There is no work ethic/obsessed/drive narrative around Jokic

[AussieRules]

Don't assume that talk = actual work.

He clearly has put in immense amounts of work, he's not some huge athletic marvel that gets by on his size or speed alone.

He does have a size advantage which he capitalizes on, you can tell he is a hard worker given how extremely skilled he is for a guy that size.

[bearadonisdna]

And then you got Jokic taking a back seat to Murray who isn’t even Allstar caliber.

How many "Allstar calibers" have had multiple 50 pt games in a playoff series?

What’s your point? That Jamal Murray can be the 1st or 2nd best player on a championship team ?
Generally speaking , in current context if 2nd best guy is a zero time all star your not going anywhere

[Richard Miller]

And then you got Jokic taking a back seat to Murray who isn’t even Allstar caliber.

How many "Allstar calibers" have had multiple 50 pt games in a playoff series?

What’s your point?

So, it doesn't matter how many times he had 40+ and 50 pt games, nor that he averages around 25 pts in the playoffs over his career, the important thing is how many times he appeared in an AS game? You would rather have Wiggins or Ben Simmons over healthy Jamal Murray in the playoffs? Lol.

[bearadonisdna]

How many "Allstar calibers" have had multiple 50 pt games in a playoff series?

What’s your point?

So, it doesn't matter how many times he had 40+ and 50 pt games, nor that he averages around 25 pts in the playoffs over his career, the important thing is how many times he appeared in an AS game? You would rather have Wiggins or Ben Simmons over healthy Jamal Murray in the playoffs? Lol.

Who you would rather have is pretty circumstantial .
Your making it all about Murray the bigger question is can Jokic be the number 1 guy on a championship team .

Murray is a B tier level player so the over discussing him is not my objective.

Murray carried the offensive load in their most signature series . Is that sustainable for a championship team ? If you think so , just say so. Your kinda just asking me questions instead of just stating your opinion

[Richard Miller]

Murray is a B tier level player so the over discussing him is not my objective.

He's not. Jokic and Murray can easily be 1a and 1b as they proved in the bubble. Murray was the key player to beat the Jazz. Jokic was the key player to beat the Clippers.

[bearadonisdna]

Murray is a B tier level player so the over discussing him is not my objective.

He's not. Jokic and Murray can easily be 1a and 1b as they proved in the bubble. Murray was the key player to beat the Jazz. Jokic was the key player to beat the Clippers.

You’re are definitely overrating Murray then .
The bubble was a long time ago , if I used the bubble I’d say the lakers are a tough team .

Murray is more like a championship teams 3rd best player. Just look at the landscape of big 2s and Murray is the lower tier championship contending number 2.

[Wolfgang630]

I do think Murray is not as good as the bubble. That’s why Jokic should wait and see how this year goes with him. If he’s not good enough then Joker needs to ask to be traded because I’m already dicey on if Murray is a good enough number 2.

The guy will probably never be an All Star….it’s kind of rare nowadays to win a championship without your #2 guy not being an All Star. I think it hasn’t happened since the Mavs way back in 2011…Even the Spurs in 2014 had Tim Duncan, Manu, Tony Parker, Pop, Kawhi who already had championship pedigree.

[Richard Miller]

Murray is a B tier level player so the over discussing him is not my objective.

He's not. Jokic and Murray can easily be 1a and 1b as they proved in the bubble. Murray was the key player to beat the Jazz. Jokic was the key player to beat the Clippers.

You’re are definitely overrating Murray then .
The bubble was a long time ago , if I used the bubble I’d say the lakers are a tough team .

Lakers are not the same team, literally not the same players and Lebron is turning 38 later this year. Jamal otoh turned 25 only three months ago and (if healthy) has the best years in front him. Not just the bubble, he's had strong plays in literally every playoff series he played. You're underrating him because he didn't make it to the AS game, as if that matters anything.

[bearadonisdna]

He's not. Jokic and Murray can easily be 1a and 1b as they proved in the bubble. Murray was the key player to beat the Jazz. Jokic was the key player to beat the Clippers.

You’re are definitely overrating Murray then .
The bubble was a long time ago , if I used the bubble I’d say the lakers are a tough team .

Lakers are not the same team, literally not the same players and Lebron is turning 38 later this year. Jamal otoh turned 25 only three months ago and (if healthy) has the best years in front him. Not just the bubble, he's had strong plays in literally every playoff series he played. You're underrating him because he didn't make it to the AS game, as if that matters anything.

Now you are becoming fixated on his lack of allstars, but you are trying to make the case he is A level nba player or star when his biggest nba accolade is 2016-17 all rookie.

That is absolutely not the standard dude.

Wat year is it really? We are talking about over half a decade later and not 1 nba accolade .
Let’s let’s just call a spade a spade and conclude ‘ At best ‘ he is a B level star .

[Richard Miller]

You’re are definitely overrating Murray then .
The bubble was a long time ago , if I used the bubble I’d say the lakers are a tough team .

Lakers are not the same team, literally not the same players and Lebron is turning 38 later this year. Jamal otoh turned 25 only three months ago and (if healthy) has the best years in front him. Not just the bubble, he's had strong plays in literally every playoff series he played. You're underrating him because he didn't make it to the AS game, as if that matters anything.

Now you are becoming fixated on his lack of allstars, but you are trying to make the case he is A level nba player or star when his biggest nba accolade is 2016-17 all rookie.

That is absolutely not the standard dude.

Wat year is it really? We are talking about over half a decade later and not 1 nba accolade .
Let’s let’s just call a spade a spade and conclude ‘ At best ‘ he is a B level star .

24.3/4.6/5.8 over 33 playoff games with some good percentages, it's not that hard to understand

[kenwood3333]

Those 'stories' were created by the media, its clearly the media doesn't care much about Jokic.

[MrBigShot]

You don't become half as good as Jokic is without busting your ass. Remember that he is below average athletically by NBA standards.

B-level star winning back to back MVP in a league where KD, Giannis, Tatum, Steph, LeBron, Joel Embiid all play? Telling on yourself for being a casual buddy.

[bearadonisdna]

Lakers are not the same team, literally not the same players and Lebron is turning 38 later this year. Jamal otoh turned 25 only three months ago and (if healthy) has the best years in front him. Not just the bubble, he's had strong plays in literally every playoff series he played. You're underrating him because he didn't make it to the AS game, as if that matters anything.

Now you are becoming fixated on his lack of allstars, but you are trying to make the case he is A level nba player or star when his biggest nba accolade is 2016-17 all rookie.

That is absolutely not the standard dude.

Wat year is it really? We are talking about over half a decade later and not 1 nba accolade .
Let’s let’s just call a spade a spade and conclude ‘ At best ‘ he is a B level star .

24.3/4.6/5.8 over 33 playoff games with some good percentages, it's not that hard to understand

That’s ok man .
You a probably a nugget or Murray fan .
It’s understood that he can be good offensively some times more than Jokic.

Dude I’ve made that very point myself. It’s leads to question of whether Jokic is a true #1. Or is he glorified #2 like a steve Nash or Derrick rose.

That’s the debate. The question. What you arguing is not . There is a small sample size of good playoff production but that where it ends.

[ch434355]

World class athlete, top of his field, back to back MVPs.

Who cares what the narrative is, the drive is clearly there. You don't coast to being the best.

[bearadonisdna]

You don't become half as good as Jokic is without busting your ass. Remember that he is below average athletically by NBA standards.

B-level star winning back to back MVP in a league where KD, Giannis, Tatum, Steph, LeBron, Joel Embiid all play? Telling on yourself for being a casual buddy.

Who are you talking to no. Nobody called Jokic a B level star . Good grief, if you look at context it’s repeatedly been Murray in the discussion .

[Marty McFly]

Oce neko na basket..


guarantee this dude does nothing but be around his family, around his horses and in the gym playing ball.

[Richard Miller]

Now you are becoming fixated on his lack of allstars, but you are trying to make the case he is A level nba player or star when his biggest nba accolade is 2016-17 all rookie.

That is absolutely not the standard dude.

Wat year is it really? We are talking about over half a decade later and not 1 nba accolade .
Let’s let’s just call a spade a spade and conclude ‘ At best ‘ he is a B level star .

24.3/4.6/5.8 over 33 playoff games with some good percentages, it's not that hard to understand

That’s ok man .
You a probably a nugget or Murray fan .
It’s understood that he can be good offensively some times more than Jokic.

Dude I’ve made that very point myself. It’s leads to question of whether Jokic is a true #1. Or is he glorified #2 like a steve Nash or Derrick rose.

That’s the debate. The question. What you arguing is not . There is a small sample size of good playoff production but that where it ends.

Jokic is someone who will do whatever he needs to do, if he needs to facilitate he'll do that, if he needs to score he will score, I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about those #1 #2 whatever