Jonathan Kuminga

[jaymo123]

The one thing I do not like about Kerr is his lack of patience. Kuminga, like Wiseman, should have been learning while playing, not DNP's. Because of Wiggins being out, Kerr has been forced to play Kuminga more. Because of this, Kuminga has been able to learn and grow.

As for Moody, he is stuck behind Steph, Klay, Poole, Divincenzo, and Kuminga because he guards 1-4. With Payton back, when is he going to get an opportunity?

[Optms]

The one thing I do not like about Kerr is his lack of patience. Kuminga, like Wiseman, should have been learning while playing, not DNP's. Because of Wiggins being out, Kerr has been forced to play Kuminga more. Because of this, Kuminga has been able to learn and grow.

As for Moody, he is stuck behind Steph, Klay, Poole, Divincenzo, and Kuminga because he guards 1-4. With Payton back, when is he going to get an opportunity?

Not any time soon. And even in the limited minutes he's getting, they don't showcase him at all. His job is to run around and stand in a corner. Waste of a lottery pick. There really is no telling how good Moody could be because we simply don't see him enough.

[michaelm]

Lol at the pearl-clutching over "the nickname", even from a mod.

Loosen up people. It can be read as a naughty double entendre that some people find funny and some don't, so what? What is the actual harm here?

Community standards shouldn't always be determined by the most prudish and hyper-sensitive amongst us.

What exactly is the double entendre? There’s really only one way to read it. Might be the dumbest nickname anyone has ever come up with. Genuinely feels like the online community has devolved back to middle school.

Sure. It isn't offensive to me, although it would be tough for he himself to be stuck with it for a long career, but it is lame/stupid as you say. if he becomes a major player they won't be calling him that in the general media I would guess. I preferred Kumungus myself.

[Blame Rasho]

People think that players are supposed good the moment they get on a court. He is what, 20?

Give him enough time to get out of his rookie contract.

How many posters here were good in their jobs at 20.

It isn’t like he is Zaire Smith out there.

[shoresy69]

What’s the world coming to these days? I mean come on. I come on this board because I love basketball, and sports are supposed to be fun.


Jokes aside, I really don’t get why some find the nickname this offensive.
It’s vulgar, and I’m sure Kuminga isn’t a fan , but I don’t see how it’s crossing some boundary
Maybe I’m missing something, but it’s not homophobic or hate speak in any shape or form imo. It’s also not this personal insult to him. It’s just a pun on his name.

Idk if offensive is the right word. But…the nickname is literally something that is ejaculated into/on to. Just comes off as extremely disrespectful and immature. I also can’t imagine someone using the nickname in person. Like how do they think people are going to react to hearing that?

Edit - wait, are you saying you wouldn’t take it as a personal insult if a stranger called you a *** bucket?

[FeatheryTouch]

It’s a different world now. I took training class on what I couldn’t say at work. Now I don’t say anything but strictly keep it about work or business.

Agreed, and there is certainly no place for blatantly misogynist or racist or homophobic stuff in the workplace or civil discussion, but the trend of catering community standards to the most-easily offended amongst us has been taken way too far (in too many cases to the point of absurdity) and is starting to provoke considerable backlash even amongst otherwise liberal and progressive-minded people.

The nickname in question also doesn't victimize any oppressed groups I know of, unless you maybe count pornstars.

I mean at this point the only offended person in this thread is you. Different people are triggered by different things.

I actually think I agree with your general take on the subject. I also think you're massively overreacting to this particular case and mischaracterizing what I said.

No one got in trouble for saying it. I didn't even say people couldn't say it. And I certainly didn't clutch my pearls. I only asked for folks to be cool and please make the personal decision to not say it. But if you feel the need to say *** Bucket for some reason ok fine lol.

If I put myself in Kuminga's shoes I don't think I'd love people calling me that on the internet. And for all we know there are 8 year old Kuminga fans and who are reading this thread and asking their mom what a *** Bucket is. We have a wide range of different people here and try to create an atmosphere where everyone is comfortable. So I was just asking for people's voluntary help on the matter. Seemed pretty innocuous to me.

My bad, the diatribe wasn't meant to be directed at you specifically. My concerns are more with some overall societal trends.

You are handling things fine, but the default should always be free speech unless something truly egregious is being said. Being raw, juvenile, or risque simply does not cross that threshold in most cases.

[floppymoose]

The one thing I do not like about Kerr is his lack of patience.

Name one player who Kerr was inpatient with who then thrived under a different coach.

[HMFFL]

He's producing some nice numbers as of late. I'd love to see it continue and be nightly.

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[SpreeChokeJob]

He's producing some nice numbers as of late. I'd love to see it continue and be nightly.

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It’s all about getting minutes. Once Wiggins comes back he’s not going to get the same minutes and the stat readers will say Frank Wagner is better.

[michaelm]

He's producing some nice numbers as of late. I'd love to see it continue and be nightly.

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It’s all about getting minutes. Once Wiggins comes back he’s not going to get the same minutes and the stat readers will say Frank Wagner is better.

He is big and strong, something they lack. If his defense is up to it as seems to be the case semi-permanently now he will get minutes, Draymond is old and carrying several niggling injuries, he could do with more rest. He and Curry being injured late season last season was a blessing in disguise, both were fresh for the play-offs.

[SpreeChokeJob]

He's producing some nice numbers as of late. I'd love to see it continue and be nightly.

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It’s all about getting minutes. Once Wiggins comes back he’s not going to get the same minutes and the stat readers will say Frank Wagner is better.

He is big and strong, something they lack. If his defense is up to it as seems to be the case semi-permanently now he will get minutes, Draymond is old and carrying several niggling injuries, he could do with more rest. He and Curry being injured late season last season was a blessing in disguise, both were fresh for the play-offs.

He will get minutes but won’t get the thirty minutes like last night and he will get less touches too with Curry back. Altogether I’m happy with that as a Warrior’s fan, I want to keep Curry’s minutes in the 28-33 range. But the whole point are the casuals will keep saying Cade and Franz are better, because JK is being brought up learning with the game time available for a team with championship aspirations.

[floppymoose]

He's producing some nice numbers as of late. I'd love to see it continue and be nightly.

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It’s all about getting minutes. Once Wiggins comes back he’s not going to get the same minutes and the stat readers will say Frank Wagner is better.

To be clear, I'm not dumping on Wagner. Wagner is good, and is better than Kuminga right now, I think. But I still expect Kuminga to have a strong chance of being the better pick.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

The one thing I do not like about Kerr is his lack of patience. Kuminga, like Wiseman, should have been learning while playing, not DNP's. Because of Wiggins being out, Kerr has been forced to play Kuminga more. Because of this, Kuminga has been able to learn and grow.

As for Moody, he is stuck behind Steph, Klay, Poole, Divincenzo, and Kuminga because he guards 1-4. With Payton back, when is he going to get an opportunity?

Not any time soon. And even in the limited minutes he's getting, they don't showcase him at all. His job is to run around and stand in a corner. Waste of a lottery pick. There really is no telling how good Moody could be because we simply don't see him enough.

Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody probably all should have been playing in the G-league. Expecting people with a year of college to be ready for the NBA seems wrong to me. I think beating up on inferior college player or inferior G-leage players creates a good foundation for playing in the NBA.

I think Kobe could have benefitted from a year of G-league. I think Moses Malone might have benefited from a year of G-league. LeBron may be the only player without 2 years of college that I don’t want to send to G-leage.

What is Moody’s specialty? Moody is not bad at anything other than team defense basketball IQ but he is not particularly good at anything. Moody must take a step forward next year or he will be out of the NBA and will need to play in the G-leage until he is particularly good at something before he can fight his way back into the NBA. Lamb and Jerome are better at what they do well than Moody is good at what he does well. I kind of like role players to have a role.

Kuminga drives well. Kuminga can stay in front of somebody on man to man defense. Other than that Kuminga is not particularly good at anything but Kuminga’s athleticism is impressive. Kuminga’s basketball IQ is not NBA quality yet. Kuminga’s 3 is OK for a young power forward with potential but bad for a young small forward with potential. I see Kuminga as a speed based power forward.

Kuminga should learn everything he can From Draymond about how to be a good defending smaller than average power forward. I don’t expect Kuminga to ever be able to run the offense like Draymond but I want Kuminga to become a poor man’s Draymond with a poor man’s LeBron drive.

[floppymoose]

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Monthly     G   Min     FGM  FGA  FG%     3PM 3PA 3P%
October     6   10:52   0.8  2.5  33.3    0.0 0.7 0.0
November    12  18:06   2.8  6.4  44.2    0.8 2.7 28.1
December    15  22:10   3.7  7.1  51.4    0.5 1.7 26.9
January     5   22:04   5.0  8.4  59.5    1.4 2.4 58.3
February    12  21:53   4.2  8.4  49.5    0.9 2.5 36.7
March       2   30:22   8.0 12.5  64.0    2.0 3.0 66.7

Yeah he has warmed up from the arc over the course of the season.

[michaelm]

It’s all about getting minutes. Once Wiggins comes back he’s not going to get the same minutes and the stat readers will say Frank Wagner is better.

He is big and strong, something they lack. If his defense is up to it as seems to be the case semi-permanently now he will get minutes, Draymond is old and carrying several niggling injuries, he could do with more rest. He and Curry being injured late season last season was a blessing in disguise, both were fresh for the play-offs.

He will get minutes but won’t get the thirty minutes like last night and he will get less touches too with Curry back. Altogether I’m happy with that as a Warrior’s fan, I want to keep Curry’s minutes in the 28-33 range. But the whole point are the casuals will keep saying Cade and Franz are better, because JK is being brought up learning with the game time available for a team with championship aspirations.

I am sure Wagner is good, but calling him as definitively better than Kuminga/certain to have a better career than Kuminga when Kuminga was 19 was nonsensical. He still might, but it is by no means certain.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

The one thing I do not like about Kerr is his lack of patience.

Name one player who Kerr was inpatient with who then thrived under a different coach.

I think Wiseman will be the first. But that is not fair. Wiseman’s poor defensive IQ would have not been as much of a problem if he was not playing with Kuminga Moody and Poole. Donte and JMG and Lamb and Jerome had not yet learned the system. I think Kerr might have made a mistake when he played an inexperienced bench unit last fall. In December putting Draymond and Wiggins with the bench fixed the bench.

Wiseman probably should have started. Looney and Kuminga then could have been with the starters when Draymond and Wiggins were not with the starters to enable them to play with the bench.

3 units
Wiseman Draymond Wiggins Klay and Curry.
Looney Kuminga Klay Poole Curry
JM Green, Draymond, Wiggins Poole and Divincenzo

Lamb replaces Kuminga, JM Green, and Klay’s small forward minutes when they are playing bad games.
Jerome replaces Poole when Poole is playing a bad game.

Wiseman will be good but Warriors are in Win now, Kuminga and Wiseman and Poole should not have been on the floor together, and The Warriors wanted to dump salary and Wiseman had the only high salary that was not needed for the 2023 playoff run. A more experienced center can replace Wiseman at a lower cost without weakening the team in the short term.

Dumping Wiseman was just a money move but will break the rule that nody Kerr does not play goes on to have success elsewhere rule.

[SpreeChokeJob]

He's producing some nice numbers as of late. I'd love to see it continue and be nightly.

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It’s all about getting minutes. Once Wiggins comes back he’s not going to get the same minutes and the stat readers will say Frank Wagner is better.

To be clear, I'm not dumping on Wagner. Wagner is good, and is better than Kuminga right now, I think. But I still expect Kuminga to have a strong chance of being the better pick.

I’m not saying Wagner is bad either, but statheads are looking at spreadsheets or stats because that’s all they are good for and declaring Wagner has percentage chance being better based off their data is borderline idiotic. They should be ashamed if they charge anyone for that kind of analysis. The only thing Kuminga lacked was skills and situational experience and both can be accumulated over time. He’s at the right place right time when the vets are finishing their prime and have a lot to pass on. And he is a willing learner unlike someone else I won’t name.

[michaelm]

The one thing I do not like about Kerr is his lack of patience.

Name one player who Kerr was inpatient with who then thrived under a different coach.

I think Wiseman will be the first. But that is not fair. Wiseman’s poor defensive IQ would have not been as much of a problem if he was not playing with Kuminga Moody and Poole. Donte and JMG and Lamb and Jerome had not yet learned the system. I think Kerr might have made a mistake when he played an inexperienced bench unit last fall. In December putting Draymond and Wiggins with the bench fixed the bench.

Wiseman probably should have started. Looney and Kuminga then could have been with the starters when Draymond and Wiggins were not with the starters to enable them to play with the bench.

3 units
Wiseman Draymond Wiggins Klay and Curry.
Looney Kuminga Klay Poole Curry
JM Green, Draymond, Wiggins Poole and Divincenzo

Lamb replaces Kuminga, JM Green, and Klay’s small forward minutes when they are playing bad games.
Jerome replaces Poole when Poole is playing a bad game.

Wiseman will be good but Warriors are in Win now, Kuminga and Wiseman and Poole should not have been on the floor together, and The Warriors wanted to dump salary and Wiseman had the only high salary that was not needed for the 2023 playoff run. A more experienced center can replace Wiseman at a lower cost without weakening the team in the short term.

Dumping Wiseman was just a money move but will break the rule that nody Kerr does not play goes on to have success elsewhere rule.

I was a Wiseman partisan and also still think he has a chance of being good, but he was unplayable as he was for a team with any aspirations to contend.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Name one player who Kerr was inpatient with who then thrived under a different coach.

I think Wiseman will be the first. But that is not fair. Wiseman’s poor defensive IQ would have not been as much of a problem if he was not playing with Kuminga Moody and Poole. Donte and JMG and Lamb and Jerome had not yet learned the system. I think Kerr might have made a mistake when he played an inexperienced bench unit last fall. In December putting Draymond and Wiggins with the bench fixed the bench.

Wiseman probably should have started. Looney and Kuminga then could have been with the starters when Draymond and Wiggins were not with the starters to enable them to play with the bench.

3 units
Wiseman Draymond Wiggins Klay and Curry.
Looney Kuminga Klay Poole Curry
JM Green, Draymond, Wiggins Poole and Divincenzo

Lamb replaces Kuminga, JM Green, and Klay’s small forward minutes when they are playing bad games.
Jerome replaces Poole when Poole is playing a bad game.

Wiseman will be good but Warriors are in Win now, Kuminga and Wiseman and Poole should not have been on the floor together, and The Warriors wanted to dump salary and Wiseman had the only high salary that was not needed for the 2023 playoff run. A more experienced center can replace Wiseman at a lower cost without weakening the team in the short term.

Dumping Wiseman was just a money move but will break the rule that nody Kerr does not play goes on to have success elsewhere rule.

I was a Wiseman partisan and still also think he has a chance of being good, but he was unplayable as he was for a team with any aspirations to contend.

If money was not an issue and we will not be signing Noel I think I might still prefer to have Wiseman sitting on our bench than any avaible centers we can sign.

If Opposing big men are pounding Looney and Draymond and getting them into foul trouble i would feel more comfortable if Wiseman was sitting on our bench. I don’t think JMG can block shots or box out Jokic. I might rather play Wiseman than JMG in the playoffs in a situation when we need a real center despite not trusting Wiseman’s brain or his heart.

I want a real center and I can’t find any that I prefer to Wiseman now that Noel has been signed by the Nets.
If we sign a garbage center we still need Lamb as a big. To have Lamb plus a garbage center we must cut Moody or Igudala or Rollins.
Moody has no use if we have Lamb because Lamb is better than Moody. Iguodala has no use if he is injured.

Some garbage center sitting on the bench might dissuade teams from thinking that they can get into our soft underbelly by trying to get Draymond and Loney into foul trouble. I don’t want to put Draymond or JaMychal Green or Lamb or Kuminga into a situation where they are supposed to box out Jokic or Steven Adams.

We used a box and one on Norman Powell 2 games ago because we did not think that any of our guards could stay in front of Norman Powell. Noman Powell torched us in the previous game vs the Clippers. I would not be so scared of guys like Norman Powell if we had a shot blocking center waiting for Powell in the paint.

But what are we supposed to do; buy Dwight Howard from his Taiwanese team? Cousins would be OK for the boxing out job but not OK for the shat blocking job. There is probably an inexperienced G-leaguer that can box out and block shots but he won’t understand the team defense as well as Wiseman even though understanding team defense is what Wiseman was worst at.

Lack of a back up center may cost us the championship. I wish we had Bjelica back. Can we get Bjelica back?
I don’t trust JMG and Kuminga to replace Looney if Looney gets into foul trouble. I don’t want Draymond to have to deal with big centers. I trust Lamb more than Kuminga and JMG but Lamb is small.

[floppymoose]

GS might worry about dealing with big centers, but big centers are going to have to deal with Curry. Remember the Denver series?