The case for Curry and Giannis in the All-Time Top 10

[Homer38]

Curry should be top 10 in my view.

Greatest shooter ever. Changed the game. 4 titles.

Giannis its too early. He only has one title.

Curry is in my top 12,but not top 10 yet...Just to know who you have among his players below Curry

Hakeem
Kobe
Bird
Shaq
Magic
LBJ
MJ
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Duncan

Because to be in the top 10,you need to be better that 2 of his players

[ProcessDoctor]

Curry, sure.

Giannis will probably get there, but right now he’s closer to the 20th spot than he is to 10th.

[dygaction]

It is going to be hard but both have a good shot. Most likely they will finish as the 2nd best PG and PF respectively but there are more than two centers in top 10.

[WarriorGM]

The case for Curry is very simple.

Name the greatest NBA team. The Warriors.
Who is the greatest player on that team? Curry.

One can go into other details but the above alone should be sufficient.

Any top ten list that does not have Curry on it will be a joke. It would be like making a list of the top 10 100 meter dash sprinters in history and not having Usain Bolt on it.

Now I'm not staying Curry is or is not top 10, but your reasoning isn't very good. Being the best player on the best team doesn't exactly make you a top 10 player of all time.

Because if that's the criteria then he isn't just top 10 he's the GOAT. I mean he was the best player on the best regular season team of all time after all

Here's the thing: that proposition should be taken very seriously and it is frankly amazing it hasn't been approached from that angle more. Which is an indication of how the discussion around Curry is weird and does not conform to the standard way others are talked about.

To me only two other players can claim to represent such outlier results: Russell and Jordan.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Curry should be top 10 in my view.

Greatest shooter ever. Changed the game. 4 titles.

Giannis its too early. He only has one title.

Curry is in my top 12,but not top 10 yet...Just to know who you have among his players below Curry

Hakeem
Kobe
Bird
Shaq
Magic
LBJ
MJ
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Duncan

Because to be in the top 10,you need to be better that 2 of his players

I don't really see the case for Hakeem above Curry. 2 more titles, one more MVP.

I put Curry over Wilt too.

[KGtabake]

The case for Curry is very simple.

Name the greatest NBA team. The Warriors.
Who is the greatest player on that team? Curry.

Good try, but Durant won the MVP finals, he was the best player on the team, so you lost your point.

Good try, though.

And Iguodala won the Finals MVP in '15, so he was the best player on the team... right??
Yeah, no.

[dhsilv2]

Certainly West and Curry play(ed) the same position, whatever it is.

And Larry Bird can reasonably be viewed as a PF. More specifically:
-- In his absolute prime Bird was a combo forward who defensively was SF more than PF.
-- When his health slipped a bit defensively he was more PF than SF.
-- His offensive game was viewed more as SF then but would be more PF today.

Celtics put McHale on smaller wings and put bird on bigger guys because he lacked the footspeed. If anything Bird played the 4 on defense almost exclusively for that era's definition of 4...which was really just a shorter center with teams playing a two center offense with one better at shooting if you were lucky.

Agreed, for the most part. But as noted, it changed over time. E.g., in the years between Robey and Walton, McHale played a lot of backup center.

No disagreement here, but it kinda takes us back to how fluid "position" is.

[dhsilv2]

The case for Curry is very simple.

Name the greatest NBA team. The Warriors.
Who is the greatest player on that team? Curry.

Good try, but Durant won the MVP finals, he was the best player on the team, so you lost your point.

Good try, though.

And Iguodala won the Finals MVP in '15, so he was the best player on the team... right??
Yeah, no.

I can't wait to debate Cedric Maxwell vs Bird or Worthy vs Magic or Parker vs Duncan....mind blowing people still talk finals MVPs.

[shotsquatch]

Point Guard:
Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Isaiah Thomas, Steve Nash, Steph Curry.

Shooting Guard:
Jerry West, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, James Harden.

Small Forward:
John Havlicek, Larry Bird, Julius Erwing, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Luka Doncic.

Power Forward:
Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Center:
Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'neale, Nikola Jokic.

Point Guard:
Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Isaiah Thomas, Steve Nash, Steph Curry.

Shooting Guard:
Jerry West, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, James Harden.

Small Forward:
John Havlicek, Larry Bird, Julius Erwing, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Luka Doncic.

Power Forward:
Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Center:
Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'neale, Nikola Jokic.

[jasonxxx102]

Curry should be top 10 in my view.

Greatest shooter ever. Changed the game. 4 titles.

Giannis its too early. He only has one title.

Curry is in my top 12,but not top 10 yet...Just to know who you have among his players below Curry

Hakeem
Kobe
Bird
Shaq
Magic
LBJ
MJ
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Duncan

Because to be in the top 10,you need to be better that 2 of his players

I have curry over Kobe easily and a couple other guys are debatable (Hakeem, Wilt)

I know the old heads are gonna be all mad I even mentioned Curry and Wilt together but for as dominant as Wilt was he’s only got 2 titles and 1 FMVP.

[Duke4life831]

The case for Curry is very simple.

Name the greatest NBA team. The Warriors.
Who is the greatest player on that team? Curry.

One can go into other details but the above alone should be sufficient.

Any top ten list that does not have Curry on it will be a joke. It would be like making a list of the top 10 100 meter dash sprinters in history and not having Usain Bolt on it.

What? You literally just named two things that are extremely debatable.

I assume when you say the greatest NBA team, youre talking about the 2017 and 2018 Warrior teams. First of all that is extremely debatable if that is the greatest team. Second of all, people still debate who was the best player on those teams. KD is the one that won back 2 back FMVP on those teams.

[WarriorGM]

The case for Curry is very simple.

Name the greatest NBA team. The Warriors.
Who is the greatest player on that team? Curry.

One can go into other details but the above alone should be sufficient.

Any top ten list that does not have Curry on it will be a joke. It would be like making a list of the top 10 100 meter dash sprinters in history and not having Usain Bolt on it.

What? You literally just named two things that are extremely debatable.

I assume when you say the greatest NBA team, youre talking about the 2017 and 2018 Warrior teams. First of all that is extremely debatable if that is the greatest team. Second of all, people still debate who was the best player on those teams. KD is the one that won back 2 back FMVP on those teams.

Everything is debatable. But the preponderence of facts lineup behind Curry. FMVPs? How are those determined again? They give one out every year. On the other hand those records you have to seize them and there are less than ten of them.

After KD left in 2019 and three new superteams were formed in the Nets, Clippers and Lakers were you one of those people discounting Curry's chances of winning again because he wasn't given the 2017 and 2018 FMVPs? Then you should have learned since that some things are more important and indicative of future success than others. FMVPs are low on the list.

[tonyreyes123]

Curry bumped Kobe out and I think Giannis will end up having a better career than Hakeem so he’ll also get bumped

[Phystic]

The case for Curry is very simple.

Name the greatest NBA team. The Warriors.
Who is the greatest player on that team? Curry.

One can go into other details but the above alone should be sufficient.

Any top ten list that does not have Curry on it will be a joke. It would be like making a list of the top 10 100 meter dash sprinters in history and not having Usain Bolt on it.

Now I'm not staying Curry is or is not top 10, but your reasoning isn't very good. Being the best player on the best team doesn't exactly make you a top 10 player of all time.

Because if that's the criteria then he isn't just top 10 he's the GOAT. I mean he was the best player on the best regular season team of all time after all

Here's the thing: that proposition should be taken very seriously and it is frankly amazing it hasn't been approached from that angle more. Which is an indication of how the discussion around Curry is weird and does not conform to the standard way others are talked about.

To me only two other players can claim to represent such outlier results: Russell and Jordan.

You mean the biggest winner in professional sports and arguably the greatest basketball player and most notable name in sports history? Neither of those players are listed in the top ten because they were the best player on their respective teams.

Again, it's not reasonable to use that as criteria. And like I said, I don't really mind people putting curry in the top ten or even leaving him out. I think there's an argument for both. Just don't agree that your reasoning is valid.

[Phystic]

For those saying giannis does not deserve to be in this combo. Outside of rings(which I understand is a big part) what's different between he and curry? Both have been consistently dominant on individual levels, both have individual accolades.

Or is it simply due to rings and # of years of contending/winning?

[Dutchball97]

This method would see me replace Wilt, Shaq and Hakeem with West, Kobe and KG. Curry is still behind West and Oscar at PG imo and Giannis is maybe the 7th best PF at this stage of his career.

[Raps in 4]

Curry is a lock for top-10 all-time, with an argument for top-5. Giannis likely needs another ring or two before he enters the discussion.

[Raps in 4]

Curry should be top 10 in my view.

Greatest shooter ever. Changed the game. 4 titles.

Giannis its too early. He only has one title.

Curry is in my top 12,but not top 10 yet...Just to know who you have among his players below Curry

Hakeem
Kobe
Bird
Shaq
Magic
LBJ
MJ
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Duncan

Because to be in the top 10,you need to be better that 2 of his players

He has an argument over everyone on that list other than MJ and Lebron. He has the titles (both with and without the help of another all-time great). He has the personal accolades (multiple MVPs, greatest 3-point shooter of all time). He has the impact on the game (every team tries to play like the Warriors now). He's a bona fide top-10 all-time player. It's just that there are more than 10 players in the same tier right now.

This is why a tier list would be better for organizing all-time greats than a ranked list.

[WarriorGM]

Now I'm not staying Curry is or is not top 10, but your reasoning isn't very good. Being the best player on the best team doesn't exactly make you a top 10 player of all time.

Because if that's the criteria then he isn't just top 10 he's the GOAT. I mean he was the best player on the best regular season team of all time after all

Here's the thing: that proposition should be taken very seriously and it is frankly amazing it hasn't been approached from that angle more. Which is an indication of how the discussion around Curry is weird and does not conform to the standard way others are talked about.

To me only two other players can claim to represent such outlier results: Russell and Jordan.

You mean the biggest winner in professional sports and arguably the greatest basketball player and most notable name in sports history? Neither of those players are listed in the top ten because they were the best player on their respective teams.

Again, it's not reasonable to use that as criteria. And like I said, I don't really mind people putting curry in the top ten or even leaving him out. I think there's an argument for both. Just don't agree that your reasoning is valid.

Are you saying they weren't the best player on their respective teams? What made them the biggest winner and the greatest and most notable name? You seem to be engaging in circular reasoning.

It is perfectly reasonable criteria. With Curry you get results that are without precedent. Many combinations of players have been tried but they don't have the record. As I said I think only Russell and Jordan can claim to have done something along winning lines that is arguably superior.

[WarriorGM]

This method would see me replace Wilt, Shaq and Hakeem with West, Kobe and KG. Curry is still behind West and Oscar at PG imo and Giannis is maybe the 7th best PF at this stage of his career.

You guys over on the comparison board keep saying this but provide zilch in the form of reasoning. Behind West and Oscar? Why? As far as I can see they don't even have a semblance of an argument.