Suns Just Another Team

[BVPN]

Talent wise? Brown and Tatum.

Talent matters, thats why people are skeptical about Phoenix.

They have depth, but that advantage shrinks in a 7 game series, where rotations are only 6-8 guys max, where all the starters are playing more minutes.

In terms of pure talent, Phoenix does not have a very talented roster.

Boston I'd argue has way more talent overall than Phoenix does.

Another factor? FTs - the Suns don't shoot a lot of FTs. The Celtics would own them in FT disparity.

Brown over Booker? I think you’re in the minority in thinking that.

Booker is the better player.

Is Booker more talented? No.

He is definitely not more athletic, and definitely not better than Brown as a defender - the stats back all of that up.

Brown only averages 2 PPG less than Booker, while not being their primary scorer.

Its close, but Brown > Booker.

I thought you said teams didn’t deserve credit until they won something…what has this Celtics team won that they are clearly more talented than the suns? Sounds like you’re just looking for reasons to discredit the suns?

Didn’t you used to be a suns fan? I’ve seen this tendency from some of the fan base (particularly on reddit) to try to downplay their own team as some sort of….self protective measure? So it won’t feel as bad when they lose? It’s kind of pathetic honestly. It’s just sports man, not that big of a deal.

[Hsker4Life]

Talent wise? Brown and Tatum.

Talent matters, thats why people are skeptical about Phoenix.

They have depth, but that advantage shrinks in a 7 game series, where rotations are only 6-8 guys max, where all the starters are playing more minutes.

In terms of pure talent, Phoenix does not have a very talented roster.

Boston I'd argue has way more talent overall than Phoenix does.

Another factor? FTs - the Suns don't shoot a lot of FTs. The Celtics would own them in FT disparity.

Brown over Booker? I think you’re in the minority in thinking that.

Booker is the better player.

Is Booker more talented? No.

He is definitely not more athletic, and definitely not better than Brown as a defender - the stats back all of that up.

Brown only averages 2 PPG less than Booker, while not being their primary scorer.

Its close, but Brown > Booker.

Is Book more talented? Yes. Brown can’t take over games the way Book can, and Book has proved it during clutch time.

[SkyBill40]

There seems to be an ongoing theme here: Subjectivity being argued as a matter of fact. That's about as funny as a logical fallacy can be.

The bottom line is that none of us are professionals of any sort as it relates to professional basketball and anything we say or argue is opinion and nothing more. Unless you have verifiable credentials to support any claim of being of that sort, any evidence is anecdotal at best.

You have promoters and detractors. We are all passionate fans and that much is clear... but that is where it truly begins and ends. We'll see how it plays out soon enough and then and only then can someone have even there slimmest amount of validation.

[bwgood77]

Suns are definitely contenders due to their talent level and leadership from CP3 and Monty Williams. They have a good chance of making the finals again.

However, I would not be surprised if they don't make the finals either- GSW, Memphis, Utah and Denver (if healthy- highly unlikely) could beat them.

Memphis is my dark horse to make the finals. Morant is a total freak and they have a very solid supporting cast. Additionally, they have the confidence to win it as well- they back down for nobody.

I don't know how Memphis is a dark horse. They have the 2nd best record in the NBA. They are very tough. They just don't get a lot of talk because they are a small market.

[bwgood77]

Suns vs Celtics: who are you saying are the 2 best players in that series?

Talent wise? Brown and Tatum.

Talent matters, thats why people are skeptical about Phoenix.

They have depth, but that advantage shrinks in a 7 game series, where rotations are only 6-8 guys max, where all the starters are playing more minutes.

In terms of pure talent, Phoenix does not have a very talented roster.

Boston I'd argue has way more talent overall than Phoenix does.

Another factor? FTs - the Suns don't shoot a lot of FTs. The Celtics would own them in FT disparity.

Brown over Booker? I think you’re in the minority in thinking that.

Booker is the better player.

Every post of his seems to be somewhat of a serious sounding sarcastic suns contrarian anti jinx post.

[SK21209]

Suns are a great team, albeit not a historically great one. Warriors are the only team I can see beating them in the West. Utah is fraudulent, Denver won’t be healthy and it’s really hard for them to defend the CP3 P&R with Jokic, and I think Memphis’s strengths (forcing turnovers and running in transition) will be diminished in the playoffs. It’s the Suns’ conference to lose.

[jfs1000d]

Suns are a great team but I dont see them winning a chip. I still think a healthy Lakers can eliminate them in a series but thats asking for too much

If CP3 is out for Round 1, Lakers should and will be favored over the Suns in a 7 game series.

That is why the Suns do not get talked about.

EDIT: Even if CP3 is healthy, the Lakers will have the 2 best players in a series between the Suns by far.

So, why would they be favored? Teams with superstars win in the postseason, and if the Lakers 2 superstars are healthy, well... Suns will not be favored.

Lol. Lakers got no chance in first round. Laker show is done. Team doesn’t defend/can’t defend.


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[Roscoe Sheed]

Suns are definitely contenders due to their talent level and leadership from CP3 and Monty Williams. They have a good chance of making the finals again.

However, I would not be surprised if they don't make the finals either- GSW, Memphis, Utah and Denver (if healthy- highly unlikely) could beat them.

Memphis is my dark horse to make the finals. Morant is a total freak and they have a very solid supporting cast. Additionally, they have the confidence to win it as well- they back down for nobody.

I don't know how Memphis is a dark horse. They have the 2nd best record in the NBA. They are very tough. They just don't get a lot of talk because they are a small market.

True, in terms of record- but as you said, almost nobody mentions them as title contenders and maybe it is a bit premature to consider them as such due to inexperience, but I doubt any team is looking forward to playing them.

[dribble1614]

Booker is not a superstar, not even close. He’s an all-star level player but if you put him on a different team he wouldn’t be talked about much at all.

The Suns don't have a top 20 player at all in the NBA right now. Its hard to win a title when a team doesn't have top talent. That is why Phoenix will be doubted until they actually win a title.

right but they are still by far the best team in the league. they will probably do it the same way the 2014 spurs or 2004 pistons did. it happens from time to time.

[handsome salary]

Suns win again….

Next time Tatum and Brown are in the Finals, let alone win a chip, let me know.

[Mr Puddles]

Booker is not a superstar, not even close. He’s an all-star level player but if you put him on a different team he wouldn’t be talked about much at all.

The Suns don't have a top 20 player at all in the NBA right now. Its hard to win a title when a team doesn't have top talent. That is why Phoenix will be doubted until they actually win a title.

While I agree that the Suns win because of their collective strength, rather than one player in particular, I'm not sure how you can say that the Suns don't have a single top 20 player.

That basically means that if the NBA added another all NBA teams, no Suns player would make the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th All-NBA team in your opinion? Would love to see your top 20 players that doesn't include a single Sun.

Also, I disagree with your premise about the Suns not having let's say a Jokic level superstar player is a weakness. Lots of teams out there live and die by the performance of their superstar player - I think the Suns are better equipped than any other team in the league to withstand injuries and suspensions come playoff time. It's a two-way street.

[ATTL]

Suns are the worst 60+ win team in history. No top 20 players, no all nba players, no all defense players. Like a worse version of the joe johnson hawks.

[jcsunsfan]

Suns are a great team but I dont see them winning a chip. I still think a healthy Lakers can eliminate them in a series but thats asking for too much

Ha. I don't think the Lakers, healthy or not, beat ANY team in a series.

[jcsunsfan]

Suns are the worst 60+ win team in history. No top 20 players, no all nba players, no all defense players. Like a worse version of the joe johnson hawks.

Booker is a top 20 player.
CP3 is a top 20 player.
Bridges is a candidate for DPOY.

Not sure where your opinions, maybe I do.

[Vampirate]

A lot of people have doubts that the Suns have the personal to overcome Giannis tbh.

It was the same doubts people had on the Bucks before they won.

[jcsunsfan]

Suns dont have a superstar player. Cp3 is one the goat pgs, but he is 37. We also do not know how he holds up in the POs. We also know that a true superstar is not needed to get the best record in the league (see jazz last season).

That said, they should be the favorites in the west and they have enough to take out the east champs.

LOL.

Devin Booker enters the chat

Devin booker is a superstar? Cmon man what a trash take and im a huge fan of his game.

Devin Booker is a superstar and its not even questionable.

[NO-KG-AI]

Because they aren't going to win it all and aren't the favorite. There's better teams.

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Celtics, Bucks, and fully healthy Warriors are just better than Phoenix.

Talent matters, and the Suns wouldn't have the 1st or 2nd best players in any of those series.

Lmao. There is a better argument that Booker and Paul are the two best players in a Celtics series than there is for Brown being better than them.

Paul and Booker are definitely the second and 3rd best in a Milwaukee series too. Ditto the Warriors.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Lol. Lakers got no chance in first round. Laker show is done. Team doesn’t defend/can’t defend.

In fairness, you seem to be forgetting that there will be 3 extra Lakers' players wearing stripes on the floor at all times.

[pj0tr]

Lol. Lakers got no chance in first round. Laker show is done. Team doesn’t defend/can’t defend.

In fairness, you seem to be forgetting that there will be 3 extra Lakers' players wearing stripes on the floor at all times.

Just for context, in last year's Suns-Lakers Game 1: The Lakers shot 19 FTs, before the Suns shot ONE FT.

When the Suns blew out the Lakers last week in Phoenix, the Lakers shot 24 (TWENTY-FOUR!!!!) FTs in the first half - the Suns shot 3.

You can be damn sure the officiating is going to work against Phoenix in a 7 game series because of the lack of superstars they have.

[Crives]

Brown over Booker? I think you’re in the minority in thinking that.

Booker is the better player.

Is Booker more talented? No.

He is definitely not more athletic, and definitely not better than Brown as a defender - the stats back all of that up.

Brown only averages 2 PPG less than Booker, while not being their primary scorer.

Its close, but Brown > Booker.

Is Book more talented? Yes. Brown can’t take over games the way Book can, and Book has proved it during clutch time.

I wonder why booker started over brown/Tatum on team USA… hmm seems very obvious book isn’t on their level