Who is the Defensive Player of the Year?

jehosafats · Post #81 » by **jehosafats** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 8:25 pm

I got Bridges

TroubleS0me · Post #82 » by **TroubleS0me** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 8:38 pm

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fishfuego. · Post #83 » by **fishfuego.** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 9:16 pm

I voted Bam

SunsWinSunsWin · Post #84 » by **SunsWinSunsWin** » Sat Apr 9, 2022 9:32 pm

Mikal and it isn't even close.

babyjax13 · Post #85 » by **babyjax13** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:20 pm

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Thought this was interesting, points saved relative to height. I'm waffling on who I think the DPOY should be, but this is another datapoint that Rudy should still be one of the top vote-getters.

Post #86 » by **bisme37** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:34 pm

There's a tweet like this about Smart after basically every Celtics game...

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I can keep going but you get the point. Advanced stats are going to favor bigs who are elite rim protectors. But the argument for Smart is simply... no one can score on the man.

indiegrind · Post #87 » by **indiegrind** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:50 pm

Bam should get it.

Jaqua92 · Post #88 » by **Jaqua92** » Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:30 pm

Rob Williams should get it

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SeanieWard · Post #89 » by **SeanieWard** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:09 am

I changed my mind again, I think it should be Draymond despite him missing a ton of games

BK_2020 · Post #90 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:29 am

babyjax13 wrote:

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Thought this was interesting, points saved relative to height. I'm waffling on who I think the DPOY should be, but this is another datapoint that Rudy should still be one of the top vote-getters.

Maybe this makes some sense if basketball is like boxing and there are height classes. It doesn't though.

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greg4012 · Post #91 » by **greg4012** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:24 pm

bisme37 wrote:
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There's a tweet like this about Smart after basically every Celtics game...

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I can keep going but you get the point. Advanced stats are going to favor bigs who are elite rim protectors. But the argument for Smart is simply... no one can score on the man.

Read on Twitter

Madhouse · Post #92 » by **Madhouse** » Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:52 pm

looking at the early voting results, it's trending towards Marcus Smart with Bridges a close 2nd.

Ziggie · Post #93 » by **Ziggie** » Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:06 am

In my opinion it could either be Bam or Marcus smart.

I am a heat fan so I want bam but I believe smart should get the edge.

Bam played 58 games I believe, smart 71.

I go with the guy who played a near full season

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greg4012 · Post #94 » by **greg4012** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:53 pm

Zach Lowe votes for Bam for DPOY

"...Adebayo and Jackson can do much of what Smart does on the perimeter while still providing shot-blocking and center-level rebounding. Jackson is a so-so rebounder, but Adebayo posted the best defensive rebounding rate of his career -- impressive considering he switched almost 100 more ball screens than anyone, per Second Spectrum. That meant defending tons of isolations, and Adebayo held opposing scorers to a laughable 0.793 points when they tried him one-on-one, per Second Spectrum.

Gobert is the league's best rim protector, and way more comfortable than he gets credit for containing guards on switches. He is a one-man defensive architecture. (Embiid is too; he had an underrated defensive season, and was a contender for a ballot spot here.) Utah's defense melted away without Gobert.

We hear incessantly how five-out alignments "take Gobert out of the game," but that applies in varying degrees to every big man. The best argument against Adebayo is that switching often leaves him guarding some non-threatening wing far from the basket; he challenged only 3.5 shots at the rim, half Gobert's average and about five fewer than Embiid.

But the benefits of Adebayo's versatility far outweigh that one drawback considering how ferocious he is rushing back into the fray around the rim. It just felt like time to honor a different sort of player. The Heat -- No. 4 in overall defense -- went all-in on switching, and you can't do that unless your centerpiece big man is airtight at it. Switching is a form of rim protection in that it constructs a forcefield around the arc; you don't need to protect the rim if no one encroaches there.

Smart's backers would point out Boston is all-in on switching too, and could not have gone that route without a jumbo point guard who defends way above his size. (One of the league's great pleasures is watching Smart's burrowing box-outs against 7-footers.) Smart is 10th in charges taken -- another form of paint protection.

All fair. With Jimmy Butler and Kyle Lowry missing so much time, Adebayo felt more irreplaceable. The Heat were way stingier with Adebayo on the floor; Boston defended at about the same level with Smart playing or resting. (Phoenix was better with Bridges on the bench, but no one should hold that against him. The Suns were awesome regardless, and Bridges spent more time against opposing starters.)

Advanced metrics love Adebayo. (They adore Jackson too, but foul trouble short-circuits too many of his stints.) Adebayo covers for one or two glaring weak spots. Boston's top seven players all deserve All-Defensive consideration.

At some point you shrug and vote what feels right to you."

PhilBlackson · Post #95 » by **PhilBlackson** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:09 pm

How can you possibly put Mobley when it's become glaringly apparent it was moreso Allen?!

Anyways if any of Mikal, Smart or Bam win it, I think any of them could be deserving of it but that would likely be my order as well.

Catchall · Post #96 » by **Catchall** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:11 pm

From what little has leaked, the voting seems to be falling along two lines: Rudy and Not Rudy.

The Not Rudy votes are going to Giannis, Smart and Bam mostly, some Draymond too, but if those guys split the vote Rudy will probably end up winning it again.

I think it will come down to Rudy and Giannis in the end. There isn't a lot of consensus.

Post #97 » by **bisme37** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:21 pm

Current voting results have Smart with a substantial lead.

Player/1st place votes/2nd/3rd/Total points

Smart/13/7/3/89
Rudy/6/5/1/46
Bridges/5/3/6/40
Bam/4/2/3/29
JJJ/3/3/4/28
Giannis/2/0/2/12

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/htmlview#

Ambrose · Post #98 » by **Ambrose** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:27 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I think it should be Gobert. But it won't be. Tough with both Embiid and Bam because they have such strong defenders playing alongside them, particularly Bam. I think I'd lean Embiid over him honestly.

Yeah, it should be Gobert. Impact numbers still point to him being the most impactful defensive player in the NBA by a good margin. But voter fatigue and narrative exist.

Woodsanity · Post #99 » by **Woodsanity** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:59 pm

If were going to choose a perimeter defender this season Bridges should have gotten it over Smart but I guess Smart is more known....

TheLand13 · Post #100 » by **TheLand13** » Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:40 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:How can you possibly put Mobley when it's become glaringly apparent it was moreso Allen?!

Anyways if any of Mikal, Smart or Bam win it, I think any of them could be deserving of it but that would likely be my order as well.

While Allen was their main defensive anchor, Mobley at the 4 was playing ridiculous defense. I do agree that he doesn’t deserve consideration over Allen though.

Who would you vote for as DPOY?