Capn'O wrote:HardenToSixers wrote:Capn'O wrote:If only there were a stat that measured what share of a team's wins a player contributed to we could determine who was most valuable.
True, we shouldn't even have playoffs. Too much statistical variance. Let's just add up the weighted average of those stats of the rotation players on each team and give the trophy to the team with the highest number.
There are two accolades for the playoffs that apply to this concern: The FMVP and the Larry O'Brien trophy.
For the RS MVP Jokic is absolutely a deserving winner both in terms of how watching the game you see that the Nuggets are pretty good with him on the court and absolute dog poo without him on the court. Also, by the numbers which represent that.
Though, frankly, if it were up to me, I'd give it to Giannis every year.
I personally disagree on your premise of what the MVP should be. I think that we should adapt to things such as playoff expectations when possible. I think that you should ask yourself which version of a player this year would you rather have your team in a playoff series when answering the question. I think, hypothetically, if a player sits out the last 5-10 games of the year because it will add no value to their postseason standings, and still had an outstanding season, then that, for the most part, should not be counted against them. I think a player like Gobert should get less credit for DPOY rankings because his defensive impact is not translatable to the playoffs when certain traits are valued higher. I don't think we need to go overboard with that but I think it is the voter's responsibility to take some of those factors into consideration.
I also don't even think that is that controversial of an opinion and many people would agree with me that some kind of playoff forecasting is important, due to the significance that is placed on the MVP award and how little significance is given to the regular season in relation to the playoffs.
If you ask me, they probably should even think of a way to consider playoff performance as part of the MVP voting, however that's a discussion for another time.
And furthermore, even if you disagree with everything I just said, acting like we should take the highest single-number advanced stats as the representation for who should be MVP every year is a terrible process imo.
Regardless, none of the above was a pitch for Embiid or Jokic for MVP and are two points I would stand by regardless of the candidates or year being discussed. Thinking about MVP the way you laid out above is how fraud MVPs like Westbrook his triple double year happens.
