So how much longer til we admit Klay is cooked?

[ChartFiction]

^ I hope you are right but I'm betting you aren't.

Well if nothing else, the stats say the Starting Lineup is elite. And the Offense is elite.

The defense is sinking the Warriors job and that isn't Klay's job and has never been a Small Guard's job.

That's on Draymond.

So even if it isn't right 3-4 months from now (which it would be odd he was able to do it last playoffs and gets worse a year removed from injury) that's not really the issue for the Warriors regardless.

Maybe y'all with throw a couple firsts and find a Clint Capela or something at the trade deadline to throw in the rotation so you can always have one of him and Looney out there if Draymond isn't able to make up for everyone as apart of the "death lineup" anymore (and Wiseman doesn't pan out) and just take a slightly different approach by upgrading the Center rotation as the checkmate for depth.

It is elite because Steph is currently scoring 32.8 ppg on 70.1% TS. Which no one has ever come close to before. The closest was Steph in 2016 with 30.1 ppg on 66.9% TS. That season the Warriors won 73 games and Steph won unanimous MVP.

If Klay was hitting even league average efficiency they would be a good team despite any other issue with defense or the bench. This is just a statistical fact. Plus misses help with fast break opportunities for the opposing team so their defense would improve if he bricked less too.

[floppymoose]

Plus misses help with fast break opportunities for the opposing team so their defense would improve if he bricked less too.

A lot of folks forget that point. Dirk was a plus defender in his best season. It's not because he had strong defensive skills. It's because the opponents were always taking the ball out of the basket when he was on the court.

[Ito]

Got to draft him on my fantasy team thought I got a steal but he’s puttin the lowest points from my squad

[manlisten]

The Warriors lost a game to Detroit when Klay sat and both Steph and Poole went for 30+. I don't know if fixing all their issues is as simple as benching him.

[celticfan42487]

^ I hope you are right but I'm betting you aren't.

Well if nothing else, the stats say the Starting Lineup is elite. And the Offense is elite.

The defense is sinking the Warriors job and that isn't Klay's job and has never been a Small Guard's job.

That's on Draymond.

So even if it isn't right 3-4 months from now (which it would be odd he was able to do it last playoffs and gets worse a year removed from injury) that's not really the issue for the Warriors regardless.

Maybe y'all with throw a couple firsts and find a Clint Capela or something at the trade deadline to throw in the rotation so you can always have one of him and Looney out there if Draymond isn't able to make up for everyone as apart of the "death lineup" anymore (and Wiseman doesn't pan out) and just take a slightly different approach by upgrading the Center rotation as the checkmate for depth.

It is elite because Steph is currently scoring 32.8 ppg on 70.1% TS. Which no one has ever come close to before. The closest was Steph in 2016 with 30.1 ppg on 66.9% TS. That season the Warriors won 73 games and Steph won unanimous MVP.

If Klay was hitting even league average efficiency they would be a good team despite any other issue with defense or the bench. This is just a statistical fact. Plus misses help with fast break opportunities for the opposing team so their defense would improve if he bricked less too.

So you're suggesting if Klay played like he did last year in the playoffs things would be okay and that's a "statistical fact"?

Sounds like this is a non issue then and he's wisely using the regular season to find out the new limits of his body.

There's no other game time to play in, and he was able to play within these confines en route to a championship pretty easily in the playoffs 4 months ago.

That said, nothing he does it going to fix the Warriors defense. Look at the #2 defense after the Warriors last year in the Celtics. They have the DPOY at SG/PG fully healthy but without Robert Williams they are also ranked bottom 5 in defense until like yesterday.

Guards just don't matter without elite defensive bigs. It's like going parachuting without a parachute, it's going to be hard to succeed.

[CobraCommander]

Ben Simmons and Russell Westbrook have better FG% and eFG% than Klay this season.

Klay isn’t cooked- he is still recovering-

Klay played ball every damn day for a decade plus then couldn’t run ball for nearly years… it’s gonna take him some time to get back to being a reasonably good player. I don’t think the Warriors can afford to wait for him. But someone gonna get a good wing on the cheap next year and be better for it

Even if it's true and i'm on the camp that belives that to be true - he can recover from the bench just as well

Keep training, keep playing
It's not like some magic whereas if he starts and plays 30 mins he can recover and if he plays 20 from the bench that he can't

If his ego can't handle it then shucks
At this rate the Warriors his 'recovery' is going to cost the Dubs a playoff berth..

Meaning by the time he 'recovers' theyll be 2 far down the standings and that's IF he recovers.

Klay starting rn is to the detriment of the team
The Dubs were elite last season b4 he came back, Kerr needs to stop playing games and bench him.
If that means they need another PG type, ball handler and playmaker in a pinch - they can add one via a small trade or a vet min \ g-league signing etc



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100% agree -

Right now he is playing too many minutes and hurting the team. They should be playing to win first and working him in and working around him, hoping by playoffs he is better.

He is looking bad on Both ends- and missing shots- it’s too soon for him to be full throttle- but they paid pool and Wiggins so he shouldn’t have to.

[Onlytimewilltel]

Klay isn’t cooked- he is still recovering-

Klay played ball every damn day for a decade plus then couldn’t run ball for nearly years… it’s gonna take him some time to get back to being a reasonably good player. I don’t think the Warriors can afford to wait for him. But someone gonna get a good wing on the cheap next year and be better for it

What are you talking about? Klay is under contract still through next year, how is someone gonna get him on yhe cheap next year? Is he getting cut?

Trade and extension

Even if you do that, he’s still making what he is schedule to make next year… not “cheap” , perhaps you thought his contract is up at the end of the year

[Antinomy]

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[Johnny Bball]

He's 32. This is way short sighted

[babyjax13]

I think he might do better in a bench role where he plays less minutes for a while. Let him get reps against worse defenders, and give Jordan Poole an increased and stable role. If Klay starts to return to normal, then you revisit that decision, or start him at small forward, Wiggins at power forward, and Green at center.

[BK_2020]

His current contract might be the worst contract ever. Out for half of it and then suck for the other half.

[165bows]

He's 32. This is way short sighted

Fair to say he will be at best up and down. But he came out of nowhere (ahem) to be a total difference maker in the back half of the finals.

[Jay_Sizzle]

Kerr was talking after the Suns game and was talking about how bad their defense was been. He talked about how all of the bad three point attempts (and subsequent long rebounds) is killing them. In listening, it kind of felt like he was speaking at Klay. Lots of fans want Poole to start over Klay.

[PhilBlackson]

Not sure tbh, he has had some REALLY bad injuries that a lot of players never really return to the level they once were and it's not like Klay was really athletic to begin with. I have a TON of respect for what a warrior (no pun intended) he's been to battle back but he's looking like Hayward has been since he returned and not quite themselves anymore. Hope to be wrong though..

[Exp0sed]

Not sure tbh, he has had some REALLY bad injuries that a lot of players never really return to the level they once were and it's not like Klay was really athletic to begin with. I have a TON of respect for what a warrior (no pun intended) he's been to battle back but he's looking like Hayward has been since he returned and not quite themselves anymore. Hope to be wrong though..

He might not get his athleticism back but a shooter as good as he is..with so many reps under his belt..doesnt forget how to shoot



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[whocurrz]

He’s been terrible but I think it’s very mental. Not poor confidence but poor approach. He’s trying to shoot him self into rhythm by taking shots that he was hitting in 2019 pre-injury. In the 2019 finals when he got hurt he was probably playing the best ball Of his life. Against the Raptors he was playing an elite a multi level game like he hadn’t before in the playoffs. He was keeping the series close despite the massive talent advantage the Raps had with no KD in the picture.

Klay wants to pick up from there. But right now he needs Take some steps back and treat himself as the guy that unlocked that player. Be a 3 point guy who can use that threat to open up other parts of his game. The post up game is good when in rhythm but to be used after creating panic with the catch and shoot game. As a great off ball shooter, one thing he should take from Steph ( and I don’t know why so few players utilize this move) is the draw the defensive attention, dump a pass and sprint to the corner for a catch and shoot 3. But just like last year when he struggled after coming back, Kerr is gonna let him use this time to hopefully find his game, because if he does and gets hot he can swing a pivotal game or 2 in a playoff series.

[hippesthippo]

Plus misses help with fast break opportunities for the opposing team so their defense would improve if he bricked less too.

A lot of folks forget that point. Dirk was a plus defender in his best season. It's not because he had strong defensive skills. It's because the opponents were always taking the ball out of the basket when he was on the court.

Same reason Jokic always ends up near the top of defensive impact ratings.

[MrGoat]

Technically it's Curry that is cooked. Klay is what is can be used to make a bowl to put the Curry in

[og15]

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Very makeable shots for him historically, so it's not really surprising. People didn't expect him to just drastically change his shot selection 13 games into a season, did they? He still shot 43/39 last season after being off for two years and similarly 43/39 through a 22 game championship run, he's certainly not going to decide 13 games in that he should start taking different shots.

[DelAbbot]

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