taikibansei wrote:cgf wrote:taikibansei wrote: 
It's almost like Danny Ainge is on record saying that he's not taking back starting talent--so we're not including Randle (
) or RJ (
) in such a trade. Not sure why we'd include RJ regardless--he'd be one of the few starters on that roster with the physical tools to play defense (not that he's a defensive stopper by any means).
What are you, Mitchell's agent? When did he become a top-10 player in the NBA? Who of the following does he knock out?
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo
2. Nikola Jokic
3. Stephen Curry
4. Luka Doncic
5. Joel Embiid
6. Kevin Durant
7. LeBron James
8. Jayson Tatum
9. Jimmy Butler
10. James Harden
11. Kawhi Leonard/Anthony Davis (if healthy)
How about we sig-bet on Utah's record if they keep Mitchell? I say they win under 40 even with this "tier 1" talent. Will you bet?
*sigh* Re-read my posts, and not just the snippets you’ve misunderstood.
I was talking about a future trade that we would make after acquiring Mitchell. One where we use Mitchell or Brunson + Randle or Toppin + a boatload of picks to get a true tier 1 star.
At no point did I call Mitchell himself a tier 1 star.
Wait, so "the plan" is to spend most (6+ frps) of our assets now to get a Tier 2 star who doesn't fit with our roster, suck horribly and fail next season (exposing all our players and gutting their trade value even further), then somehow "trade Mitchell or Brunson" (whose trade values we've just undermined) "+ Randle" (negative-to-neutral value on that contract) +
no frps (as we gave them all away for Mitchell
) for "a true Tier 1 star"? Like, wtf?
Not at all, I must still not being clear enough because that's definitely not what I was suggesting. The plan is to add a young tier 2 star using some...not most...of our assets but only if we can keep our kids & still have enough ammo to eventually flip that tier 2 star (or Brunson if he takes a big step) + Randle (if he bounces back enough to rebuild his value) or Toppin + our remaining draft capital for a tier 1 star; since those often require a tier 2 star to get (see Kawhi, or Durant this summer).
Breaking it down it's, phase 1...and I'd wait until draft day 2023 to start phase 1:
Prospect (Quickley) + Fournier + Rose + 2023 NYK FRP + 2025 NYK FRP + DAL FRP + DET FRP + WAS FRP
for
best young tier 2 star available (Mitchell)
And that's the most we could give up while leaving us with enough for phase 2...but at the price or lower, until phase 2 became an option, we'd have a solid rotation + depth...and our picks in 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030 to trade in phase 2, since the Milwaukee pick in 2025 is almost guaranteed to convey to us.
Brunson | Mitchell
Mitchell | Grimes | Barrett
Barrett | Reddish
Randle | Toppin
Robinson | Hartenstein | Randle
+
McBride (PG), Hunt (F), Sims (C)
That team has a 2nd round ceiling but Randle could bounce back enough to become an asset again in that time, and/or our kids could take big strides to boost their trade-value, so that when a Luka or healthy-Zion hit the trade market we'd be in position for phase 2:
Mitchell or Brunson
Toppin or Randle
NYK 2024, 2026, 2028 & 2030 FRPs
Swaps
for
Tier 1 star
With a quality guard (Brunson or Mitchell), Barrett, a good starting 4 (Randle or Toppin), Grimes, McBride, our rim protectors (Mitch / Hart / Sims), Reddish and/or Hunt, and any MLE signings; to pair with Luka / healthy-Zion / whomever, after the FO swung phase 2.
*INGRAM*ALLSTARSEASON*
