2022 NBA Finals | (3) GSW VS. (2) BOS (TIED 1-1)

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who will win

GSW in 5
17
7%
GSW in 6
53
21%
GSW in 7
31
13%
BOS in 7
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6%
BOS in 6
98
40%
BOS in 5
20
8%
BOS in 4
14
6%
 
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Post#81 » by One Last Shot » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:31 pm

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AussieCeltic wrote:And?

Warriors in game 1 were 19-45… the only time they hit more 3’s this postseason was game 6 against the Grizz where they were 20-53.

Both teams have been nearly identical from 3 these playoffs.

Boston - 13.8/37.3 = 37.1%
GS - 13.8/36.2 = 38.2%

Both teams shot above their percentage today. Boston hit 2 more 3’s on 4 less shots. That wasn’t the difference though. It was the fact the Warriors scored 4 points in a 6 minute span in the 4th.

Warriors shot closer to their average percentage than Celtics. I also never implied the Warriors didn’t make more 3’s than average but their percentage was more in standard range.

And that 4th quarter 3 point shooting definitely iced the game. They were around 12/29 from 3 before the 4th quarter. So already above their average. Celtics defense was great but you don’t have a 24 point turn around without lights out shooting too. They went 9/12 from 3 in the 4th quarter.

Celtics were down 12 entering the 4th. Curry sat crucial minutes of the 4th when the Celtics made the initial part of the 17-0 run that ultimately ended the game.


Curry was in the game already when Celtics made a 17-0 run Warriors still up by 3 then Steph responded with 3 bricks like he always does when he's under pressure and didn't score a single point for the last 6 minutes of the game. He dance and shimmy when they are overwhelming favorite against inferior teams then folds when the going gets tough. They lose Game 1 where Tatum had a terrible shooting night. Whenever he play this bad Including last Playoffs when he shot less than 41% from the field, he responded next game with 50 pts, 39 pts, 29 pts, 30 pts, 46 pts, 31 pts and 30 pts game. Let's see how GSW respond in Game 2. Looking forward for another great game.
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Post#82 » by jozef » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:32 pm

Steve Kerr held Looney too long in 1st Q, he ran out of gas against dynamic young Celtics and Warriors lost their lead.
In 4th Q Steve waited too long to put Curry back on the floor. Steph should be back very soon, when the lead rop under 10 points. He should play 40+ minutes, he got a lot of rest and next game is in 3 days.

We pretty much saw what Celtics could do. Warriors still can use Bjelica, Payton and Kuminga to improve execution or athleticism.

I for sure would play Bjelica, high bball IQ, and he is good matchup for Horford. Payton if healthy can balance out Smart's defensive impact. Kuminga can finish above the rim (I would not let him create with the ball, he is still immature for that role).
As far as Poole, he is more iso player, he should look for switch and score against less mobile defender (not Smart, not Brown, nor Tatum). And Warriors should play more zone defense with him on the floor.

Can't wait to see what Steve Kerr will do.
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Post#83 » by jozef » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:33 pm

jozef wrote:Steve Kerr held Looney too long in 1st Q, he ran out of gas against dynamic young Celtics and Warriors lost their lead.
In 4th Q Steve waited too long to put Curry back on the floor. Steph should be back very soon, when the lead drop under 10 points. He should play 40+ minutes, he got a lot of rest and next game is in 3 days.

We pretty much saw what Celtics could do. Warriors still can use Bjelica, Payton and Kuminga to improve execution or athleticism.

I for sure would play Bjelica, high bball IQ, and he is good matchup for Horford. Payton if healthy can balance out Smart's defensive impact. Kuminga can finish above the rim (I would not let him create with the ball, he is still immature for that role).
As far as Poole, he is more iso player, he should look for switch and score against less mobile defender (not Smart, not Brown, nor Tatum). And Warriors should play more zone defense with him on the floor.

Can't wait to see what Steve Kerr will do.
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Post#84 » by KHRICH » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:47 pm

Those 12 min iggy got should go to kuminga iggy is done
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Post#85 » by QingJames » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:47 pm

2022 Celtics and 2019 Raptors

Tatum < Leonard
Brown > Siakam
Smart = Lowry
White = FVV
Horford > Gasol
Williams < Ibaka

Similar team composition running similar defensive schemes. Golden State is totally outmatched when they don’t get to play teams missing their best or top 2/3 players and have to play actual elite defensive teams. Warriors cannot handle big star wings or going against a team with no negative defenders in the lineup.

Curry, Klay and Dray just ain’t it. Especially Dray, he was getting cooked on defense three years ago in the finals and he was horrible last night. Those 3 got thoroughly outplayed in the finals without Durant in 2019, and they are getting thoroughly outplayed in these finals without Durant.
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Post#86 » by JN61 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:49 pm

BayArea408415 wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:And?

Warriors in game 1 were 19-45… the only time they hit more 3’s this postseason was game 6 against the Grizz where they were 20-53.

Both teams have been nearly identical from 3 these playoffs.

Boston - 13.8/37.3 = 37.1%
GS - 13.8/36.2 = 38.2%

Both teams shot above their percentage today. Boston hit 2 more 3’s on 4 less shots. That wasn’t the difference though. It was the fact the Warriors scored 4 points in a 6 minute span in the 4th.

Warriors shot closer to their average percentage than Celtics. I also never implied the Warriors didn’t make more 3’s than average but their percentage was more in standard range.

And that 4th quarter 3 point shooting definitely iced the game. They were around 12/29 from 3 before the 4th quarter. So already above their average. Celtics defense was great but you don’t have a 24 point turn around without lights out shooting too. They went 9/12 from 3 in the 4th quarter.

Celtics were down 12 entering the 4th. Curry sat crucial minutes of the 4th when the Celtics made the initial part of the 17-0 run that ultimately ended the game.

They scored 7 points on 4th while Curry sat. 33 while Curry was on the court... Giving Curry -20 on the quarter. Stop with this made up narrative you trying to spin here. It's easiest thing to check up these facts. Curry was 2/6 on the 4th, majorly contributing to the choke while you try to wash his hands from the poor performance of Warriors.
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Post#87 » by myronbolitar » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:51 pm

QingJames wrote:2022 Celtics and 2019 Raptors

Tatum < Leonard
Brown > Siakam
Smart = Lowry
White = FVV
Horford > Gasol
Williams < Ibaka

Similar team composition running similar defensive schemes. Golden State is totally outmatched when they don’t get to play teams missing their best or top 2/3 players and have to play actual elite defensive teams. Warriors cannot handle big star wings or going against a team with no negative defenders in the lineup.

Curry, Klay and Dray just ain’t it. Especially Dray, he was getting cooked on defense three years ago in the finals and he was horrible last night. Those 3 got thoroughly outplayed in the finals without Durant in 2019, and they are getting thoroughly outplayed in these finals without Durant.


Agree with all this, except you thinking that Ibaka was better than Rob Williams. On the other hand, I think you can definitely make a case that Lowry was better than Smart is now, as good as Smart is.
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Post#88 » by QingJames » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:56 pm

myronbolitar wrote:
QingJames wrote:2022 Celtics and 2019 Raptors

Tatum < Leonard
Brown > Siakam
Smart = Lowry
White = FVV
Horford > Gasol
Williams < Ibaka

Similar team composition running similar defensive schemes. Golden State is totally outmatched when they don’t get to play teams missing their best or top 2/3 players and have to play actual elite defensive teams. Warriors cannot handle big star wings or going against a team with no negative defenders in the lineup.

Curry, Klay and Dray just ain’t it. Especially Dray, he was getting cooked on defense three years ago in the finals and he was horrible last night. Those 3 got thoroughly outplayed in the finals without Durant in 2019, and they are getting thoroughly outplayed in these finals without Durant.


Agree with all this, except you thinking that Ibaka was better than Rob Williams. On the other hand, I think you can definitely make a case that Lowry was better than Smart is now, as good as Smart is.

Yeah I can see the arguments for both those points. Rob just has looked kinda bad since the second half of the Miami series, and that continued tonight. Obviously when he’s on he’s a better defender than Ibaka was and it isn’t close, but Ibaka was also much more versatile offensively.

With Lowry and Smart, I do think Lowry was clearly the superior offensive player but Smart is the superior defender. So it’s a wash to me. But yeah, I wouldn’t argue if you feel differently on those two aspects
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Post#89 » by sam_I_am » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:59 pm

The Warriors players and fans keep saying they dominated for 42 min. before letting the Celtics come back. However, that isn’t accurate at all. It was a 4 pt game after Steph Curry’s career best first quarter and GS trailed by 2 at halftime. Even at the 7 min mark GS only led by 4. Over the next 3 -4 min. they extended the lead to 15 and held it to the 1:30 mark.

So realistically, the game was close for 2 1/2 quarters until the Warriors had a great 4 min. of dominant play. Then the Celtics stepped on their throats for the next 13 minutes.
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Post#90 » by ccie8030 » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:59 pm

KyRo23 wrote:Wasn't able to watch after Q1, but I watched the full game highlights.

I didn't see Tatum do one thing in the highlights, what happened? Was he being intentionally doubled/shut down?

Looked like Brown started the run and Horford/Smart finished it off. Amazing


Box and 1 on Tatum, similar to what the Raptors did. JT will figure it out. If im GSW, I would be worried, Jayson has good bounce back games.
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Post#91 » by 50yrceltsfan » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:59 pm

This has Boston sweep written all over it. They didn't steal this game, they crushed GS the entire 4th quarter. Robert Williams looks close to 100% and has 3 more days of rest before game 2, and Horford also plays much better with an extra day off. Derek White has found his shot three games in a row now. Tatum will have a big game 2. Brown cannot be stopped when he gets hot.

Celtics D will morph as this series goes on, and clamp down more and more. Curry won't see the light of day from here on in. Green is terrible, Thompson is too slow, Poole is not ready. Wiggins is pretty good, as is Otto.

The Garden will ROCK for games 3 & 4, Warriors have no chance winning there in this series.
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Post#92 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Jun 3, 2022 12:59 pm

Not only did Tatum have a horrible shooting game, but so did Grant Williams, another 40% plus three point shooter. But the Celtics have 5 other guys who can make them at a good clip (Horford, Smart, White, Pritchard, Theis) so ganging up on Tatum isn't going to work. It worked for some teams earlier in the year, but Tatum has learned to trust his teammates and he will pass out of the double and triple teams every time.

The Celtics have a balanced offense and they can score at all three levels. This will be an ongoing problem for the rest of the league.
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Post#93 » by 50yrceltsfan » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:02 pm

oldshoolballer wrote:This is how I see this guys
Match up Advantage

Tatum Wiggins Celtics
Smart Curry Warriors
Horford Green Celtics
Williams Looney Celtics
Brown Thompson Celtics
White Poole Celtics
Williams Igadoula Warriors
Pritchard Porter Even
Celtics are pretty loaded.

Exactly.
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Post#94 » by SpreeS » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:19 pm

It could be analogy of Finals CHI-LAL in 1991
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Post#95 » by myronbolitar » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:19 pm

QingJames wrote:
myronbolitar wrote:
QingJames wrote:2022 Celtics and 2019 Raptors

Tatum < Leonard
Brown > Siakam
Smart = Lowry
White = FVV
Horford > Gasol
Williams < Ibaka

Similar team composition running similar defensive schemes. Golden State is totally outmatched when they don’t get to play teams missing their best or top 2/3 players and have to play actual elite defensive teams. Warriors cannot handle big star wings or going against a team with no negative defenders in the lineup.

Curry, Klay and Dray just ain’t it. Especially Dray, he was getting cooked on defense three years ago in the finals and he was horrible last night. Those 3 got thoroughly outplayed in the finals without Durant in 2019, and they are getting thoroughly outplayed in these finals without Durant.


Agree with all this, except you thinking that Ibaka was better than Rob Williams. On the other hand, I think you can definitely make a case that Lowry was better than Smart is now, as good as Smart is.

Yeah I can see the arguments for both those points. Rob just has looked kinda bad since the second half of the Miami series, and that continued tonight. Obviously when he’s on he’s a better defender than Ibaka was and it isn’t close, but Ibaka was also much more versatile offensively.

With Lowry and Smart, I do think Lowry was clearly the superior offensive player but Smart is the superior defender. So it’s a wash to me. But yeah, I wouldn’t argue if you feel differently on those two aspects


Yeah, I hear you. Rob is playing hurt (which many Celtics fans have said isn't getting a lot of play in the media, for whatever reason) and hasn't been right for a while. The Celtics really kicked things up a notch offensively when he was at full strength late in the season. He's still mostly effective out there, but a ways off of his play at full strength.
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Post#96 » by Impuniti » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:31 pm

QingJames wrote:2022 Celtics and 2019 Raptors

Tatum < Leonard
Brown > Siakam
Smart = Lowry
White = FVV
Horford > Gasol
Williams < Ibaka

Similar team composition running similar defensive schemes. Golden State is totally outmatched when they don’t get to play teams missing their best or top 2/3 players and have to play actual elite defensive teams. Warriors cannot handle big star wings or going against a team with no negative defenders in the lineup.

Curry, Klay and Dray just ain’t it. Especially Dray, he was getting cooked on defense three years ago in the finals and he was horrible last night. Those 3 got thoroughly outplayed in the finals without Durant in 2019, and they are getting thoroughly outplayed in these finals without Durant.

Is there a worse fanbase that always tries to insert themselves into a conversation in the most pathetic way possible? You beat the most injury prone team in NBA finals history, pipe down. :lol:
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Post#97 » by Slax » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:31 pm

I know there's been a lot of discussion of all the particulars of how the Celtics won and how it won't happen that way again, all of which is true. But the core takeaway of this game for me - more important than scrutinizing exactly how it happened - is that the Celtics went on the road against a more experienced, healthier, better rested team in the NBA finals, weathered what would normally be a knockout punch from Curry in the first quarter, got down by double digits late, then punched their opponent in the face and stole one that the Warriors absolutely should have expected to win in order to take this series. The focus on whether or not the individual performances are sustainable is misplaced. The Celtics only need to win 4 of 7, and they showed they are resilient and competitive and talented enough that they will not be overmatched.
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Post#98 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:32 pm

People seem confident on a celtics sweep after 1 game.
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Post#99 » by QingJames » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:37 pm

Impuniti wrote:
QingJames wrote:2022 Celtics and 2019 Raptors

Tatum < Leonard
Brown > Siakam
Smart = Lowry
White = FVV
Horford > Gasol
Williams < Ibaka

Similar team composition running similar defensive schemes. Golden State is totally outmatched when they don’t get to play teams missing their best or top 2/3 players and have to play actual elite defensive teams. Warriors cannot handle big star wings or going against a team with no negative defenders in the lineup.

Curry, Klay and Dray just ain’t it. Especially Dray, he was getting cooked on defense three years ago in the finals and he was horrible last night. Those 3 got thoroughly outplayed in the finals without Durant in 2019, and they are getting thoroughly outplayed in these finals without Durant.

Is there a worse fanbase that always tries to insert themselves into a conversation in the most pathetic way possible? You beat the most injury prone team in NBA finals history, pipe down. :lol:


It's about making it clear to GSW fans that you guys are fuarked and are losing this finals. Your Durantless Warriors are completely outmatched by a team that is similarly composed to a team that completely outmatched your Durantless Warriors three years ago.

The point isn't about my Raptors. It's about how your Warriors have been solved. The blueprint is out there now and it's time to finally put this meme dynasty into the dirt where it belongs.
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Post#100 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 3, 2022 1:39 pm

WestGOAT wrote:Can anyone give a rundown why GSW only scored 16 points in the 4th quarter?

Boston’s defense was absolutely suffocating.


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