Kyrie:What would your contract offer be if you were the Nets?

[danvato]

My top choice is to let him walk, use the tax savings to take on a player via $11m TPE, full MLE, and bring back Clax and BB. But I know that won't happen so plan B.

3 year max deal, 3rd year player option, max is incentive based on number of games play, call it 50 per year.

What the Nets will likely offer is a 4 year version of the above.

[danvato]

he is going to bolt if he isnt offered 4/200. thats his market value. common misunderstanding is nets are the beggars not kyrie.

You sir, do not know what you are talking about. Market value is determine by...the market. There isn't a single team right now with cap space to offer 4/200m to anyone, let alone Kyrie. Not even Orlando, not even OKC.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

[danvato]

I believe he is going to opt out of his contract, so if you are the Nets, what will you do with him?

Do you still offer a long term max contract(4 or 5 years) or just short term contract(1 year or 2) or do you offer less than the max contract and take the bet that no other team will be interested in signing Kyrie because of all the drama around him?

I don't think Kyrie has leverage on this, so what will you do with him?

What league are you watching where kyrie doesn’t get whatever he wants. Stop thinking that teams have any leverage

The league in which Nets pulled his extension offer earlier this season once his vax position came out and it because clear he will not be eligible to play full time.

[seren]

Zero dollars. It would be a blessing if he opts out and leaves. If he opts in, I’d try to trade him. He is simply not reliable. You can’t win championship with a guy like that

[danvato]

Max contract with a lot of stipulations (minimum games played, no off court incidents etc.)

I do not think can you put those kind of salary reductions/penalties in an NBA contract. Many players legitimately miss a large number of games due to injuries sustained while actually playing. Plus, off court "incidents" are hard to predict and subject to interpretation.

You can however, offer him a lower paying contract with incentives for playing at least x number of games, making the all star team, All NBA, winning MVP, etc. If any off court incidents are determined detrimental to the team, you can fine him for those incidents (but be prepared for the NBA Players Association to fight you tooth and nail).

The sticking point is, if you're Kyrie Irving, why would you even consider an incentive heavy contract that is less than the max, even if you think all the incentives are within reach?

Games played is a very common incentive. See Jrue Holiday contract as an example. Kyries curreent contract has ~1M of likely and unlikely bonuses. Jrue had ~$5m worth, including games player (67 for him), finals, championship, all-nba defense. You can easily go with something similar for Kyrie (all-nba instead of defense).

[BNM]

Max contract with a lot of stipulations (minimum games played, no off court incidents etc.)

I do not think can you put those kind of salary reductions/penalties in an NBA contract. Many players legitimately miss a large number of games due to injuries sustained while actually playing. Plus, off court "incidents" are hard to predict and subject to interpretation.

You can however, offer him a lower paying contract with incentives for playing at least x number of games, making the all star team, All NBA, winning MVP, etc. If any off court incidents are determined detrimental to the team, you can fine him for those incidents (but be prepared for the NBA Players Association to fight you tooth and nail).

The sticking point is, if you're Kyrie Irving, why would you even consider an incentive heavy contract that is less than the max, even if you think all the incentives are within reach?

Games played is a very common incentive. See Jrue Holiday contract as an example. Kyries curreent contract has ~1M of likely and unlikely bonuses. Jrue had ~$5m worth, including games player (67 for him), finals, championship, all-nba defense. You can easily go with something similar for Kyrie (all-nba instead of defense).

Everything you wrote is 100% true, but unfortunately did not address what I wrote.

Bonuses (aka: positive incentives) have been around for decades (i.e. make the all start team, get a bonus; make All NBA, get a bonus; win MVP, get a bonus, shoot at least .350 from 3-point range, get a bonus). However, there is a limit. You can't give a player a maximum contract and then add on bonuses that would cause his salary to exceed the maximum. In other words, a maximum contract is exactly what the name says it is. Note: neither Jrue's nor Kyrie's current contract are maximum contracts, therefore, bonuses are allowed.

However, the post I quoted, suggested the exact opposite: penalties (aka: negative incentives) for missing games, off court incidents, etc. Such penalties are not allowed for NBA contracts. All NBA contracts are guaranteed. Allowing penalties would effectively eliminate the guaranteed contract feature the NBA Players Association has fought hard to keep. Otherwise, you could potentially see contracts with a stipulation of you miss an entire season, you are penalized 100% of your salary (after this year, I'm sure owner's would love to see that, but no way does the Players Association agree to it).

So, in Kyrie's case, you cannot offer him a maximum contract with penalties for games missed, off court incidents, etc. Nor, can you offer him a max contract with bonuses for playing a certain number of games, making the all star team etc.

You could, as I stated, offer him a less than max contract with bonuses for certain accomplishments, but why would Kyrie accept anything less than a 100% guaranteed maximum contract?

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Let him walk. If KD gets mad they can get a nice young core for him. Same with Simmons