Ongoing Discussion Regarding Dejounte Murray to Hawks (Murray/Collins swap?)

[Scalabrine]

I dont see how Dekauntae and Trae would co-exist. Both need high usage. Unless u try and turn Dejauntae into a Marcus Smart type

It will allow Trae to play off the ball a little more so he's harder to double, and more importantly, it gives the Hawks an elite defender that can help hide the worst defender in the league getting big minutes.

How about getting the Jazz involved too:

Hawks get Gobert, Murray, McDermott, Clarkson
Spurs get Gallo, Okongwu, 2 Firsts (from ATL)
Jazz get Capela, Collins, Huerter 1 First (from ATL)

Hawks
Gobert/Dieng
Hunter/McDermott
Bogdanovic/Griffin
Murray/Clarkson
Young/Murray

Jazz
Capela/Azuibuke
Collins/Gay/Hernangomez
Bogdanovic/O'Neal/Huerter
Mitchell/Huerter
Conley/Mitchell

Spurs
Poeltl/Okongwu/Z.Collins
Sochan/Gallo
K.Johnson/
Vassell/Branham
Primo?/Jones

[G R E Y]

It's like Jerami grant situation for the spurs. They are rebuilding and they think he won't be the best player for a championship level so they don't wanna pay him a lot going into the future yet this approach decreases his value hence San Antonio will end up having a late first for him just like what Detroit got for trading jerami grant.

I think Murray has more value than Grant.

1) He's a better player and a more coveted position.
2) He's probably the best contract in the entire league.

Not for long. Part of the issue is given our timeline and DJ's, should we be maxing him out? He will be eligible for a 5/$212.3M on his next contract per Noah Magaro-George.

If we're not a contending team or have not identified DJ as the star player on a contending team, is this the path for us to go on?

You can suddenly see why we've drafted guards and are seeking a ton of unprotected picks.

[TheNetsFan]

Spurs likely don't want to max Murray in 2 years, so they'll tank for a year like they did for Duncan. They're being proactive & finally rebuilding.

[Slim Charlez]

Hope we get OO if the reports of a trade coming are true, would make Poeltl expandable who I like but should probably be moved also. Don't really care much for Collins and doubt the Hawks include Hunter. Maybe Gallo could be moved down the line for a FRP as well.

[Jadoogar]

The only reason i see is the Spurs see Wembanyama as a generational prospect and want to fully bottom out next year. They have done one year tank in the past, it's how they got Duncan.

Problem is, the lottery odds have flattened. Even if they are the worst team in the league, they only have a 14% chance to get the top pick.

[Tor_Raps]

Omg... no Collins? Wtf are the Spurs doing over there.

something on a higher plane of thought than any of us can fathom, i assure you

Or theyve lost their minds since Duncan left the organization lol

Warning: stop trolling an entire organization which is not helpful to the discussion at all.

I don't remember what I wrote but it's fair to question what an organization is doing. These type of posts occur all the time when an organization makes questionable moves. The Spurs aren't above anyone else and I clearly didn't attack anyone in particular. But I'll still say my bad if it did offend anyone.

[Lalouie]

something on a higher plane of thought than any of us can fathom, i assure you

Or theyve lost their minds since Duncan left the organization lol

Warning: stop trolling an entire organization which is not helpful to the discussion at all.

I don't remember what I wrote but it's fair to question what an organization is doing. These type of posts occur all the time when an organization makes questionable moves. The Spurs aren't above anyone else and I clearly didn't attack anyone in particular. But I'll still say my bad if it did offend anyone.

i beg to disagree

any entity deserves respect if they've earned it. the spurs' modus is emulated around the league. one could say it is the equal of any sustained excellence since and including the 60's celts.

and more importantly it is the natural assumption to trust in their process, just as contrarily we question and even ridicule orgs and people who have a bad track record, ie minnie, sac, nyk, old clips, elgin as gm, rambis the advisor, kyrie, kd, and dolan.

so i say,,,,cut the spurs a break

[Tor_Raps]

Or theyve lost their minds since Duncan left the organization lol

Warning: stop trolling an entire organization which is not helpful to the discussion at all.

I don't remember what I wrote but it's fair to question what an organization is doing. These type of posts occur all the time when an organization makes questionable moves. The Spurs aren't above anyone else and I clearly didn't attack anyone in particular. But I'll still say my bad if it did offend anyone.

i beg to disagree

any entity deserves respect if they've earned it. the spurs' modus is emulated around the league. one could say it is the equal of any sustained excellence since and including the 60's celts.

and more importantly it is the natural assumption to trust in their process, just as contrarily we question and even ridicule orgs and people who have a bad track record, ie minnie, sac, nyk, old clips, elgin as gm, rambis the advisor, kyrie, kd, and dolan.

so i say,,,,cut the spurs a break

I think that excellence was a result of them having generational talent on and off the court. David Robinson and Tim Duncan are two of the best players and most selfless people of all time.

When your best players are like that, everyone else falls in line. It's no surprise that as soon as Duncan left, the cracks started to appear. First with Kawhi and then with Aldridge.

I believe they're just another organization now until they get themselves that next generational talent on and off the court. This is probably why they're heavily tanking for the next draft as Tony Parker has already helped mold him lol.

P.S. Tim Duncan's my favourite player of all time and I have repped the Spurs during his entire career lol.

[Lalouie]

I don't remember what I wrote but it's fair to question what an organization is doing. These type of posts occur all the time when an organization makes questionable moves. The Spurs aren't above anyone else and I clearly didn't attack anyone in particular. But I'll still say my bad if it did offend anyone.

i beg to disagree

any entity deserves respect if they've earned it. the spurs' modus is emulated around the league. one could say it is the equal of any sustained excellence since and including the 60's celts.

and more importantly it is the natural assumption to trust in their process, just as contrarily we question and even ridicule orgs and people who have a bad track record, ie minnie, sac, nyk, old clips, elgin as gm, rambis the advisor, kyrie, kd, and dolan.

so i say,,,,cut the spurs a break

I think that excellence was a result of them having generational talent on and off the court. David Robinson and Tim Duncan are two of the best players and most selfless people of all time.

When your best players are like that, everyone else falls in line. It's no surprise that as soon as Duncan left, the cracks started to appear. First with Kawhi and then with Aldridge.

I believe they're just another organization now until they get themselves that next generational talent on and off the court. This is probably why they're heavily tanking for the next draft as Tony Parker has already helped mold him lol.

P.S. Tim Duncan's my favourite player of all time and I have repped the Spurs during his entire career lol.

whatever. . the important thing is they definesd TWO DECADES.
they drafted and followed it up. the hardest thing, i hear, is to keep going and stay on top

[DoctorX]

I don't remember what I wrote but it's fair to question what an organization is doing. These type of posts occur all the time when an organization makes questionable moves. The Spurs aren't above anyone else and I clearly didn't attack anyone in particular. But I'll still say my bad if it did offend anyone.

i beg to disagree

any entity deserves respect if they've earned it. the spurs' modus is emulated around the league. one could say it is the equal of any sustained excellence since and including the 60's celts.

and more importantly it is the natural assumption to trust in their process, just as contrarily we question and even ridicule orgs and people who have a bad track record, ie minnie, sac, nyk, old clips, elgin as gm, rambis the advisor, kyrie, kd, and dolan.

so i say,,,,cut the spurs a break

I think that excellence was a result of them having generational talent on and off the court. David Robinson and Tim Duncan are two of the best players and most selfless people of all time.

When your best players are like that, everyone else falls in line. It's no surprise that as soon as Duncan left, the cracks started to appear. First with Kawhi and then with Aldridge.

I believe they're just another organization now until they get themselves that next generational talent on and off the court. This is probably why they're heavily tanking for the next draft as Tony Parker has already helped mold him lol.

P.S. Tim Duncan's my favourite player of all time and I have repped the Spurs during his entire career lol.

I thought the warning you got was weird and as a Spurs fan I wasn't offended. I have said it for a while the Spurs lucked out with Robinson and then Duncan. This is a player's league and I'm not a believer in "culture" but more, so you needed to have great talent with character to sustain being a contender for long periods of time and the Spurs had that with Duncan. Once he left it fell apart immediately.

[sisibilio]

whatever. . the important thing is they definesd TWO DECADES.
they drafted and followed it up. the hardest thing, i hear, is to keep going and stay on top

Past success doesn't ensure future success.
They're not a mess like other franchises but there's always a great deal of chance involved. They got lucky at the right time, ping pong balls fall differently in 1997 and with the same FO, coaches and all they might not have a single championship yet.
But hey, they made the best out their luck (not only with Duncan, Manu was picked 57th, at that point everything is a crapshoot) which is all you can ask for