Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors

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4 Questions

Poll ended at Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:37 am

Q1: Keep the GM
109
24%
Q1: Fire the GM
5
1%
Q2: Keep the coach
108
24%
Q2: Fire the coach
5
1%
Q3: Performed better than expected
99
22%
Q3: Performed as expected
16
4%
Q3: Performed worse than expected
6
1%
Q4: Rising Team
67
15%
Q4: Treadmill Team
31
7%
Q4: Waning Team
11
2%
 
Total votes: 457

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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#81 » by watch1958 » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:35 pm

anotherhomer wrote:
megarover wrote:
Godymas wrote:
Right but they had Steph Curry last year and were not a contender. Ultimately I don't believe that the Warriors trade their young guys at all. If they truly want to be the Spurs, then you have to do what the Spurs did and transition with new guys while finding solid vets to help the roster contend. I'm talking about how the Spurs transitioned seamlessly to Kawhi Leonard then got LMA and Pau Gasol to make them a contender as Duncan aged out.

I don't believe they would ever trade Kuminga, I also don't 100% think they would trade Wiseman but he seems like the most likely guy to go. If a guy like..Damian Lillard wanted to return to the Bay and contend they could very well package Wiseman and Moody but then the question becomes...do you trade Wiggins or Klay? In all honesty, and this kind of hurts to say, you trade and try and upgrade with Klay.



No way they trade for Dame with Curry and Poole on the roster. Would be redundant with 3 sharpshooting guards who arent great defenders.


that's why last year, there were a lot of smoke screens about Pascal Siakam....he would had been amazing on GSW

in hindsight, GSW should had offered, Draymond Green, Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody and FRP for Pascal
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They might have had a realistic chance to go deep in the playoffs if they had made that deal!
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#82 » by Pablo Escobar » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:47 am

Myles Turner on the Warriors would be filthy :o
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#83 » by azwfan » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:36 am

Pablo Escobar wrote:Myles Turner on the Warriors would be filthy :o

I want to like Myles Turner but he looked so bad when we played them, I think I'm off that train. I want to stick with Loonojuwan.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#84 » by Impuniti » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:04 am

Godymas wrote:
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Godymas wrote:it's hard to predict what will be the future for GSW next season. Do they try and contend again or decide now is the time to really start putting the young guys in and getting them into more of a solid rotation? Next year will be a big test for Kerr and his ability as a coach as he's only had amazing teams to be the coach of so far except for the 2020 Warriors. How Kerr with a depleted staff handles integrating Wiseman/Kuminga/Moody and molding them into players. I'd expect Iguodala retires but maintains a position as part of Kerr's staff helping the young guys grow.


You have Steph Curry at his apex on your roster - you are a contender.

My assumption is they would trade their young pieces if a top-15 player that fit with Steph became available. That most likely wont be the case so they will try to improve in the margins.


Right but they had Steph Curry last year and were not a contender. Ultimately I don't believe that the Warriors trade their young guys at all. If they truly want to be the Spurs, then you have to do what the Spurs did and transition with new guys while finding solid vets to help the roster contend. I'm talking about how the Spurs transitioned seamlessly to Kawhi Leonard then got LMA and Pau Gasol to make them a contender as Duncan aged out.

I don't believe they would ever trade Kuminga, I also don't 100% think they would trade Wiseman but he seems like the most likely guy to go. If a guy like..Damian Lillard wanted to return to the Bay and contend they could very well package Wiseman and Moody but then the question becomes...do you trade Wiggins or Klay? In all honesty, and this kind of hurts to say, you trade and try and upgrade with Klay.

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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#85 » by Raonak » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:17 pm

All these trade ideas are bad.

GSW doesn't need more no-defense shooters.
And contrary to popular opinion, I think Loongod is the perfect center for them until wiseman can stay on the floor.
He is actually one of the best defensive centers in the league. He's not a flashy rim blocker, but he doesn't need to be because his defensive positioning, rebounding and boxing out is fantastic not to mention screening and passing on the offensive end.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#86 » by Bolts » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:56 am

I’m just curious what this board will look like when Curry passes LeBron in rings. It will be glorious.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#87 » by moderndarwin » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:19 am

Please no Myles Turner. His center of gravity is bad.

Yes please to Nerlens Noel, Onyeka Okongwu, Chris Boucher, Pascal Siakam, Kelly Olynyk, Wendell Carter, Thomas Bryant, Richaun Holmes.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#88 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:28 am

What do people think Otto Porter Jr. can get in free agency and what would GS pay to keep him? They don't have bird rights, so they'd have to use the actual (taxpayers) MLE to pay him more than the minimum.

Do people think he can get the full MLE somewhere?
Would he take the tax payers MLE even if the full MLE is offered to play for a contender?
Would GS match a taxpayers MLE offer or save that to use elsewhere and just give his minutes to Kuminga?
Would OPJ take the minimum to stay in GS over the taxpayers MLE with a different team?
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#89 » by xdrta+ » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:40 am

hugepatsfan wrote:What do people think Otto Porter Jr. can get in free agency and what would GS pay to keep him? They don't have bird rights, so they'd have to use the actual (taxpayers) MLE to pay him more than the minimum.

Do people think he can get the full MLE somewhere?
Would he take the tax payers MLE even if the full MLE is offered to play for a contender?
Would GS match a taxpayers MLE offer or save that to use elsewhere and just give his minutes to Kuminga?
Would OPJ take the minimum to stay in GS over the taxpayers MLE with a different team?


The Warriors will see if he wants to stay for the minimum. And the TPMLE? They're not adding $35-40 million to their tax bill for a 20 minute a game player. Any GM who signs him better consider his injury history. The Warriors handled him with kid gloves and he still missed 25% of the season plus some playoff games.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#90 » by JN61 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:57 am

They should explore ways to trade Green. He is total disaster over half of the games and it's just going to get worse. Just get rid of that salary and get some decent defensive center in return who can actually score.
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Post#91 » by TravisScott55 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:21 pm

I'm really happy for Andrew Wiggins. Maybe never lived up to his hype, but to turn his career around and become the 2nd best player on a title team is quite the redemptions story.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#92 » by Jerry Maine » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:54 pm

JN61 wrote:They should explore ways to trade Green. He is total disaster over half of the games and it's just going to get worse. Just get rid of that salary and get some decent defensive center in return who can actually score.


He's a required player, regardless of how little you understand his value
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#93 » by anotherhomer » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:38 pm

moderndarwin wrote:Please no Myles Turner. His center of gravity is bad.

Yes please to Nerlens Noel, Onyeka Okongwu, Chris Boucher, Pascal Siakam, Kelly Olynyk, Wendell Carter, Thomas Bryant, Richaun Holmes.


yes your team really wanted pascal

it wasn't a bad idea to try to buy low but raps wouldn't sell low
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#94 » by JN61 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:50 pm

Jerry Maine wrote:
JN61 wrote:They should explore ways to trade Green. He is total disaster over half of the games and it's just going to get worse. Just get rid of that salary and get some decent defensive center in return who can actually score.


He's a required player, regardless of how little you understand his value

And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#95 » by xdrta+ » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:03 pm

JN61 wrote:
Jerry Maine wrote:
JN61 wrote:They should explore ways to trade Green. He is total disaster over half of the games and it's just going to get worse. Just get rid of that salary and get some decent defensive center in return who can actually score.


He's a required player, regardless of how little you understand his value

And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.


What I think they should do is take advice from all the Warrior-haters out there with their brilliant ideas, because they obviously have the Warriors best interests at heart. Witness this post.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#96 » by Warriors Analyst » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:09 pm

xdrta+ wrote:
JN61 wrote:
Jerry Maine wrote:
He's a required player, regardless of how little you understand his value

And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.


What I think they should do is take advice from all the Warrior-haters out there with their brilliant ideas, because they obviously have the Warriors best interests at heart. Witness this post.


Must be hard to reconcile that narrative against Steph dragging Draymond's dead weight to a fourth chip.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#97 » by PizzaSteve » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:01 pm

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xdrta+ wrote:
JN61 wrote:And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.


What I think they should do is take advice from all the Warrior-haters out there with their brilliant ideas, because they obviously have the Warriors best interests at heart. Witness this post.


Must be hard to reconcile that narrative against Steph dragging Draymond's dead weight to a fourth chip.

If thats what it takes to motivate Steph to compete at his best, I'll take it. I would do things for a brother I wouldnt for a stranger.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#98 » by Clyde Frazier » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:12 pm

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I know the first take type shows are supposed to bait people into being angry for engagement. That said, I think he genuinely believes what he says in the video. Flat out mindbending **** and one of the worst sports takes I've ever heard.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#99 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:55 am

hugepatsfan wrote:What do people think Otto Porter Jr. can get in free agency and what would GS pay to keep him? They don't have bird rights, so they'd have to use the actual (taxpayers) MLE to pay him more than the minimum.

Do people think he can get the full MLE somewhere?
Would he take the tax payers MLE even if the full MLE is offered to play for a contender?
Would GS match a taxpayers MLE offer or save that to use elsewhere and just give his minutes to Kuminga?
Would OPJ take the minimum to stay in GS over the taxpayers MLE with a different team?


Warriors owners seem willing to pay big luxury tax. If they want to save a little money letting Porter walk away seems to be the obvious choice. Porter is valuable to the Warriors but Kuminga looks ready to play 25 minutes a game and those minutes would mostly come from Porter’s minutes.
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Re: Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors 

Post#100 » by rtiff68 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:56 am

JN61 wrote:
Jerry Maine wrote:
JN61 wrote:They should explore ways to trade Green. He is total disaster over half of the games and it's just going to get worse. Just get rid of that salary and get some decent defensive center in return who can actually score.


He's a required player, regardless of how little you understand his value

And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.


We all know how bad you think Steph is— you beat that drum constantly. If Draymond sucks too, then how did GSW just win the title?

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