NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

csh 19792001 · Post #81 » by **csh 19792001** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:37 pm

BelgradeNugget wrote:Because they are afraid once they put Jokic on top they will not be able to move him any more. Lessons from the past.
I'm joking Giannis, Tatum, Morant, Doncic, Embiid, Mitchell are all worthy candidates.

They're all worthy candidates, but as of today? Who has been more valuable the Jokic?

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Post #82 » by **bisme37** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 5:12 pm

Dang Jokic is killing the poll! I'm not surprised he's winning but I'm a little surprised he's dominating to this degree. You go, Nikola.

As another thought the thread here has become a Jokic-Embiid comparison thread instead of an MVP discussion thread. I'm not trying to tell people what to talk about lol but really this would make more sense in another thread if we just want to argue about 2 players. In fact we actually have a Player Comparison board for such things...

Mick Dundee · Post #83 » by **Mick Dundee** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:20 pm

The race for the MVP is a competition where everyone else is the favorite and Jokic in the end always wins.

AleksandarN · Post #84 » by **AleksandarN** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:22 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Decipher wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Haha I hear you.

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It's crazy to me

Literally the only thing that you can criticize LeBron about is not winning more titles but he's been the best player for nearly 20 years

It's a team game

He should have a minimum of 10 mvps
Definitely been jipped of 3 or 4.

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Jipped? You are better than that then to use a that type of terminology.

Cubbies2120 · Post #85 » by **Cubbies2120** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:51 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Lol at the top post making a call to advanced stats heads.

Based on current performance, here is my top 5.

1. Embiid - Leading league in scoring. After starting the season 1-3, Sixers have gone 18-9. Sixers on a 7 game win streak, and just had a 20 point comeback against the clippers. Embiid has missed a total of 8 games. Big if, for him to stay healthy, can't miss more than 3 more games for the ROS, which seems quite hard, but we shall see. At this point, he's my number 1.
2. Giannis - Slightly worse on offense, equal or better on defense. Bucks are a top 2 team, but they have been middling the last month or so. People keep talking about Embiid's missed games, but Giannis has already misssed 6.
3. Tatum - Started the season hot, but fell back. Celtics are 4-6 in the last 10.
4. Durant - Been very impressive this season. Putting up MVP numbers, and has the Nets on an 8 game win streak. However he is injury prone, and so is Kyrie and Ben. Can they stay healthy the rest of the season?
5. Jokic - Best advanced stats, PER not as good as last year, but creeping up there. Tied for 1st in the west. An MVP outsider IMO, as he's not won a ring, and no 3 time MVP has ever not won a ring, let alone made the NBA finals.
6. Doncic - Mavs are not good, their roster might be worse than the Nuggets. Similar record to what the Nuggets had last year, but they are currently sitting at 8th. Also, advanced stats are very good, but not Jokic level, who was at an all time high last year.

Denver is not “tied for first”, they are first. If season ended today they’d be #1 in the West because they beat the Grizzlies in h2h.

Embiid leads in PPG but is hundreds of points behind the scoring leaders because he, again, cannot stay on the court. If he misses 3 more games, count him out of any MVP discussions. Once in 44 years has an MVP missed more than 10 games (11 by Iverson). Embiid would have to be having an ALL time season like Jokic last year to be able to make up for missed games, and he’s not.

ForeverTFC · Post #86 » by **ForeverTFC** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:58 pm

One page in and immediately ruined by the usual suspect...

Anyways, does anyone think Durant has a realistic shot of winning it? Or will there be enough journalists out there that would refuse to vote for him due to what happened in the summer?

Nets are 0.5 games out of 3rd and probably have the assets to take a swing at an impact player by the deadline.

Wolfgang630 · Post #87 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 7:35 pm

Durant should be up there for sure

GeorgeSears · Post #88 » by **GeorgeSears** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 8:08 pm

Wolfgang630 wrote:Durant should be up there for sure

Just glanced at his numbers and he's shooting a career high FG% and avg. 30 ppg. He's definitely insinuated himself in the race.

GeorgeSears · Post #89 » by **GeorgeSears** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 8:10 pm

This MVP race is shaping up to be one of the most exciting in years. There's probably about 5 candidates right now: Tatum, Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Durant. It could go down to the wire depending on the team rankings.

ty 4191 · Post #90 » by **ty 4191** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:12 pm

GeorgeSears wrote:This MVP race is shaping up to be one of the most exciting in years. There's probably about 5 candidates right now: Tatum, Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Durant. It could go down to the wire depending on the team rankings.

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ForeverTFC · Post #91 » by **ForeverTFC** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:49 pm

ty 4191 wrote:
GeorgeSears wrote:This MVP race is shaping up to be one of the most exciting in years. There's probably about 5 candidates right now: Tatum, Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Durant. It could go down to the wire depending on the team rankings.

Best crop of international talent ever assembled. Hell, probably the best crop of talent ever assembled, period, in NBA history!

This is probably the one thing everyone that follows the NBA can agree on. The league has never had this level of talent. the top has gotten fatter and the the bar has raised substantially for the role players.

Andri · Post #92 » by **Andri** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:29 pm

GeorgeSears wrote:This MVP race is shaping up to be one of the most exciting in years. There's probably about 5 candidates right now: Tatum, Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Durant. It could go down to the wire depending on the team rankings.

How anybody can not include a guy averaging 33/8/9 with 61 TS% within the short list, it still blows my mind every time

eyeatoma · Post #93 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 11:14 pm

Andri wrote:
GeorgeSears wrote:This MVP race is shaping up to be one of the most exciting in years. There's probably about 5 candidates right now: Tatum, Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Durant. It could go down to the wire depending on the team rankings.

How anybody can not include a guy averaging 33/8/9 with 61 TS% within the short list, it still blows my mind every time

Yup Luka is part of that for sure. The person on the outside looking in is Jokic. He has to basically have the greatest season of all time, and have his team clearly in 1st to even have a semblance of winning. If any other candidate averages over 30 and has their team in 1st they'll win. That's what happens when you haven't even made the finals yet.

AussieCeltic · Post #94 » by **AussieCeltic** » Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:09 am

Tatum just reminding everyone that he’s still around.

39/6/5 with a quarter to go.

eyeatoma · Post #95 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:13 am

Imo Giannis has fallen down a rung with the MVP. Bucks are underwhelming.

Celtics have turned it around the last few games.

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Cubbies2120 · Post #96 » by **Cubbies2120** » Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:16 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Andri wrote:
GeorgeSears wrote:This MVP race is shaping up to be one of the most exciting in years. There's probably about 5 candidates right now: Tatum, Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Durant. It could go down to the wire depending on the team rankings.

How anybody can not include a guy averaging 33/8/9 with 61 TS% within the short list, it still blows my mind every time

Yup Luka is part of that for sure. The person on the outside looking in is Jokic. He has to basically have the greatest season of all time, and have his team clearly in 1st to even have a semblance of winning. If any other candidate averages over 30 and has their team in 1st they'll win. That's what happens when you haven't even made the finals yet.

Outside looking in yet the talking heads are all starting to talk about him :lol:

Just two weeks ago you were saying he has to have his team #1…

Guess what? He’s #1 and putting up better stats now than when you said he needs to finish #1

Just curious what’s changed since :lol:

“Haven’t even made the finals yet”

There’s a difference between running into the NBA champs and getting swept by the young Celtics.

There’s a difference between running into the NBA champs and getting beat by the Heat

There’s a difference between running into the #2 team in NBA, and getting kicked out of the playoffs by Trae Young.

They are NOT the same :lol:

Packbuckman · Post #97 » by **Packbuckman** » Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:17 am

eyeatoma wrote:Imo Giannis has fallen down a rung with the MVP. Bucks are underwhelming.

Celtics have turned it around the last few games.

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Well we are missing Middleton and Bud is an idiot at times starting Pat and Allen together is just stupid but Giannis has not played well either

Post #98 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:33 am

Packbuckman wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Imo Giannis has fallen down a rung with the MVP. Bucks are underwhelming.

Celtics have turned it around the last few games.

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Well we are missing Middleton and Bud is an idiot at times starting Pat and Allen together is just stupid but Giannis has not played well either

Ya Im a fan of both guys, but I had to double take when they said they were both starting today. Really makes no sense to start both guys.

Post #99 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:35 am

For the few people that still find it crazy to include Tatum into the MVP discussion, ya not the hill to die on. Is he on the same tier as Jokic and Giannis as individual talents? Nope, no one is. Is he a legit MVP candidate this year? Without a doubt. True elite 2 way impact on one of the best teams in the league. I was higher on Tatum than most coming out of college (to be fair not saying I have this great eye for talent, 100% just off of bias from being a Duke guy), but even I didnt see him being this dominant on both ends. He is so freaking good.

kuclas · Post #100 » by **kuclas** » Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:31 am

The real question is why didn’t Jordan win 3 mvp in a row?

Jordan was already the best player in the league by the 1987 season.

Same with lebron after the 2007 season. He was the best player in the league for the next 12 seasons. Yes even the curry mvp years lebron was a class above.

What I’m saying is it’s really hard to win 3 mvp in a row. Something special has to happen. Triple double average at 25/10/10 won’t do it. Even with a 1 seed at 57-58 wins. Denver has to get to 65 wins. That won’t happen.

And Jokic is no Jordan or Lebron.

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