Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons?

WargamesX · Post #81 » by **WargamesX** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 12:19 am

I am going to be homer and say RJ, Grimes, IQ, and Obi are decent prospect who might develop into really good players, so it’s not clear who will have the better future. The Pistons drafted some great prospects, but we can’t call the future.

cgf · Post #82 » by **cgf** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 12:25 am

bstein14 wrote:22-23 season: Knicks are for sure better
23-24 season: It's likely close between the two teams each winning in the mid 40s.
24-25 season: Pistons are most likely better.

Depends on what our FO does next. If they blow all of their ammo on Mitchell then that’s one thing, if they wait for a better fit or get Mitchell while keeping enough ammo to eventually swap him or Brunson for a top 10-15 guy? Then that’s another story.

JujitsuFlip · Post #83 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 1:58 am

bstein14 wrote:22-23 season: Knicks are for sure better
23-24 season: It's likely close between the two teams each winning in the mid 40s.
24-25 season: Pistons are most likely better.

It'll really depend if Knicks can get Mitchell and how the Pistons spend their potential $80 million in cap space in the summer of 2023.

DrCoach · Post #84 » by **DrCoach** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 2:17 am

Detroit that lost their best player in Grant and didnt make playoffs?

That detroit?

MotownMadness · Post #85 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 3:23 am

DrCoach wrote:Detroit that lost their best player in Grant and didnt make playoffs?

That detroit?

Then i guess it wasn't that big of a loss

RHODEY · Post #86 » by **RHODEY** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 3:30 am

bstein14 wrote:22-23 season: Knicks are for sure better
23-24 season: It's likely close between the two teams each winning in the mid 40s.
24-25 season: Pistons are most likely better.

Right so the Pistons improve exponentially while the Knicks do not , even though the team has young improving core, and tons of draft capitol for trades. :crazy:

chrbal · Post #87 » by **chrbal** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 3:31 am

DrCoach wrote:Detroit that lost their best player in Grant and didnt make playoffs?

That detroit?

Cades still a Piston

RHODEY · Post #88 » by **RHODEY** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 3:38 am

chrbal wrote:
DrCoach wrote:Detroit that lost their best player in Grant and didnt make playoffs?

That detroit?

Cades still a Piston

and?

RHODEY · Post #89 » by **RHODEY** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 3:39 am

WargamesX wrote:I am going to be homer and say RJ, Grimes, IQ, and Obi are decent prospect who might develop into really good players, so it’s not clear who will have the better future. The Pistons drafted some great prospects, but we can’t call the future.

Does that include Killian Hayes?

ShootersShoot · Post #90 » by **ShootersShoot** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 4:05 am

WargamesX wrote:I am going to be homer and say RJ, Grimes, IQ, and Obi are decent prospect who might develop into really good players, so it’s not clear who will have the better future. The Pistons drafted some great prospects, but we can’t call the future.

Not trying to be mean, but genuinely curious..when was the last time the knicks actually drafted and developed someone into a good/great player and was able to keep them on the knicks?

Does robinson count? Second rounder into a starter, but I wouldnt consider him above average at this point.
RJ? He still has all star potential but thats expected out of a top pick
Obi - They didnt do him any favors by signing and committing long term to randle. I honestly feel he would be waaay ahead in development at this point if it werent for randle on the team. Was that playoff berth worth it? How will it affect his development moving forward?

Ruma85 · Post #91 » by **Ruma85** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 4:19 am

ShootersShoot wrote:
WargamesX wrote:I am going to be homer and say RJ, Grimes, IQ, and Obi are decent prospect who might develop into really good players, so it’s not clear who will have the better future. The Pistons drafted some great prospects, but we can’t call the future.

Not trying to be mean, but genuinely curious..when was the last time the knicks actually drafted and developed someone into a good/great player and was able to keep them on the knicks?

Does robinson count? Second rounder into a starter, but I wouldnt consider him above average at this point.
RJ? He still has all star potential but thats expected out of a top pick
Obi - They didnt do him any favors by signing and committing long term to randle. I honestly feel he would be waaay ahead in development at this point if it werent for randle on the team. Was that playoff berth worth it? How will it affect his development moving forward?

All your questions will be answered this upcoming season.

iLLmatic860 · Post #92 » by **iLLmatic860** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 5:46 am

ShootersShoot wrote:
WargamesX wrote:I am going to be homer and say RJ, Grimes, IQ, and Obi are decent prospect who might develop into really good players, so it’s not clear who will have the better future. The Pistons drafted some great prospects, but we can’t call the future.

Not trying to be mean, but genuinely curious..when was the last time the knicks actually drafted and developed someone into a good/great player and was able to keep them on the knicks?

Does robinson count? Second rounder into a starter, but I wouldnt consider him above average at this point.
RJ? He still has all star potential but thats expected out of a top pick
Obi - They didnt do him any favors by signing and committing long term to randle. I honestly feel he would be waaay ahead in development at this point if it werent for randle on the team. Was that playoff berth worth it? How will it affect his development moving forward?

Thibs is stubborn man but Knicks have been drafting decent lately. The problem is we had so many vets, and Thibs catered to them. I think getting rid of guys like Noel, Burks and Taj will help the young guys. Now Thibs has no choice, he has to play them

Word around town is that Randle is being shopped. Thatll be great for Obi especially if we trade for Dmitch. Obi doesn’t fit Utahs timeline so he is here to stay

Sark · Post #93 » by **Sark** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 7:09 am

ShootersShoot wrote:
WargamesX wrote:I am going to be homer and say RJ, Grimes, IQ, and Obi are decent prospect who might develop into really good players, so it’s not clear who will have the better future. The Pistons drafted some great prospects, but we can’t call the future.

Not trying to be mean, but genuinely curious..when was the last time the knicks actually drafted and developed someone into a good/great player and was able to keep them on the knicks?

Does robinson count? Second rounder into a starter, but I wouldnt consider him above average at this point.
RJ? He still has all star potential but thats expected out of a top pick
Obi - They didnt do him any favors by signing and committing long term to randle. I honestly feel he would be waaay ahead in development at this point if it werent for randle on the team. Was that playoff berth worth it? How will it affect his development moving forward?

Pat Ewing.

In the Dolan era, the Knicks haven't developed a single star that they drafted. Probably the biggest reason that they have the worst record in the NBA since he took over.

DaGawd · Post #94 » by **DaGawd** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 11:31 am

Sark wrote:
ShootersShoot wrote:
WargamesX wrote:I am going to be homer and say RJ, Grimes, IQ, and Obi are decent prospect who might develop into really good players, so it’s not clear who will have the better future. The Pistons drafted some great prospects, but we can’t call the future.

Not trying to be mean, but genuinely curious..when was the last time the knicks actually drafted and developed someone into a good/great player and was able to keep them on the knicks?

Does robinson count? Second rounder into a starter, but I wouldnt consider him above average at this point.
RJ? He still has all star potential but thats expected out of a top pick
Obi - They didnt do him any favors by signing and committing long term to randle. I honestly feel he would be waaay ahead in development at this point if it werent for randle on the team. Was that playoff berth worth it? How will it affect his development moving forward?

Pat Ewing.

In the Dolan era, the Knicks haven't developed a single star that they drafted. Probably the biggest reason that they have the worst record in the NBA since he took over.

i think porzingis was on his way before blowing out his acl. he had real potential imo

Johnny Bball · Post #95 » by **Johnny Bball** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 11:53 am

It's a weird flex, but yes, yes they are, by a fair bit next season.

cgf · Post #96 » by **cgf** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 11:55 am

Johnny Bball wrote:It's a weird flex, but yes, yes they are, by a fair bit next season.

...this thread was started by a Pistons fan trying to flex on the Knicks...

Moses ShamMoses · Post #97 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 12:28 pm

Knicks not in a bad spot going forward with the draft arsenal. Seems like most expect Cade to eventually become a superstar. I don't know about that yet, but I'd love for that to be true as a Pistons fan.

HeartBreakKid · Post #98 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 12:45 pm

The Knicks are better than the Pistons are now, unless I am missing something the Pistons did this off season. I'm not sure how that is debatable? The Knicks won way more games and signed Brunson.

If we mean who has a better core for the future then it is the Pistons. They have much better prospects. Ivy, Stewart, Cade and a lot of other young guys. Their upside is much better despite the Knicks having a young roster as well.

Laimbeer · Post #99 » by **Laimbeer** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 2:19 pm

Knicks are clearly better now. I like their position and young players more than most. Long term probably depends on just how good Cade is.

Post #100 » by **Harry Garris** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 2:23 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:RJ Barrett is hella overrated. thats all.

After an offseason with everyone dumping on him and saying he sucks? Yeah, I don't think so.

In order to be overrated there has to be a large number of people saying that a player is better than he actually is. This offseason has just been open season on RJ ever since he was brought up in Mitchell trade rumors.