokic or Embiid would have led that Magic team to the finals as well going against Samuel Dalembert, Kendrick Perkins and Zydrunas Illgauskas. There were no other healthy centers around his age, the position is so much deeper today than when Dwight was in his prime.

You don't know any of this.
It's like saying MJ would have dropped 45+ in this era, or like saying Wilt would have 35+ rebounds.
I can say too that if prime Dwight was in the league today, no big would think to post him up.
I can't prove it tho.
Dwight was a legit MVP candidate for a team that was going against better teams.
In his prime he was the real superman. Only Wilt can be considered as superior athletically and that's up for debate.

He used to get completely dominated by Yao in his prime, his career stats vs Yao were 12/10, to Yaos 24/10 and had a 2-7 record against him. Dwight had no post game, no jumpshot, wasn't a great passer and relied completely on athleticism. The top scoring centers when he finished second in MVP voting were Amar'e, LaMarcus, Andrea Bargnani and Brook Lopez. The top PERs from centers when he made the finals were Dwight, Duncan, Al Jefferson, Yao, 37 yr old Shaq, Amar'e, Bynum and Andris Biedrins.

It was a terrible era for centers where you had guys who were PFs playing C because of how watered down the position was. Dwight would not be the top C today, not by a long shot.

[KGtabake]

Dwight was a king of an anthill, all his contemporaries were injured during his reign. Jokic or Embiid would have led that Magic team to the finals as well going against Samuel Dalembert, Kendrick Perkins and Zydrunas Illgauskas. There were no other healthy centers around his age, the position is so much deeper today than when Dwight was in his prime.

You don't know any of this.
It's like saying MJ would have dropped 45+ in this era, or like saying Wilt would have 35+ rebounds.
I can say too that if prime Dwight was in the league today, no big would think to post him up.
I can't prove it tho.
Dwight was a legit MVP candidate for a team that was going against better teams.
In his prime he was the real superman. Only Wilt can be considered as superior athletically and that's up for debate.

He used to get completely dominated by Yao in his prime, his career stats vs Yao were 12/10, to Yaos 24/10 and had a 2-7 record against him. Dwight had no post game, no jumpshot, wasn't a great passer and relied completely on athleticism. The top scoring centers when he finished second in MVP voting were Amar'e, LaMarcus, Andrea Bargnani and Brook Lopez. The top PERs from centers when he made the finals were Dwight, Duncan, Al Jefferson, Yao, 37 yr old Shaq, Amar'e, Bynum and Andris Biedrins.

It was a terrible era for centers where you had guys who were PFs playing C because of how watered down the position was. Dwight would not be the top C today, not by a long shot.

I have read the exact same things about Giannis. I always laugh when i think that these things are being said for the best player in the world in the last 4 seasons.
Anyway, we won't agree on this one.
It's all good.

[Hussien Fatal]

People bringin up Jokic game is hilarious, yes he balled out but he needed Overtime and 41 minutes while Joel scored 50 in regulation 27 minutes(3 blocks). If Joel played more than 2 minutes in the 4th he woulda had 60. Also Joel shot a better percentage last night. So in 14 more minutes Jokic scored 1 less point. Joel was simply more impressive.