James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphiia; Won’t Formally Demand Trade Due To Public Backlash

[Arsenal]

There’s no rush to trade Harden now. At worst they wait and do this trade in the offseason with a better idea of what the Sixers are going to give up and what they’d lose waiting for the summer vs now.

Wrong. At worst they lose Harden for nothing in the summer.

That's why they're negotiating now.

How would they lose him for free? There are only a couple of teams with max cap room, and I can't see Harden signing in OKC or Detroit or San Antonio.

Worst case scenario they do a sign and trade and get some real assets back. I bet Morey will still be on the line in the offseason.

They lose him for free because the Sixers use those teams w/cap to clear Simmons and Harris. Then sign Harden outright.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

Nets aren't getting this for a pending FA lol

If he wants to resign then why does it matter?

You can't get him otherwise. No cap space.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

Maxey and Thybulle are off the table.

Ben + Curry or Green is the likely deal.

Life is full of disappointments.

Then good luck wasting another year of Embiid's prime.

I'm fine waiting till the off season to sign and trade Harden. There is no incentive to move now.

[nitetrain8603]

I think the main issue is the Nets are looking at “Ben + Filler” and thinking to themselves, is that better than “Jarret Allen, Caris LaVert…” and it won’t be better. At best, it could be as good. I think this has nothing to do with Harden and everything to do with the Nets admitting a mistake.


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[76ciology]

Dont even have to trade Ben for Harden. Can just trade tobi for Harden because harden wants to play for sixers

[Arsenal]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

Nets aren't getting this for a pending FA lol

If he wants to resign then why does it matter?

You can't get him otherwise. No cap space.

Sure we can. Why do you think Morey has a deal in place w/OKC to clear Harris?

Plan A: Nets play ball and make a reasonable trade now.

Plan B: Clear Simmons and Tobias in the offseason. Then sign Harden outright leaving the Nets w/NOTHING.

[nitetrain8603]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

Maxey and Thybulle are off the table.

Ben + Curry or Green is the likely deal.

Life is full of disappointments.

Then good luck wasting another year of Embiid's prime.

I'm fine waiting till the off season to sign and trade Harden. There is no incentive to move now.

In the off-season, you’re probably getting scraps in a S&T for Harden.


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[Slacktard]

There’s no rush to trade Harden now. At worst they wait and do this trade in the offseason with a better idea of what the Sixers are going to give up and what they’d lose waiting for the summer vs now.

Wrong. At worst they lose Harden for nothing in the summer.

That's why they're negotiating now.

Sixers can’t sign him outright and would have to use additional assets to clear capspace for Harris and Simmons. And any smart team would not let them dump salaries at a cheap price. If they were going to spend assets anyways to clear capspace why not just use that in a sign and trade involving Simmons and Harden or just do a trade straight up? Nets are in the drivers seat because Sixers don’t have the space.

Technically they can trade Simmons for future picks, stretch Tobias Harris to where he's costing about $15m a year for the next 5 years and then just dumping someone like say Korkmaz for 2nd and then sign Harden outright.

That's not the 'ideal' scenario. But it is possible to sign Harden without trading Harris if they can't find absolutely any takers for him. It's also possible to trade Harris and take back $10m-$15m in salary and make the Kokmaz move and have enough space to sign Harden. So it doesn't need to necessarily be a Harris off the books completely deal either.

My guess is one of the biggest reasons Morey is talking to teams about Harris *RIGHT NOW* is to show the Nets it's not as impossible to 'dump' Harris as they may want to say it is to use as leverage against the Sixers.

[Zeno]

Kyrie and Harden for Westbrook and Lebron kind of helps both teams, no?

[Arsenal]

I think the main issue is the Nets are looking at “Ben + Filler” and thinking to themselves, is that better than “Jarret Allen, Caris LaVert…” and it won’t be better. At best, it could be as good. I think this has nothing to do with Harden and everything to do with the Nets admitting a mistake.


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It would be foolish for Nets to succumb to Sunk Cost Fallacy.

[NyKnicks1714]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

You're halfway thru the 5 stages of grief and on bargaining there. My guess is if a trade happens you'll be into depression and then hopefully hit acceptance.

The only one depressed will be the team paying fat ass, hamstring ridden Harden 200 million dollars.

You: "fat ass, hamstring ridden Harden"
Also you: We should get everything for him!

[Kurtz]

Wrong. At worst they lose Harden for nothing in the summer.

That's why they're negotiating now.

How would they lose him for free? There are only a couple of teams with max cap room, and I can't see Harden signing in OKC or Detroit or San Antonio.

Worst case scenario they do a sign and trade and get some real assets back. I bet Morey will still be on the line in the offseason.

They lose him for free because the Sixers use those teams w/cap to clear Simmons and Harris. Then sign Harden outright.

Moving $70 mil in salary without taking any salary back is not as easy you may think. Not impossible, but it's not a trivial task.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

That should be the minimum starting point for the Nets or the Sixers shouldn’t bother even engaging them. I can’t believe the Nets are sounding like an amateur organization here being pressured into a move by the Sixers an, organization that has a player that’s currently sitting out and has asked for a trade.

Get real. Nets have to pull the trigger now or they lose Harden for nothing in the offseason.

There's no way they can hold out for a ridiculous haul like that.

You guys keep acting like you can sign Harden outright.

Once the off season hits your only choice will be to trade us Simmons.

Unless you move Harris now. Which will torpedo your season. And force you to give up Harris in the process.

[Wilfried]

Which is why, once again, the Nets are negotiating now. They're afraid to lose Harden for nothing.

They wouldn't lose him for nothing, they would lose him while giving a boatload of picks to the Rockets too

[MoMan24]

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Clowns. Morey is playing 4-D Chess. Never give them the young studs Morey NEVER.

Nets have fun with an unhappy, unmotivated/fake injured, out of shape Harden who is gone this summer. Part time Kyrie, and injured KD. Nets are 8th now LMAO. Enjoy the big 3 that never sees the court together. CLOWNS.

Man that takes some nerve to post when your guy won't even play for you while being under a max contract still for a while.

I'm a Raptors fan. The Sixers have prime MVP Embiid who is basically 28. Young promising players and a trade asset in Simmons. Oh and they are not free falling in standings with injured/unhappy/unvaxxed stars. I have no horse in this race. The Nets are a clown show right now. Did you see the roster the Nets put out vs the Celtics that waxxed them? A joke

[Pointgod]

Wrong. At worst they lose Harden for nothing in the summer.

That's why they're negotiating now.

Sixers can’t sign him outright and would have to use additional assets to clear capspace for Harris and Simmons. And any smart team would not let them dump salaries at a cheap price. If they were going to spend assets anyways to clear capspace why not just use that in a sign and trade involving Simmons and Harden or just do a trade straight up? Nets are in the drivers seat because Sixers don’t have the space.

Wrong again. They would get assets for sending out Simmons. Those could be used to move Harris if required. Net result is they can create the cap room at minimal overall cost and maybe even come out ahead asset-wise.

Which is why, once again, the Nets are negotiating now. They're afraid to lose Harden for nothing.

Buddy learn how capspace works. The only teams with cap space next year are OKC, the Spurs and Detroit. So all these teams have to be willing to absorb Simmons into their cap space and give up assets for a malcontent who probably doesn’t want to be in a rebuilding situation.

So let’s assume the teams make a trade and give up assets which then use to move Harris. So you essentially lose Harris and Simmons for Harden or you could do a sign and trade of Harden for Simmons without giving up additional assets and keeping Harris on the roster. Pretty simple. The Nets know they’re in a strong position to get something back for Harden if he leaves and they might as well see what happens in the playoffs before blowing up their team.

[zaz102]

#FreeHarden

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nets aren't getting this for a pending FA lol

If he wants to resign then why does it matter?

You can't get him otherwise. No cap space.

Sure we can. Why do you think Morey has a deal in place w/OKC to clear Harris?

Plan A: Nets play ball and make a reasonable trade now.

Plan B: Clear Simmons and Tobias in the offseason. Then sign Harden outright leaving the Nets w/NOTHING.

If you trade Harris now you will ruin any chance you have of competing this year.

Not to mention Simmons can force his way to Brooklyn.

Rich Paul is very good at getting his clients where he wants.

Just like Harden wants Sixers. Simmons wants Brooklyn.

Good luck convincing him to go toil away in Detroit or Orlando. He will threaten to not report and they won't take him.

We are getting Simmons no matter what.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Maxey and Thybulle are off the table.

Ben + Curry or Green is the likely deal.

Life is full of disappointments.

Then good luck wasting another year of Embiid's prime.

I'm fine waiting till the off season to sign and trade Harden. There is no incentive to move now.

In the off-season, you’re probably getting scraps in a S&T for Harden.


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Were getting Simmons. And another salary to match.

Thats all that matters.

What will be the big difference between then and now?

A FRP. Not a big deal.

[Arsenal]

That should be the minimum starting point for the Nets or the Sixers shouldn’t bother even engaging them. I can’t believe the Nets are sounding like an amateur organization here being pressured into a move by the Sixers an, organization that has a player that’s currently sitting out and has asked for a trade.

Get real. Nets have to pull the trigger now or they lose Harden for nothing in the offseason.

There's no way they can hold out for a ridiculous haul like that.

You guys keep acting like you can sign Harden outright.

Once the off season hits your only choice will be to trade us Simmons.

Unless you move Harris now. Which will torpedo your season. And force you to give up Harris in the process.

No, in the offseason Morey would rather clear Simmons + Harris then sign Harden outright. That's why he's been lining up deals for cap.

He's only entertaining a trade now to get an additional playoff run w/Harden.