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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#81 » by 1st banana » Mon May 30, 2022 7:51 pm

Do the heat have their shooters practice that 5 step shuffle gather that strus and Robinson do? Not sure how that’s never a travel but it did look like the foot came down out.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen the review come so much later in the game tho. If it was the other way around I’d probably be livid but it is within the rules.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#82 » by Backcountry » Mon May 30, 2022 8:12 pm

og15 wrote:So just to add, review can even be mean to you as the offensive player if you get fouled, because a foul could get called, they are going to look at if it is a 2 or 3, and then they can see that you had a boundary line violation and a turnover gets called instead :lol:. At that point you'll be like "just give me a 2 and don't review".


Maybe I'm misunderstanding it, but the way I read it is that there has to be a question whether or not it was a 2 or 3-pointer, or whether it was very close to the shot not beating the clock, in order to trigger a review. In this case there was definitely no question that it was a 3-pointer (wasn't even close to the line), but I can't remember if it was a close-to-a-shot-clock beater?

If it wasn't close to the end of the shot clock, then it appears that they reviewed it for no reason.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#83 » by balla4lyf23 » Mon May 30, 2022 8:40 pm

1st banana wrote:Do the heat have their shooters practice that 5 step shuffle gather that strus and Robinson do? Not sure how that’s never a travel but it did look like the foot came down out.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen the review come so much later in the game tho. If it was the other way around I’d probably be livid but it is within the rules.

lol dont act like travels aren't called on a nightly basis in the NBA. watch any given game and you're bound to see a bad missed travel here and there. its not just Miami, all 30 teams have players who do it lol
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#84 » by Edrees » Mon May 30, 2022 9:17 pm

My question is what if a shot like that happened with 2 minutes left and someone wins by 1 point. Since it took them longer than 2 minutes to review and change it, if that happened with 2 minutes left, after the game is over and someone gets presented an ECF trophy, would they change the result and give the trophy to different player on a different team?

Im fine with them changing the result of the play, I just think it's wrong to change the score of a play after the next play happens. Because it affects how the rest of the game is played. Like it or not, people play differently depending on how much they are up or down by. I agree with whoeever said that when they decided to remove the 3 points, at that moment in time they should have blown a whitle, and gone back and rewind the clock to the moment the play happened replay the rest of the game from there.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#85 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Mon May 30, 2022 10:14 pm

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picc wrote:He was out of bounds. Would you like non-counting points to count?


Was he though? Not so sure, to wipe points off the board like 5 minutes of gametime later when you can't tell for sure is pretty bad.


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Yes, he’s clearly out of bounds his heel hit the line. No shot. No points. End of discussion.

Lol it's not even remotely conclusive to anyone with functioning eyes that his heel was actually touching the floor. At 0:06 is the closest you can get and yet you still cannot definitively say his heel was touching the line, to say that it was would be a mere assumption or speculation and not an actual statement of fact. Doesn't mean Miami would've won the game but let's at least be honest with ourselves and not pretend that Miami didn't get hosed by that unprecedented series of events

But it's whatever tho. I thought Boston was the better team so I'm actually okay with them advancing to the Finals and I'll definitely be rooting for them
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#86 » by Genjuro » Mon May 30, 2022 11:20 pm

It's funny how different we can perceive the same images, because I don't see the heel touching the line on that replay.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#87 » by scottyno » Mon May 30, 2022 11:24 pm

Edrees wrote:My question is what if a shot like that happened with 2 minutes left and someone wins by 1 point. Since it took them longer than 2 minutes to review and change it, if that happened with 2 minutes left, after the game is over and someone gets presented an ECF trophy, would they change the result and give the trophy to different player on a different team?

Im fine with them changing the result of the play, I just think it's wrong to change the score of a play after the next play happens. Because it affects how the rest of the game is played. Like it or not, people play differently depending on how much they are up or down by. I agree with whoeever said that when they decided to remove the 3 points, at that moment in time they should have blown a whitle, and gone back and rewind the clock to the moment the play happened replay the rest of the game from there.

Then they would have stopped the game for an automatic review. Would you rather early in the 3rd quarter they had a long pause of play to decide if a guy stepped out of bounds? And also stop play 5-10 times a game to see if a guys toe was on a line?
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#88 » by RB34 » Mon May 30, 2022 11:28 pm

Last two minute report looking juicy.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#89 » by Jabroni Lames » Mon May 30, 2022 11:34 pm

Take away Butler’s foul grifting the entire series and this one is over in 5 games.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#90 » by Roscoe Sheed » Mon May 30, 2022 11:37 pm

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Edrees wrote:My question is what if a shot like that happened with 2 minutes left and someone wins by 1 point. Since it took them longer than 2 minutes to review and change it, if that happened with 2 minutes left, after the game is over and someone gets presented an ECF trophy, would they change the result and give the trophy to different player on a different team?

Im fine with them changing the result of the play, I just think it's wrong to change the score of a play after the next play happens. Because it affects how the rest of the game is played. Like it or not, people play differently depending on how much they are up or down by. I agree with whoeever said that when they decided to remove the 3 points, at that moment in time they should have blown a whitle, and gone back and rewind the clock to the moment the play happened replay the rest of the game from there.

Then they would have stopped the game for an automatic review. Would you rather early in the 3rd quarter they had a long pause of play to decide if a guy stepped out of bounds? And also stop play 5-10 times a game to see if a guys toe was on a line?
it might be best to get rid of replays altogether because it slows the game down too much. They didn’t have replay for decades and the world didn’t come to an end. Also, it would prevent bizarre reviews like the one mentioned in this thread
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#91 » by Gramercy Riffs » Mon May 30, 2022 11:38 pm

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picc wrote:He was out of bounds. Would you like non-counting points to count?


Was he though? Not so sure, to wipe points off the board like 5 minutes of gametime later when you can't tell for sure is pretty bad.


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Bad call. There's no clear visible evidence that he stepped out of bounds. League flubbed this call.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#92 » by scottyno » Tue May 31, 2022 12:38 am

Roscoe Sheed wrote:it might be best to get rid of replays altogether because it slows the game down too much. They didn’t have replay for decades and the world didn’t come to an end. Also, it would prevent bizarre reviews like the one mentioned in this thread

They didn't have phones, planes, tvs, or the internet for decades either, should we also get rid of those? If they have the technology to get more calls right why wouldn't you want to use them?
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#93 » by xchange55 » Tue May 31, 2022 12:59 am

Such casual fans here - it’s like you don’t regularly watch the NBA

https://official.nba.com/rule-no-13-instant-replay/

I will agree foot out of bounds reversals are much less common (probably because it’s caught live more often) than reversing a 3 to a 2 after replay - but it’s happened many times before.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#94 » by [EverGreen] » Tue May 31, 2022 1:01 am

Froob wrote:Lowry got the Heat enough calls lol, they got plenty.

So much this. To isolate one call, ignores all the horrible ways Lowry tried to get into the Finals.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#95 » by Roscoe Sheed » Tue May 31, 2022 2:15 am

scottyno wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:it might be best to get rid of replays altogether because it slows the game down too much. They didn’t have replay for decades and the world didn’t come to an end. Also, it would prevent bizarre reviews like the one mentioned in this thread

They didn't have phones, planes, tvs, or the internet for decades either, should we also get rid of those? If they have the technology to get more calls right why wouldn't you want to use them?

because it slows the game down so much- they review too many things (3 pointers, out of bounds, regular fouls, flagrant fouls, etc). They also sometimes take way too long to assess the call.

I'd be in favor of getting rid of all reviews besides clock issues.
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Post#96 » by Rapcity_11 » Tue May 31, 2022 2:23 am

xchange55 wrote:Such casual fans here - it’s like you don’t regularly watch the NBA

https://official.nba.com/rule-no-13-instant-replay/

I will agree foot out of bounds reversals are much less common (probably because it’s caught live more often) than reversing a 3 to a 2 after replay - but it’s happened many times before.


Many times? :roll:
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#97 » by SerialChiller » Tue May 31, 2022 2:35 am

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Yes? Do you think they just pretended to look at the replay? I don't get it.


Seems like they reversed a call WAY late that didn't have any conclusive evidence tbh...


Do you need glasses?


My vision is just fine, but i guess its not as good as your apparent xray vision that can see through a shoe. There is no way that is conclusive enough to reverse the call otherwise.
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Post#98 » by SerialChiller » Tue May 31, 2022 2:38 am

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Patches Perry wrote:Officiating sucked for both teams but I've never seen points retroactively wiped off the board several minutes later on an out of bounds call. I thought they just reviewed 2 or 3. Weird for it to show up in a game 7.


This! That was ridiculous and I've never seen that before either, only a 3 changed to a 2, but out of bounds minutes later? Get out of here...


Are refs suppose to make calls based on the awareness of casual fans?


Thanks for gracing us casuals with your expert knowlege!
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#99 » by scottyno » Tue May 31, 2022 2:38 am

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Roscoe Sheed wrote:it might be best to get rid of replays altogether because it slows the game down too much. They didn’t have replay for decades and the world didn’t come to an end. Also, it would prevent bizarre reviews like the one mentioned in this thread

They didn't have phones, planes, tvs, or the internet for decades either, should we also get rid of those? If they have the technology to get more calls right why wouldn't you want to use them?

because it slows the game down so much- they review too many things (3 pointers, out of bounds, regular fouls, flagrant fouls, etc). They also sometimes take way too long to assess the call.

I'd be in favor of getting rid of all reviews besides clock issues.

The review in question didn't slow the game down at all.
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Re: Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston... 

Post#100 » by Chessboxer » Tue May 31, 2022 2:45 am

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Froob wrote:Lowry got the Heat enough calls lol, they got plenty.

So much this. To isolate one all, ignores all the horrible way Lowry tried to get into the Finals.


He's no worse than Marcus Smart so that evens out as well.
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