Shams:3-Team Deal, Bucks Get Crowder, Indiana get Nwora, Nets get 5 2nds and Ibaka

[celticfan42487]

Haha the Bucks traded four 2nds back in 2019 for Mirotic. Now that they have 2nds again they promptly trade five of them.

Who cares? They are in win now mode. Crowder fills a big hole.

Is Crowder the 6th man now for the team?

Or does he slide in at SF and Middleton slide down to SG in the starting lineup?

I think he's a great pickup, Crowder at PF has worked for a long time next to bigs like Ayton and Bam or what have you. So he'll do more than fine defensively at PF next to Giannis or Lopez.

I don't care about seconds, I merely laughed because why in the world did I just see an NBA trade with 5 second rounders happen lol. I'm not even sure if back in the day in 2K they'd let me do that. It's just the novelty it's not suddenly thinking 2nd rounds are more than meaningless.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Shams is destroying WOJ

He kisses ass and does PR for teams/players to get access. Woj does actual journalism and makes criticisms, so they hatin

Good one.

not saying he does a good job, just that he actually reports and gives his opinion. Shams just reports. He’s afraid to say anything negative and lose any access.

[John Murdoch]

Nice haul nets...jessy buss doin birdman hands thinking of all the Austin Reaves and Christies he coulda drafted with 5nds

[Phreak50]

Never understood the love for Crowder.

The guy is a decent defender sure but nothing more than decent.

His three point shot will swish one time and hit the side of the backboard on the next time.

Yet somehow he convinced people who was valuable.

[H2tObes]

Never understood the love for Crowder.

The guy is a decent defender sure but nothing more than decent.

His three point shot will swish one time and hit the side of the backboard on the next time.

Yet somehow he convinced people who was valuable.

Yes, the guy who has been a playoff rotation staple for the last 10 years fooled people into thinking he was valuable. Lol

[H2tObes]

Jevon Carter isn’t going to play heavy minutes in the playoffs because he’s too much of a negative offensively. Also he’s tiny and against a team like the Celtics that loves nothing more than going mismatch hunting with Jayson Tatum he’s a liability.

Jrue is legitimately an elite perimeter defender, but he’s much better guarding up against larger 2s and wings than he is chasing around small guards. It’s just kind of a waste of his skillset.

Jevon is shooting 49% on wide open 3s this season. He'd be fine for the 10-12 minutes for the few matchups he'd be needed. But the Bucks also have Wes Matthews on the roster to chase guards over screens into Giannis and Lopez.

Also they wouldn't need Carter against the Celtics.

I think they’re screwed against the Celtics honestly. Crowder is just yet another incredibly inconsistent shooter that the Celtics can completely ignore to triple or quadruple team Giannis just like they did last year.

Sounds like a post from someone who forgot the Bucks were missing Middleton last year. We’ll see how screwed the Bucks are…

[xBulletproof]

As a Pacers fan, this has been the weirdest reported deal ever. We got partial details, Pacers still have too many players on the roster and nothing. It just all feels very incomplete.

Connected to the Pacers making another 2 for 1 deal, or releasing more players? What is happening?

[xBulletproof]

As a Pacers fan, this has been the weirdest reported deal ever. We got partial details, Pacers still have too many players on the roster and nothing. It just all feels very incomplete.

Connected to the Pacers making another 2 for 1 deal, or releasing more players? What is happening?

Hey finally some kind of news. I'm good with this, don't even know why he was on an NBA roster, despite some Pacers fans liking him. Totally didn't get it.

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[LUKE23]

A few things:

1. At first glance, 5 seconds seems like a lot, but when you consider the fact these are all going to be mid 50's picks and then look who has been drafted at those spots historically, it puts things into perspective.

2. Nwora is a negative asset. He tanked every single lineup he was in on the Bucks due to his horrendous defense and shot selection. He's a legit awful player.

3. This completes the main "need" for Milwaukee, a switchable wing that is meant more to guard 3/4. Who is going to score against a Carter/Jrue/Wes/Crowder/Giannis lineup? This playoff run will come down to health and people making career norms from 3 for the Bucks. If they had Middleton they likely would have won it last year, they are essentially adding Middleton, Ingles, and Crowder to last years playoff rotation.

[old skool]

I actually hate this trade for the Bucks. Their biggest weakness is unreliable shooting in the playoffs and putting Jae Crowder in the rotation just makes that issue even worse.

Also defensively they’re already solid against big wings, they need someone who can guard smaller perimeter players and Crowder doesn’t help with that either.

Feels like the Bucks just went after the first veteran playoff player they could find instead of trying to get a guy which actually compliments the team and addresses some of their glaring issues. This trade ain’t it.

2nd round picks are not going to help Milwaukee win in the playoffs this year. And they are highly unlikely to help them win in the future. They are focused on the playoffs, not the regular season.

Milwaukee won't be relying on Crowder to score in the playoffs. Most of their playoff offensive possessions will feature Giannis, Middleton and Holiday as scorers, with the occasional play for Lopez . When role playing defenders like Connaughton, Matthews and Crowder are on the court they will hardly ever be relied on for scoring but will play be relied on 100% of defensive possessions to take the burden off of the Bucks scoring stars. Lessening the defensive burden on Giannis, Middleton and Holiday will leave them fresher on the offensive end.

Conversely, adding a good scorer who cannot defend bigger wings adds a redundancy that doesn't help the overall effort. Portis and Allen are capable of scoring and provide outside shooting, but they will likely be on the bench at key times in the playoffs in favor of players who can defend.

Who would Milwaukee be able to acquire for the playoffs that would be better 3-point shooters than the following (with their most recent playoff 3FGA% noted)? :

Connaughton - 40%
Allen - 40%
Ingles - 41%
Matthews - 40%
Carter - 43%

Crowder is a defensive addition. It is not about scoring. And 2nd round picks do nothing to improve the team.

[BigDan245]

Milwaukee's gonna be a helluva out if they stay healthy..Jesus them and Boston are absolutely loaded.

[xBulletproof]

2. Nwora is a negative asset. He tanked every single lineup he was in on the Bucks due to his horrendous defense and shot selection. He's a legit awful player.

Well hell, he fits right in here in Indiana, we don't care about defense anyway.

**EDIT**

1. At first glance, 5 seconds seems like a lot, but when you consider the fact these are all going to be mid 50's picks and then look who has been drafted at those spots historically, it puts things into perspective.

Also, most people don't really do that homework to understand. Outside the top 5 in the NBA draft you have a pretty slim to none chance at finding a difference maker. I mean, it's great when it happens, but statistically it is extremely rare. In the 2nd rounds with 5 picks you're likely to find 1 player worth being in a rotation, so yeah, probably a fair deal.

[LUKE23]

I actually hate this trade for the Bucks. Their biggest weakness is unreliable shooting in the playoffs and putting Jae Crowder in the rotation just makes that issue even worse.

Also defensively they’re already solid against big wings, they need someone who can guard smaller perimeter players and Crowder doesn’t help with that either.

Feels like the Bucks just went after the first veteran playoff player they could find instead of trying to get a guy which actually compliments the team and addresses some of their glaring issues. This trade ain’t it.

Carter is a stud on-ball defender against 1's. I do agree he's not an initiator on offense but he can shoot. He's playable in the playoffs.

[jimmybones]

Imagine thinking a team like the Bucks gives a single **** about second round picks. They have no value to us (plus they're available to buy every year), and we added a playoff rotation piece (even if only 7th-8th man) while giving up nothing that would help a title run this year.

[ReddoverKobe]

A few things:

1. At first glance, 5 seconds seems like a lot, but when you consider the fact these are all going to be mid 50's picks and then look who has been drafted at those spots historically, it puts things into perspective.

2. Nwora is a negative asset. He tanked every single lineup he was in on the Bucks due to his horrendous defense and shot selection. He's a legit awful player.

3. This completes the main "need" for Milwaukee, a switchable wing that is meant more to guard 3/4. Who is going to score against a Carter/Jrue/Wes/Crowder/Giannis lineup? This playoff run will come down to health and people making career norms from 3 for the Bucks. If they had Middleton they likely would have won it last year, they are essentially adding Middleton, Ingles, and Crowder to last years playoff rotation.

More like Jrue, Middelton, Crowder, Giannis and then you have options now. Lopez or Bobby for Bigs, Carter for smaller guards or Wes for wings. It really was an important piece.

You can also tell who has watched a bucks game because the Nwora point cant be understated, he is terrible.

[Sharcm1]

Honestly nets fans don’t care about this deal much. The nets now have five other players who play the same position anyway lol. Yeah gets some draft picks why not

[greekbuck34]

The most Raptors thing to say lately.

"lol you could just wait for the off-season dude.."

We actually have expectations....like right now!

We can match up with anybody defensively. We can play two big towers with Giannis and Lopez at the rim or our usual championship caliber small ball Giannis lineups with Crowder at the 4.

[The-Power]

Not sure why people seem to dislike it for the Bucks. Crowder is a proven player with playoff experience who provides depth at the Forward position which the Bucks need. Anytime a contender can acquire a player who projects to play 20+ MPG in the playoffs, it's something to seriously consider and if you lose nothing value then it's an absolute no-brainer.

[Matches Malone]

Reading some of these responses just reaffirms how people overvalue draft picks... especially late 2nds. I mean c'mon, you're not drafting a ton of talent in that range. 5 late seconds is pocket lint in today's NBA.

[alphatron10]

Dumb question, but I've seen it reported that the 2023 2nd Round Pick is either the Bucks own, or the worse of Cleveland and Golden State's, so does anyone know which one it actually is?